Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[Davell]

To eventually make a large salaried trade within the next 2 years, unless you move Otto, you've got to sign a couple guys inn the 10 mill a year range most likely.

[HomoSapien]

Nah, I wish that's how it works. We need to match salary. Really hard now with Jabari gone and ROLO expiring.

That CAP space is what we can sign in FA.

This is wrong. If you are under the cap, you do not have to match salary, as long as you end the trade also under the cap. If we have $17m in space and Jrue is $25m, we only have to send $8m out in the trade.

Thats my point, with what you are proposing we are OVER the cap, so no go.

ie Jrue (25 mil) for Felicio (8 mil), does not work. We have to add more salary, close to 15 mil for it to work. Jrue 25 mil puts us over the cap.

Okay, I started doubting myself after your previous post thinking I had misunderstood the rules, but I think you've got this all wrong. Once Lopez and the rest of our upcoming free-agents come off the books, we have $81 mill in committed salary. The salary cap is set at $101 mill (projected to be $109 mill next season). That means we would really have no problem absorbing Holiday's contract, especially if we include the outgoing salary of Kris Dunn and Denzel Valentine (approximately $8.6m). You only have to match salaries if you're over the salary cap. If you're under it, like we are, you're able to absorb salary.

According to this (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2019/) we have $23.8 in practical cap space this summer (it's probably less because there is an Otto Porter trade kicker that we don't have the numbers for yet).

[dumbell78]

This is wrong. If you are under the cap, you do not have to match salary, as long as you end the trade also under the cap. If we have $17m in space and Jrue is $25m, we only have to send $8m out in the trade.

Thats my point, with what you are proposing we are OVER the cap, so no go.

ie Jrue (25 mil) for Felicio (8 mil), does not work. We have to add more salary, close to 15 mil for it to work. Jrue 25 mil puts us over the cap.

Okay, I started doubting myself after your previous post thinking I had misunderstood the rules, but I think you've got this all wrong. Once Lopez and the rest of our upcoming free-agents come off the books, we have $81 mill in committed salary. The salary cap is set at $101 mill (projected to be $109 mill next season). That means we would really have no problem absorbing Holiday's contract, especially if we include the outgoing salary of Kris Dunn and Denzel Valentine (approximately $8.6m). You only have to match salaries if you're over the salary cap. If you're under it, like we are, you're able to absorb salary.

According to this (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2019/) we have $23.8 in practical cap space this summer (it's probably less because there is an Otto Porter trade kicker that we don't have the numbers for yet).

I'm pretty sure that's not enough, you need to add even more salary, ie WCJ+Val+Dunn+Felicio if you want Jrue. Adding Jrue puts you over CAP if you are including CAP holds. I will try the NBA trade machine and report back.

[HomoSapien]

Thats my point, with what you are proposing we are OVER the cap, so no go.

ie Jrue (25 mil) for Felicio (8 mil), does not work. We have to add more salary, close to 15 mil for it to work. Jrue 25 mil puts us over the cap.

Okay, I started doubting myself after your previous post thinking I had misunderstood the rules, but I think you've got this all wrong. Once Lopez and the rest of our upcoming free-agents come off the books, we have $81 mill in committed salary. The salary cap is set at $101 mill (projected to be $109 mill next season). That means we would really have no problem absorbing Holiday's contract, especially if we include the outgoing salary of Kris Dunn and Denzel Valentine (approximately $8.6m). You only have to match salaries if you're over the salary cap. If you're under it, like we are, you're able to absorb salary.

According to this (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2019/) we have $23.8 in practical cap space this summer (it's probably less because there is an Otto Porter trade kicker that we don't have the numbers for yet).

I'm pretty sure that's not enough, you need to add even more salary, ie WCJ+Val+Dunn+Felicio if you want Jrue. Adding Jrue puts you over if you are including CAP holds. I will try the NBA trade machine and report back.

But if we want Jrue we'd renounce those cap holds to make it work. Lopez, Selden, and TLC's cap holds aren't going to stop us from acquiring him. Besides, we could agree to a deal on draft night and formalize it later in the off-season. That's been done before.

Trade Checker isn't going to be accurate since the salary cap is going to go up $8 mill.

[dumbell78]

Okay, I started doubting myself after your previous post thinking I had misunderstood the rules, but I think you've got this all wrong. Once Lopez and the rest of our upcoming free-agents come off the books, we have $81 mill in committed salary. The salary cap is set at $101 mill (projected to be $109 mill next season). That means we would really have no problem absorbing Holiday's contract, especially if we include the outgoing salary of Kris Dunn and Denzel Valentine (approximately $8.6m). You only have to match salaries if you're over the salary cap. If you're under it, like we are, you're able to absorb salary.

According to this (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2019/) we have $23.8 in practical cap space this summer (it's probably less because there is an Otto Porter trade kicker that we don't have the numbers for yet).

I'm pretty sure that's not enough, you need to add even more salary, ie WCJ+Val+Dunn+Felicio if you want Jrue. Adding Jrue puts you over if you are including CAP holds. I will try the NBA trade machine and report back.

But if we want Jrue we'd renounce those cap holds to make it work. Lopez, Selden, and TLC's cap holds aren't going to stop us from acquiring him. Besides, we could agree to a deal on draft night and formalize it later in the off-season. That's been done before.

Trade Checker isn't going to be accurate since the salary cap is going to go up $8 mill.

Hmm you may be right on the CAP rising 8 mil, I'm probably not accounting for that.

[HomoSapien]

I'm pretty sure that's not enough, you need to add even more salary, ie WCJ+Val+Dunn+Felicio if you want Jrue. Adding Jrue puts you over if you are including CAP holds. I will try the NBA trade machine and report back.

But if we want Jrue we'd renounce those cap holds to make it work. Lopez, Selden, and TLC's cap holds aren't going to stop us from acquiring him. Besides, we could agree to a deal on draft night and formalize it later in the off-season. That's been done before.

Trade Checker isn't going to be accurate since the salary cap is going to go up $8 mill.

Hmm you may be right on the CAP rising 8 mil, I'm probably not accounting for that.

One other thing that's misleading about the trade checker is that Payne, Melo, Michael Carter-Williams, Tyler Ullis, and Marshon Brooks are all currently taking up capspace because of cuts/buyouts.

[dumbell78]

But if we want Jrue we'd renounce those cap holds to make it work. Lopez, Selden, and TLC's cap holds aren't going to stop us from acquiring him. Besides, we could agree to a deal on draft night and formalize it later in the off-season. That's been done before.

Trade Checker isn't going to be accurate since the salary cap is going to go up $8 mill.

Hmm you may be right on the CAP rising 8 mil, I'm probably not accounting for that.

One other thing that's misleading about the trade checker is that Payne, Melo, Michael Carter-Williams, Tyler Ullis, and Marshon Brooks are all currently taking up capspace because of cuts/buyouts.

Yeah I wasnt really looking at those guys, I was looking at the CAP for this year and forgetting the 8 mil additonal for next.

[Ccwatercraft]

Hmm you may be right on the CAP rising 8 mil, I'm probably not accounting for that.

One other thing that's misleading about the trade checker is that Payne, Melo, Michael Carter-Williams, Tyler Ullis, and Marshon Brooks are all currently taking up capspace because of cuts/buyouts.

Yeah I wasnt really looking at those guys, I was looking at the CAP for this year and forgetting the 8 mil additonal for next.

Doubtful that NO would take that proposed deal but I'm curious as to the specific rules/flexibility we have for other possible trades that might come up in discussion.

[RedBulls23]

Let's say the Clippers get good source that they would be able to land 2 max free agents.

I wonder what amount of bad salary Bulls would have to take on to get Shai from them?

[ThreeMileAllan]

This is wrong. If you are under the cap, you do not have to match salary, as long as you end the trade also under the cap. If we have $17m in space and Jrue is $25m, we only have to send $8m out in the trade.

Thats my point, with what you are proposing we are OVER the cap, so no go.

ie Jrue (25 mil) for Felicio (8 mil), does not work. We have to add more salary, close to 15 mil for it to work. Jrue 25 mil puts us over the cap.

Okay, I started doubting myself after your previous post thinking I had misunderstood the rules, but I think you've got this all wrong. Once Lopez and the rest of our upcoming free-agents come off the books, we have $81 mill in committed salary. The salary cap is set at $101 mill (projected to be $109 mill next season). That means we would really have no problem absorbing Holiday's contract, especially if we include the outgoing salary of Kris Dunn and Denzel Valentine (approximately $8.6m). You only have to match salaries if you're over the salary cap. If you're under it, like we are, you're able to absorb salary.

According to this (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2019/) we have $23.8 in practical cap space this summer (it's probably less because there is an Otto Porter trade kicker that we don't have the numbers for yet).

I remember reading somewhere that Otto Porter waived the trade kicker increase. I forgot who said it but it was a big name

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[Dan Z]

Let's say the Clippers get good source that they would be able to land 2 max free agents.

I wonder what amount of bad salary Bulls would have to take on to get Shai from them?

I don't think they have any bad contracts. Maybe Gallinari? He's having a good year.

They're also high on Shai and I'm sure they'd be hesitant to trade him.

[NewEra21]

Let's say the Clippers get good source that they would be able to land 2 max free agents.

I wonder what amount of bad salary Bulls would have to take on to get Shai from them?

I don't think they have any bad contracts. Maybe Gallinari? He's having a good year.

They're also high on Shai and I'm sure they'd be hesitant to trade him.

They probably want to keep Shai, but I would be all for taking on Gallinari's contract for their 1st round pick, if/when it lands in the bottom of the lottery.

[StunnerKO]

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[Chi town]

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WOnt he be getting fined again for that???

Can’t talk about other teams when you are under contract.

[Nate3carp]

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WOnt he be getting fined again for that???

Can’t talk about other teams when you are under contract.

Even if not, seems really disrespectful to your current team/city/fans to be so open like this. I can’t remember another player that was in the media like this trying to leave their team. It’s pretty distasteful IMO. I hope this isn’t the norm in the future.

[gobullschi]

Chicago Receives:
Aaron Gordon
2019 1st (between #8-11)

Orlando Receives:
Kris Dunn
Cristiano Felicio
2019 1st (between #3-5)
2020 1st (top 7 protected)

Bulls draft Darius Garland and Darius Bazley.

Sign Ricky Rubio.

Darius Garland | Ricky Rubio | Zach LaVine
Zach LaVine | Chandler Hutchison | Antonio Blakeney
Otto Porter | Aaron Gordon | Denzel Valentine
Aaron Gordon | Lauri Markkanen | Darius Bazley
Lauri Markkanen | Wendell Carter Jr.

This was originally meant as a joke to get Aaron Gordon and Zach LaVine on the same team, but it seems like a decent fit if the Bulls were willing to have Wendell Carter come off the bench. It would be a big gamble but the roster would be filled with potential. Two phenomenal athletes surrounded by elite outside shooters. I'm not sure if the value is enough to get AG from Orlando though.

[Bulldog23]

I want to see Gary Harris with the Bulls..I think he would be a good fit next to Lavine if he becomes the primary ball handler in a line up. I like the shooting.

[WindyCityBorn]

Chicago Receives:
Aaron Gordon
2019 1st (between #8-11)

Orlando Receives:
Kris Dunn
Cristiano Felicio
2019 1st (between #3-5)
2020 1st (top 7 protected)

Bulls draft Darius Garland and Darius Bazley.

Sign Ricky Rubio.

Darius Garland | Ricky Rubio | Zach LaVine
Zach LaVine | Chandler Hutchison | Antonio Blakeney
Otto Porter | Aaron Gordon | Denzel Valentine
Aaron Gordon | Lauri Markkanen | Darius Bazley
Lauri Markkanen | Wendell Carter Jr.

This was originally meant as a joke to get Aaron Gordon and Zach LaVine on the same team, but it seems like a decent fit if the Bulls were willing to have Wendell Carter come off the bench. It would be a big gamble but the roster would be filled with potential. Two phenomenal athletes surrounded by elite outside shooters. I'm not sure if the value is enough to get AG from Orlando though.

It's still a joke. Carter is a much better fit next to Markkanen.

[gobullschi]

Chicago Receives:
Aaron Gordon
2019 1st (between #8-11)

Orlando Receives:
Kris Dunn
Cristiano Felicio
2019 1st (between #3-5)
2020 1st (top 7 protected)

Bulls draft Darius Garland and Darius Bazley.

Sign Ricky Rubio.

Darius Garland | Ricky Rubio | Zach LaVine
Zach LaVine | Chandler Hutchison | Antonio Blakeney
Otto Porter | Aaron Gordon | Denzel Valentine
Aaron Gordon | Lauri Markkanen | Darius Bazley
Lauri Markkanen | Wendell Carter Jr.

This was originally meant as a joke to get Aaron Gordon and Zach LaVine on the same team, but it seems like a decent fit if the Bulls were willing to have Wendell Carter come off the bench. It would be a big gamble but the roster would be filled with potential. Two phenomenal athletes surrounded by elite outside shooters. I'm not sure if the value is enough to get AG from Orlando though.

It's still a joke. Carter is a much better fit next to Markkanen.

Better fit but not the better player. Wendell Carter Jr. projects to pair well with Markkanen, but lets not pretend like this move prevents Wendell Carter from being on the floor for extended minutes with Markkanen. We know Aaron Gordon can also play some small forward, leaving Wendell Carter with plenty of minutes available. Could Aaron Gordon and Lauri Markkanen work though?

People have been saying for a while that this is a poor draft. There is Zion Williamson and then a big drop off. If the Bulls aren't very confident that either Cam Reddish, RJ Barrett, or Jarrett Culver are going to become an All Star level player, I think this is the type of deal you should explore if you are going to trade down. (Young player w/ potential + top 10 pick)

Plus, let's face it, the Bulls have failed to sign a Max Free Agent for years. Why should we have any faith that it will happen in the future? The next best option is to trade for a player who has enough potential to become one. Aaron Gordon is still only 23 years old and is one of the most gifted athletes in the entire NBA. His three point shooting percentage has gone up consistently for the past four years. I've heard nothing but good thing about his defense, despite average steals/blocks per game. If Darius Garland will be available with Orlando's pick, this would solve the Bulls vacancy at point guard AND this time develop a young point guard the correct way, with a seasoned veteran like Ricky Rubio.

It isn't a perfect fit but C'mon this team would be so much fun to watch!

[sco]

Chicago Receives:
Aaron Gordon
2019 1st (between #8-11)

Orlando Receives:
Kris Dunn
Cristiano Felicio
2019 1st (between #3-5)
2020 1st (top 7 protected)

Bulls draft Darius Garland and Darius Bazley.

Sign Ricky Rubio.

Darius Garland | Ricky Rubio | Zach LaVine
Zach LaVine | Chandler Hutchison | Antonio Blakeney
Otto Porter | Aaron Gordon | Denzel Valentine
Aaron Gordon | Lauri Markkanen | Darius Bazley
Lauri Markkanen | Wendell Carter Jr.

This was originally meant as a joke to get Aaron Gordon and Zach LaVine on the same team, but it seems like a decent fit if the Bulls were willing to have Wendell Carter come off the bench. It would be a big gamble but the roster would be filled with potential. Two phenomenal athletes surrounded by elite outside shooters. I'm not sure if the value is enough to get AG from Orlando though.

It's still a joke. Carter is a much better fit next to Markkanen.

Better fit but not the better player. Wendell Carter Jr. projects to pair well with Markkanen, but lets not pretend like this move prevents Wendell Carter from being on the floor for extended minutes with Markkanen. We know Aaron Gordon can also play some small forward, leaving Wendell Carter with plenty of minutes available. Could Aaron Gordon and Lauri Markkanen work though?

People have been saying for a while that this is a poor draft. There is Zion Williamson and then a big drop off. If the Bulls aren't very confident that either Cam Reddish, RJ Barrett, or Jarrett Culver are going to become an All Star level player, I think this is the type of deal you should explore if you are going to trade down. (Young player w/ potential + top 10 pick)

Plus, let's face it, the Bulls have failed to sign a Max Free Agent for years. Why should we have any faith that it will happen in the future? The next best option is to trade for a player who has enough potential to become one. Aaron Gordon is still only 23 years old and is one of the most gifted athletes in the entire NBA. His three point shooting percentage has gone up consistently for the past four years. I've heard nothing but good thing about his defense, despite average steals/blocks per game. If Darius Garland will be available with Orlando's pick, this would solve the Bulls vacancy at point guard AND this time develop a young point guard the correct way, with a seasoned veteran like Ricky Rubio.

It isn't a perfect fit but C'mon this team would be so much fun to watch!

No knock on Gordon, but giving up that much in assets to fill a hole we don't have or to bring in a guy who isn't a clear upgrade doesn't strike me as our best move. IMO we should just keep our picks and be optimistic that we draft someone even better than our already good guys. If I'm giving up Dunn and a 1st, I want to fill our gaping hole at the most important position - PG.