NBA Trade Thread #2

[erasmusmrr]

Zach for 3 1sts and 2 swap options...

[sco]

Zach for 3 1sts and 2 swap options...

Yeah, those picks are all likely to be in 20's, maybe one or two in teens if Giannis gets injured. I don't mind trading Zach if it brings back a likely #1 option for a contending team, but a bunch of Hutch's grow on trees.

[TheStig]

The Pelicans got 3 first-round picks + two pick swaps from the Bucks for Holiday, yet we somehow included a first-round pick in the Jimmy Butler trade. Let that sink in for a minute and appreciate how lucky we are to be free from the GarParx era.

Don't you remember the Garpax line at the time that we got 3 lotto picks in Dunn, Lavine and Lauri

[ChettheJet]

The deal I'm dumbfounded by is SAC MIL

Bogdanovic S&T and the Kings will receive Donte Divincenzo. Ersan Ilyasova, Justin James, and DJ Wilson in the trade.

That's just nothing for a solid scorer, just nothing. If the Bulls didn't at least make a call and make some kind of offer they were asleep and if SAC didn't try to get more than that that's GM malpractice. Expiring contact end of the bench guys and a backup SG?

[dougthonus]

Zach for 3 1sts and 2 swap options...

Yeah, those picks are all likely to be in 20's, maybe one or two in teens if Giannis gets injured. I don't mind trading Zach if it brings back a likely #1 option for a contending team, but a bunch of Hutch's grow on trees.

If Giannis doesn't take the supermax, those picks might all be in the lottery too. It's a gamble, but I would have packed Zack's bags to take it.

[dougthonus]

The deal I'm dumbfounded by is SAC MIL

Bogdanovic S&T and the Kings will receive Donte Divincenzo. Ersan Ilyasova, Justin James, and DJ Wilson in the trade.

That's just nothing for a solid scorer, just nothing. If the Bulls didn't at least make a call and make some kind of offer they were asleep and if SAC didn't try to get more than that that's GM malpractice. Expiring contact end of the bench guys and a backup SG?

The key is S&T.

That means the player has to want to go to the destination and has 100% control of the situation.

[erasmusmrr]

After this season Milwaukee could be bad. So any 2022 picks or after could be great.

[dougthonus]

If the Bucks win the NBA this trade will paid itself.I like that kind of move,a win now move.The Bulls don't have stars but should go for trades,we should try some trade getting players like Harden or Westbrook.We won't go anywhere with our current roster.Billy Donovan can't improve this group ,we need to find better players and nobody should be untouchable by now.

It's a high risk, high reward move for them. It would be interesting if they just canvased the NBA and said "we're willing to give up 3 1sts and 2 pick swaps, what will you give us" and if Jrue Holiday was whom they deemed the best option, because Jrue Holiday is only a good player, not a great one, and is past 30 now.

Also, Holiday is a UFA, potentially, as early as next year.

[aramada]

The Pelicans got 3 first-round picks + two pick swaps from the Bucks for Holiday, yet we somehow included a first-round pick in the Jimmy Butler trade. Let that sink in for a minute and appreciate how lucky we are to be free from the GarParx era.

This particular trade speaks more to Milwaukee’s desperation than its value compared to other trades. In a vacuum, Milwaukee gets murdered. If Giannis signs the Supermax after they sign Jrue and Bogdan, then it’s ok I guess, but still terrible value

If the Bucks win the NBA this trade will paid itself.I like that kind of move,a win now move.The Bulls don't have stars but should go for trades,we should try some trade getting players like Harden or Westbrook.We won't go anywhere with our current roster.Billy Donovan can't improve this group ,we need to find better players and nobody should be untouchable by now.

What are their odds of winning the title, though? Cap projections show that they'll only have the BAE or the Tax Payer MLE to add a non Vet Min player. So the roster is essentially 7 players + a bunch of Vet Mins.
If you compare their starting line-up to what's out there, they have a top 3 player, a legit All Star, and a fringe All Star + 2 good role players. Now looking at the East, the Nets are actively looking for a third superstar (which may be Harden), Philly hasn't made a move yet (they have 2 borderline superstars already), neither has Miami (1 superstar, 1 legit all star) or Boston.
Then they'd have to face the best among LAL (2 superstars), LAC (2 superstars), or GSW (2 superstars + #2 asset).

All in all, they have spent an awful lot to lock themselves into a roster with only one superstar and little depth. I really hope Giannis re-signs immediately because otherwise this is potentially a franchise wrecking trade

[dougthonus]

What are their odds of winning the title, though? Cap projections show that they'll only have the BAE or the Tax Payer MLE to add a non Vet Min player. So the roster is essentially 7 players + a bunch of Vet Mins.
If you compare their starting line-up to what's out there, they have a top 3 player, a legit All Star, and a fringe All Star + 2 good role players. Now looking at the East, the Nets are actively looking for a third superstar (which may be Harden), Philly hasn't made a move yet (they have 2 borderline superstars already), neither has Miami (1 superstar, 1 legit all star) or Boston.
Then they'd have to face the best among LAL (2 superstars), LAC (2 superstars), or GSW (2 superstars + #2 asset).

All in all, they have spent an awful lot to lock themselves into a roster with only one superstar and little depth. I really hope Giannis re-signs immediately because otherwise this is potentially a franchise wrecking trade

7 good players and vet min guys seems just fine if everyone is healthy. If you get 1-2 ring chasers at the vet min that are better than their ability, then they'll be okay talentwise. I'm more concerned with how good their top talent is.

[erasmusmrr]

This is also the last year for Jrue...Could be top picks very shortly. Nice to have assets, unlike the Bulls.

[dougthonus]

Will also say that it depends what protection is on those picks going to NO. Don't think that is reported yet, if they are all unprotected, this is a great deal for NO. It might not work out for them still, but the upside would be unbelievable. If there is protection on them (say top 4 on each) then its still probably a good deal, but no longer an elite deal.

No one is giving up unprotected picks these days, so I'd have to assume that isn't happening here either.

[Red8911]

Why in creation would we ever do something like that?

I know many of you guys don’t like Westbrook or his contract but he still would be by far the bulls best player if he were to come here. I’m all for bringing in talent, the guys on the bulls that are there now didn’t get the job done. I’m sure AK already knows that and he isn’t keeping this team the way it is.

I don’t mind whether it’s Westbrook or another move that makes this team better, they just have to figure it out and do it. Me and many fans do not want to watch another year of **** losing basketball.

Westbrook isn't going to do anything to help us win though. Not the type of winning we would want in terms of building up a team and pushing us to be a fun and pleasing offensive team that can surprise in the playoffs.

Maybe our definition of winning is different then. I believe someone like Westbrook will make the bulls a competitive team that makes the playoffs and most importantly build a winning culture again.

Not saying Westbrook would lead them to a championship. Him and Lavine though would form a deadly backcourt and shooters including Lauri would benefit a lot. As we all know Westbrook is all about stats so he will yell at guys if they don’t hit their shots to get his assists lol. Anyways, I know it’s most likely not going to happen, but again I think it would be a good idea.

[aramada]

What are their odds of winning the title, though? Cap projections show that they'll only have the BAE or the Tax Payer MLE to add a non Vet Min player. So the roster is essentially 7 players + a bunch of Vet Mins.
If you compare their starting line-up to what's out there, they have a top 3 player, a legit All Star, and a fringe All Star + 2 good role players. Now looking at the East, the Nets are actively looking for a third superstar (which may be Harden), Philly hasn't made a move yet (they have 2 borderline superstars already), neither has Miami (1 superstar, 1 legit all star) or Boston.
Then they'd have to face the best among LAL (2 superstars), LAC (2 superstars), or GSW (2 superstars + #2 asset).

All in all, they have spent an awful lot to lock themselves into a roster with only one superstar and little depth. I really hope Giannis re-signs immediately because otherwise this is potentially a franchise wrecking trade

7 good players and vet min guys seems just fine if everyone is healthy. If you get 1-2 ring chasers at the vet min that are better than their ability, then they'll be okay talentwise. I'm more concerned with how good their top talent is.

I agree with you about their top talent. That's my #1 concern as well. As far as depth, staying healthy in a season when Covid will be a major factor sounds like a pipe dream. I'm actually fairly surprised that the NBA didn't allow another roster spot for all teams given how disrupted this season will be. The flip side of this is the Bucks may keep some roster flexibility until after trade deadline and pick up a major ring chaser that cleared waivers

[Red8911]

Holy $hit! That's a lot for Holiday. They better have gotten a commitment from Giannis. Even with that, they're not gonna be able to do much else and Holiday is going to be up for a new huge deal. I think they could have done better.

If Giannis doesn't sign immediately with these trades, and the team struggles for any reason this year, and he leaves, they are so hilariously screwed. It is an incredibly nutso haul for a non-all-star.

Yup they better hope he does sign now or else they will still lose Giannis. Idk if they are done making moves but I agree just Holiday and Bogdanovic isn’t enough.

[dougthonus]

Holy $hit! That's a lot for Holiday. They better have gotten a commitment from Giannis. Even with that, they're not gonna be able to do much else and Holiday is going to be up for a new huge deal. I think they could have done better.

If Giannis doesn't sign immediately with these trades, and the team struggles for any reason this year, and he leaves, they are so hilariously screwed. It is an incredibly nutso haul for a non-all-star.

Yup they better hope he does sign now or else they will still lose Giannis. Idk if they are done making moves but I agree just Holiday and Bogdanovic isn’t enough.

Well they don't have much left they can do moves wise. Probably all that is left is to take on long term money of a bad contract (but decent player) for salary relief. I'd guess this is it for them.

[jmajew]

I like what Milwaukee has done. Holiday, Bogdanovic, Middleton, Giannis, Lopez is an abosolutely well constructed starting lineup. Depth could be an issue, but I think they will be able to sign quite a few low cost vets that fit specific roles. They will always have enough offense with 2 of those 5 starters on the court.

[Big Pippen]

If the Bucks win the NBA this trade will paid itself.I like that kind of move,a win now move.The Bulls don't have stars but should go for trades,we should try some trade getting players like Harden or Westbrook.We won't go anywhere with our current roster.Billy Donovan can't improve this group ,we need to find better players and nobody should be untouchable by now.

It's a high risk, high reward move for them. It would be interesting if they just canvased the NBA and said "we're willing to give up 3 1sts and 2 pick swaps, what will you give us" and if Jrue Holiday was whom they deemed the best option, because Jrue Holiday is only a good player, not a great one, and is past 30 now.

Also, Holiday is a UFA, potentially, as early as next year.

The plausible speculation, is that ownership went to Giannis (famous for not recruiting players) and said "what will it take to get you to sign an extension?" And Holiday and Bogdanavic were on the list (Bogdanavic will be amazing in Budenholzer's system). If this is what happened, and Giannis and Holiday both sign extensions (Giannis this offseason, Holiday the next) then it is a great gamble for Milwaulkee and those pick swaps will go unutilized and the picks will be nothing special. But if Giannis doesn't sign an extension, yeah, the Holiday trade is on the short list of worst trades ever.

[erasmusmrr]

Unprotected.

Here is the pick breakdown on the Jrue Holiday trade:

New Orleans receives

2020 1st (via IND)
2024 right to swap
2025 1st unprotected
2026 right to swap
2027 1st unprotected

[erasmusmrr]

Pelicans’ 1st round draft picks: many with lebron and giannis gone...

2020: 13, 24 (MIL)
2021: own, LAL 8-30 protected (unprotected 2022)
2022: Own
2023: Own, LAL unprotected
2024: Own, right to swap w LAL in either 24 or 25, MIL swap
2025: Own, MIL unprotected
2026: Own, MIL swap
2027: Own, MIL unprotected