2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

[sco]

I wonder how high pick we could get for Coby and #18!? Maybe around 8-10# pick?

I don't see why anyone would be interested in that. Wouldn't even do it if I were Houston at 17. You're definitely not getting in the lottery unless you add more.

I like our spot, though.

If I was a betting man, I'd bet that we aren't keeping our pick this season, and that AK is going to make a deal for a C.

If it were me, my goal would be to use Vuc, Coby, Green, our 1st, Por 1st, our TPE to nab a starting C upgrade, a rotation-worthy backup C, and rotation worthy backup PF.

[Jvaughn]

I wonder how high pick we could get for Coby and #18!? Maybe around 8-10# pick?

Coby definitely doesn't have that value. You might be able to sucker a team into giving you a future late 1st/early 2nd.

[Jvaughn]

I wonder how high pick we could get for Coby and #18!? Maybe around 8-10# pick?

I don't see why anyone would be interested in that. Wouldn't even do it if I were Houston at 17. You're definitely not getting in the lottery unless you add more.

I like our spot, though.

If I was a betting man, I'd bet that we aren't keeping our pick this season, and that AK is going to make a deal for a C.

If it were me, my goal would be to use Vuc, Coby, Green, our 1st, Por 1st, our TPE to nab a starting C upgrade, a rotation-worthy backup C, and rotation worthy backup PF.

Any idea when that TPE expires?

[d boy gentleman]

I don't see why anyone would be interested in that. Wouldn't even do it if I were Houston at 17. You're definitely not getting in the lottery unless you add more.

I like our spot, though.

If I was a betting man, I'd bet that we aren't keeping our pick this season, and that AK is going to make a deal for a C.

If it were me, my goal would be to use Vuc, Coby, Green, our 1st, Por 1st, our TPE to nab a starting C upgrade, a rotation-worthy backup C, and rotation worthy backup PF.

Any idea when that TPE expires?

We did the sign and trade with Houston on August 7th, but that was a different offseason. They usually expire in a year, but given that the previous season was shortened, it may be July.

[CoreyVillains]

Liddell would be perfect for this team. Moves his feet well on the perimeter, strong as an ox down low, great rim protector, can space the floor, and pass. His IQ is really impressive, highly recommend watching his film session with Schmitz. He's going to outperform his draft slot.

[LateNight]

I wonder how high pick we could get for Coby and #18!? Maybe around 8-10# pick?

I don't see why anyone would be interested in that. Wouldn't even do it if I were Houston at 17. You're definitely not getting in the lottery unless you add more.

I like our spot, though.

If I was a betting man, I'd bet that we aren't keeping our pick this season, and that AK is going to make a deal for a C.

If it were me, my goal would be to use Vuc, Coby, Green, our 1st, Por 1st, our TPE to nab a starting C upgrade, a rotation-worthy backup C, and rotation worthy backup PF.

Feel like that would be a mistake. We need some rookie scale contracts. We don’t have a lot of picks in the future.

[fleet]

Mark Williams Scouting Report

Watch on YouTube

Mutomboesque qualities if the highlights are an indication. He moved around and extinguished some shots like DM.

[drosestruts]

Hearing Adam Spinella in his latest mock draft video compare Ousmane Dieng to Nic Batum has me reconsidering him. A Batum type player would be perfect for our team. Though I think he'd be years away from that. Also not sure if it'd be a draft and stash situation or if we'd want him here year one.

For where we are, I think a veteran player may be more impactful to us in the next two years than whomever we draft at 18, which has me wondering if a foreign, draft and stash eligible player is a path we should be considering more.

[Jimmy Forums]

Depending how high we would need to get and the cost to get there, if I'm the Bulls I've identified Sochan as the best guy for us in this draft. Eason a close second, but Sochan with just a little more size and toughness to his physicality. I think he's suited to be a really good small-ball center to rest Vucevic; he would bring added defense when he's out there and he's talented enough to maintain our ball movement without getting stuck.

I've bought into his background and his work ethic. He's going to be Draymond-esque in the way he knows his role, and he strikes me as the kind of guy to realize his pathway to stardom is through the dirty work, and embrace that. That's exactly what we need.

[Chi town]

Liddell would be perfect for this team. Moves his feet well on the perimeter, strong as an ox down low, great rim protector, can space the floor, and pass. His IQ is really impressive, highly recommend watching his film session with Schmitz. He's going to outperform his draft slot.

I like EJ as a 3rd big. Small ball 5 ala Grant Williams. He's high IQ and skill. Just don't know if he has the motor and energy of a guy like Williams that can really make him an impact player.

[CoreyVillains]

Liddell would be perfect for this team. Moves his feet well on the perimeter, strong as an ox down low, great rim protector, can space the floor, and pass. His IQ is really impressive, highly recommend watching his film session with Schmitz. He's going to outperform his draft slot.

I like EJ as a 3rd big. Small ball 5 ala Grant Williams. He's high IQ and skill. Just don't know if he has the motor and energy of a guy like Williams that can really make him an impact player.

I like him for a lot of the same reasons. I actually do believe he has the motor to have that kind of impact, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Watch that dude run down chase down block opportunities, all hustle.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Depending how high we would need to get and the cost to get there, if I'm the Bulls I've identified Sochan as the best guy for us in this draft. Eason a close second, but Sochan with just a little more size and toughness to his physicality. I think he's suited to be a really good small-ball center to rest Vucevic; he would bring added defense when he's out there and he's talented enough to maintain our ball movement without getting stuck.

I've bought into his background and his work ethic. He's going to be Draymond-esque in the way he knows his role, and he strikes me as the kind of guy to realize his pathway to stardom is through the dirty work, and embrace that. That's exactly what we need.

I'm a big Sochan guy as well. Players with his size, feel and mobility don't fail. And if that shot comes around (big if), he's the kind of two-way forward you simply can't get in free agency.

Moving up for him would be tough bordering on impossible. Packaging Coby isn't nearly enough and Pat would be too much. I would be deeply reluctant to move Ayo in a trade up... but he's the right price, I imagine.

[moorhosj]

Liddell would be perfect for this team. Moves his feet well on the perimeter, strong as an ox down low, great rim protector, can space the floor, and pass. His IQ is really impressive, highly recommend watching his film session with Schmitz. He's going to outperform his draft slot.

I like EJ as a 3rd big. Small ball 5 ala Grant Williams. He's high IQ and skill. Just don't know if he has the motor and energy of a guy like Williams that can really make him an impact player.

I like him for a lot of the same reasons. I actually do believe he has the motor to have that kind of impact, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Watch that dude run down chase down block opportunities, all hustle.

His lane agility numbers at the combine were pretty good, too. Better than Jalen Williams.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility/?sort=LANE_AGILITY_TIME&dir=-1&CF=POSITION*E*F&SeasonYear=2022-23

[Chi town]

Depending how high we would need to get and the cost to get there, if I'm the Bulls I've identified Sochan as the best guy for us in this draft. Eason a close second, but Sochan with just a little more size and toughness to his physicality. I think he's suited to be a really good small-ball center to rest Vucevic; he would bring added defense when he's out there and he's talented enough to maintain our ball movement without getting stuck.

I've bought into his background and his work ethic. He's going to be Draymond-esque in the way he knows his role, and he strikes me as the kind of guy to realize his pathway to stardom is through the dirty work, and embrace that. That's exactly what we need.

I'm a big Sochan guy as well. Players with his size, feel and mobility don't fail. And if that shot comes around (big if), he's the kind of two-way forward you simply can't get in free agency.

Moving up for him would be tough bordering on impossible. Packaging Coby isn't nearly enough and Pat would be too much. I would be deeply reluctant to move Ayo in a trade up... but he's the right price, I imagine.

Sochan would be a great get and fit for us. Don't see him falling and he won't be worth the price to move up. Think he has a pretty high floor and would be a great 3rd big for us and maybe even a future C to replace Vuc.

One of Sochan, Eason, Duren, or Williams will fall to IMO.

I expect that player to be our pick.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

I've been a big fan of Liddell for several months now. I think he's going to be legit. He needs to work on his ball handling but he's pretty solid everywhere else. With his IQ and work ethic, he'll be a really good player for a long time. I'd love to see him paired up with Pat for the next 10 years.

[Jimmy Forums]

Depending how high we would need to get and the cost to get there, if I'm the Bulls I've identified Sochan as the best guy for us in this draft. Eason a close second, but Sochan with just a little more size and toughness to his physicality. I think he's suited to be a really good small-ball center to rest Vucevic; he would bring added defense when he's out there and he's talented enough to maintain our ball movement without getting stuck.

I've bought into his background and his work ethic. He's going to be Draymond-esque in the way he knows his role, and he strikes me as the kind of guy to realize his pathway to stardom is through the dirty work, and embrace that. That's exactly what we need.

I'm a big Sochan guy as well. Players with his size, feel and mobility don't fail. And if that shot comes around (big if), he's the kind of two-way forward you simply can't get in free agency.

Moving up for him would be tough bordering on impossible. Packaging Coby isn't nearly enough and Pat would be too much. I would be deeply reluctant to move Ayo in a trade up... but he's the right price, I imagine.

Sochan would be a great get and fit for us. Don't see him falling and he won't be worth the price to move up. Think he has a pretty high floor and would be a great 3rd big for us and maybe even a future C to replace Vuc.

One of Sochan, Eason, Duren, or Williams will fall to IMO.

I expect that player to be our pick.

This captures my outlook on the draft perfectly. My personal rankings would be Sochan, Duren, Eason, Williams (assuming we’re talking about Mark).

My fear is that all four of them get taken between 9-17, leaving us to take Liddell. I say “fear” but Liddell is actually the, uh, least exciting but still acceptable pick IMO. He profiles as a guy who technically fits a lot of our needs, but he has always struck me as a guy who tops out as a very decent “eh”-caliber player. Even in the positionless modern NBA he has tweener written all over him.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Depending how high we would need to get and the cost to get there, if I'm the Bulls I've identified Sochan as the best guy for us in this draft. Eason a close second, but Sochan with just a little more size and toughness to his physicality. I think he's suited to be a really good small-ball center to rest Vucevic; he would bring added defense when he's out there and he's talented enough to maintain our ball movement without getting stuck.

I've bought into his background and his work ethic. He's going to be Draymond-esque in the way he knows his role, and he strikes me as the kind of guy to realize his pathway to stardom is through the dirty work, and embrace that. That's exactly what we need.

I'm a big Sochan guy as well. Players with his size, feel and mobility don't fail. And if that shot comes around (big if), he's the kind of two-way forward you simply can't get in free agency.

Moving up for him would be tough bordering on impossible. Packaging Coby isn't nearly enough and Pat would be too much. I would be deeply reluctant to move Ayo in a trade up... but he's the right price, I imagine.

Sochan would be a great get and fit for us. Don't see him falling and he won't be worth the price to move up. Think he has a pretty high floor and would be a great 3rd big for us and maybe even a future C to replace Vuc.

One of Sochan, Eason, Duren, or Williams will fall to IMO.

I expect that player to be our pick.

Standing pat and taking the BPA at 18 is almost surely the best option. But I have Sochan as the best prospect of this group, and a good bit ahead of the guy most likely to drop to us (Eason).

[rosenthall]

I can easily get behind any of Eason, Williams or Sochan, and would be very excited to have them fall to us. Like run-to-the-podium happy.

However, I have a hard time getting enthused about Duren. I've grown to be skeptical of taking the highly recruited AAU bigs who get by on their athleticism. If they enter the NBA at a young age, it takes them a looooooooong time to get going as NBA players. Duren would fit our needs as an athletic rim protector on paper, but I have little expectation that he'd actually get rotation minutes for us under our current window. He'd be on our roster as a trade chip and nothing else.

I didn't watch any college BBall this year, so I ask this question with sincerity: is Duren a better prospect than Jaxson Hayes, Mo Bamba or James Wiseman?

Why should I expect Duren to have more success with the Bulls than they have had with their own respective teams? He doesn't strike me as a better prospect than those guys. He doesn't even strike me as being any better than Tony Bradley next year. If he was available I wouldn't fault the Bulls for taking him, but I wouldn't really feel good about it.

[Muzbar]

I can easily get behind any of Eason, Williams or Sochan, and would be very excited to have them fall to us. Like run-to-the-podium happy.

However, I have a hard time getting enthused about Duren. I've grown to be skeptical of taking the highly recruited AAU bigs who get by on their athleticism. If they enter the NBA at a young age, it takes them a looooooooong time to get going as NBA players. Duren would fit our needs as an athletic rim protector on paper, but I have little expectation that he'd actually get rotation minutes for us under our current window. He'd be on our roster as a trade chip and nothing else.

I didn't watch any college BBall this year, so I ask this question with sincerity: is Duren a better prospect than Jaxson Hayes, Mo Bamba or James Wiseman?

Why should I expect Duren to have more success with the Bulls than they have had with their own respective teams? He doesn't strike me as a better prospect than those guys. He doesn't even strike me as being any better than Tony Bradley next year. If he was available I wouldn't fault the Bulls for taking him, but I wouldn't really feel good about it.

Aren't you concerned about Sochan's mediocre wingspan and lack of shooting touch? He shot poorly from 3 and the FT line, he just seems like a Kenneth Faried clone but with better defense.

If (Mark, right?) Williams falls I'll be stoked, he'd be a great back-up and maybe eventual starter, his size and length is pretty awesome.

Eason I'm having a hard time getting behind, but would not be upset by getting him, especially if PWill gets moved.

[2weekswithpay]

I can easily get behind any of Eason, Williams or Sochan, and would be very excited to have them fall to us. Like run-to-the-podium happy.

However, I have a hard time getting enthused about Duren. I've grown to be skeptical of taking the highly recruited AAU bigs who get by on their athleticism. If they enter the NBA at a young age, it takes them a looooooooong time to get going as NBA players. Duren would fit our needs as an athletic rim protector on paper, but I have little expectation that he'd actually get rotation minutes for us under our current window. He'd be on our roster as a trade chip and nothing else.

I didn't watch any college BBall this year, so I ask this question with sincerity: is Duren a better prospect than Jaxson Hayes, Mo Bamba or James Wiseman?

Why should I expect Duren to have more success with the Bulls than they have had with their own respective teams? He doesn't strike me as a better prospect than those guys. He doesn't even strike me as being any better than Tony Bradley next year. If he was available I wouldn't fault the Bulls for taking him, but I wouldn't really feel good about it.

Personally, I'd rank them Wiseman > Bamba > Duren > Hayes.

Wiseman showed more offensively than the rest which gets him the #1 spot. Only played 3 games in college though.

Bamba was an insane shot blocker and great rebounder with solid mobility plus some promise as a shooter. He did not have an NBA ready frame like Wiseman or Duren though. Worth mentioning Bamba was highly regarded in a loaded draft class.

Duren has shown good rim protection, has a NBA ready frame that Bamba and Hayes didn't have, and possesses good mobility. Also a great rebounder and has shown some playmaking even if it's a little.

Hayes wasn't all that good. Great athlete with good mobility and excellent shot blocking ability but he had a skinny frame, was a poor rebounder, and despite the blocks wasn't that great as a rim protector. Didn't show anything offensively other than the ability to catch lobs.

If you're expecting immediate success then pass on Duren. All these guys were going to need time to develop as most bigs do.