Bears 2023 thread V

[ThisGuyFawkes]

If we do decide to trade Fields, I wonder what the ideal timing would be. It would have to be before the draft, right? But if you trade him before the draft, you lose some leverage in a potential trade down from #1. I don't know, I need someone to tell me how it should ideally work haha.

[Chi town]

You trade him.

I think Fields can be successful (which should give him decent trade value), but he also very much limits the type of offense you can run with his limitations as a passer/processor.

2nd round pick. ATL.

[Almost Retired]

If we do decide to trade Fields, I wonder what the ideal timing would be. It would have to be before the draft, right? But if you trade him before the draft, you lose some leverage in a potential trade down from #1. I don't know, I need someone to tell me how it should ideally work haha.

I think you hire a Head Coach first. Then consider his input before making any move. But if the new guy and OC want to move on, my preference, then for sure you do it before the Draft. Try to pry a mid 2nd rounder for him and use it to Draft a Center like Van Pran or some Edge help like Bralen Trice of Washington, CB help like Denzel Burke, or a Safety like Calen Bullock of USC (all projected to go 2nd round). Our secondary always seems to be banged up. Time to salary dump Eddie Jackson. They may have to Franchise Jaylon Johnson for a year and groom his replacement. We need EDGE help. But a Center most of all. I'd be happy if we got a 2nd for Justin.

[jnrjr79]

I haven't read any prognostications on this front, but is a 2nd realistic? He was originally picked 11th and has played 3 seasons. While he's shown definite flashes, he also hasn't proven that he can be a long-term starter and has pretty significant turnover problems. The receiving team would have to make a decision on a $23 million 5th-year option before he plays a down for them. If it were a year ago, sure, but I tend to wonder whether a 3rd is more realistic at this point.

[TheSuzerain]

I haven't read any prognostications on this front, but is a 2nd realistic? He was originally picked 11th and has played 3 seasons. While he's shown definite flashes, he also hasn't proven that he can be a long-term starter and has pretty significant turnover problems. The receiving team would have to make a decision on a $23 million 5th-year option before he plays a down for them. If it were a year ago, sure, but I tend to wonder whether a 3rd is more realistic at this point.

It's realistic.

Sam Darnold returned a 2nd rounder + a 4th + a 6th.

[fleet]

Carolina imploding... Hilarious because the coaching staff wanted Stroud, yet they are the ones to get the boot. Owner trying to save face by blaming Youngs ineffectiveness on the coaching staff.

Let's hope Poles makes the right decision next year.

It is….not good for us. Better if sleeping dogs let lie. Status quo was working well.

[molepharmer]

I haven't read any prognostications on this front, but is a 2nd realistic? He was originally picked 11th and has played 3 seasons. While he's shown definite flashes, he also hasn't proven that he can be a long-term starter and has pretty significant turnover problems. The receiving team would have to make a decision on a $23 million 5th-year option before he plays a down for them. If it were a year ago, sure, but I tend to wonder whether a 3rd is more realistic at this point.

It's realistic.

Sam Darnold returned a 2nd rounder + a 4th + a 6th.

Just need to find another owner like D Tepper whose evaluation of QBs is suspect.

[HoopsterJones]

Teams that may be looking for a new starting QB (in no order):

Patriots
Raiders
Giants
Vikings
Falcons
Bucs

Maybe the Cardinals but they owe Murray a lot of money still. Same with the Rams and Stafford.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I haven't read any prognostications on this front, but is a 2nd realistic? He was originally picked 11th and has played 3 seasons. While he's shown definite flashes, he also hasn't proven that he can be a long-term starter and has pretty significant turnover problems. The receiving team would have to make a decision on a $23 million 5th-year option before he plays a down for them. If it were a year ago, sure, but I tend to wonder whether a 3rd is more realistic at this point.

It's realistic.

Sam Darnold returned a 2nd rounder + a 4th + a 6th.

I'd say its realistic unless he totally takes a step back and stops showing progress. Important stretch whether you want him or you don't.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Teams that may be looking for a new starting QB (in no order):

Patriots
Raiders
Giants
Vikings
Falcons
Bucs

Maybe the Cardinals but they owe Murray a lot of money still. Same with the Rams and Stafford.

Steelers are a team that need a QB, regardless of what their record says. And Fields make a ton of sense for them, they are a win now team and drafting a new QB isn’t good for their timeline.

[HoopsterJones]

Teams that may be looking for a new starting QB (in no order):

Patriots
Raiders
Giants
Vikings
Falcons
Bucs

Maybe the Cardinals but they owe Murray a lot of money still. Same with the Rams and Stafford.

Steelers are a team that need a QB, regardless of what their record says. And Fields make a ton of sense for them, they are a win now team and drafting a new QB isn’t good for their timeline.

I get it. The Steelers drafted Kenny Pickett last season with a 1st round pick though. Not sure if they’d move on so quickly from him. The Steelers offense may improve since firing their OC.

[jnrjr79]

I haven't read any prognostications on this front, but is a 2nd realistic? He was originally picked 11th and has played 3 seasons. While he's shown definite flashes, he also hasn't proven that he can be a long-term starter and has pretty significant turnover problems. The receiving team would have to make a decision on a $23 million 5th-year option before he plays a down for them. If it were a year ago, sure, but I tend to wonder whether a 3rd is more realistic at this point.

It's realistic.

Sam Darnold returned a 2nd rounder + a 4th + a 6th.

The Sam Darnold trade supports my concerns, to some extent. You're sort of glossing over what the actual terms were.

First, Darnold was a former #3 pick, not #11. Second, Darnold was traded for a current 6th rounder, and a 2nd and 4th in the following year. You generally drop a draft pick a round in value for a future year, so the 2nd and 4th traded for Darnold are more like a 3rd and 5th in what the value would have been considered at the time of the trade.

And, of course, that trade is now considered a huge overpay/failure!

Of course, if the question here is whether Justin could get you a future 2nd, sure, that seems more likely. But I assumed the context of the conversation in this thread was for a 2024 2nd, particularly given the Bears don't have one as it currently stands.

[TheSuzerain]

I haven't read any prognostications on this front, but is a 2nd realistic? He was originally picked 11th and has played 3 seasons. While he's shown definite flashes, he also hasn't proven that he can be a long-term starter and has pretty significant turnover problems. The receiving team would have to make a decision on a $23 million 5th-year option before he plays a down for them. If it were a year ago, sure, but I tend to wonder whether a 3rd is more realistic at this point.

It's realistic.

Sam Darnold returned a 2nd rounder + a 4th + a 6th.

The Sam Darnold trade supports my concerns, to some extent. You're sort of glossing over what the actual terms were.

First, Darnold was a former #3 pick, not #11. Second, Darnold was traded for a current 6th rounder, and a 2nd and 4th in the following year. You generally drop a draft pick a round in value for a future year, so the 2nd and 4th traded for Darnold are more like a 3rd and 5th in what the value would have been considered at the time of the trade.

And, of course, that trade is now considered a huge overpay/failure!

Of course, if the question here is whether Justin could get you a future 2nd, sure, that seems more likely. But I assumed the context of the conversation in this thread was for a 2024 2nd, particularly given the Bears don't have one as it currently stands.

We should absolutely be willing to deal Fields for a future pick. We shouldn't care so much about the year.

[Almost Retired]

Right now I'm thinking that Arizona won't take a QB. And as much as they might want Harrison they could really do pretty well trading down if we take Caleb or Maye at #1. The Giants, Bucs and Jets at 6,7 and 8 would have to compete to move up to #2 to pick ahead of New England who is sure to want a QB. Great set up for Arizona.

[Dresden]

"Justin Fields is going to have to play out of his mind, because if it's close, the economics are so compelling to take another quarterback to reset the clock," ESPN front office insider Mike Tannenbaum said. "If you could reset the clock on a rookie quarterback alone, Justin Fields would have to be two to three times the player to not take a quarterback because you have to think about all those other players you can add with the savings."

I think that's it in a nutshell. Unless Fields looks like Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen the rest of the year, you just have to make the switch. The fact that there are several outstanding prospects coming out just makes the case that much stronger.

[jnrjr79]

It's realistic.

Sam Darnold returned a 2nd rounder + a 4th + a 6th.

The Sam Darnold trade supports my concerns, to some extent. You're sort of glossing over what the actual terms were.

First, Darnold was a former #3 pick, not #11. Second, Darnold was traded for a current 6th rounder, and a 2nd and 4th in the following year. You generally drop a draft pick a round in value for a future year, so the 2nd and 4th traded for Darnold are more like a 3rd and 5th in what the value would have been considered at the time of the trade.

And, of course, that trade is now considered a huge overpay/failure!

Of course, if the question here is whether Justin could get you a future 2nd, sure, that seems more likely. But I assumed the context of the conversation in this thread was for a 2024 2nd, particularly given the Bears don't have one as it currently stands.

We should absolutely be willing to deal Fields for a future pick. We shouldn't care so much about the year.

I agree. But given the way NFL trades work, when you say "Justin Fields will get us a 2nd," it means this year unless you specify otherwise, given that NFL teams apply a pretty fixed formula of devaluation to future picks.

By all means, though, trade Justin for a 2025 2nd. Fine by me.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

You trade him.

I think Fields can be successful (which should give him decent trade value), but he also very much limits the type of offense you can run with his limitations as a passer/processor.

2nd round pick. ATL.

Let me ask you... If you're the Falcons and you have a choice of paying a 2nd round pick for Fields or just drafting Jaylen Daniels with your first round pick, which is more enticing?

[Almost Retired]

You trade him.

I think Fields can be successful (which should give him decent trade value), but he also very much limits the type of offense you can run with his limitations as a passer/processor.

2nd round pick. ATL.

Let me ask you... If you're the Falcons and you have a choice of paying a 2nd round pick for Fields or just drafting Jaylen Daniels with your first round pick, which is more enticing?

Jayden Daniels for sure. If if they are comparable in every other way the salary savings are just too much in favor of going with the rookie.

[Dresden]

You trade him.

I think Fields can be successful (which should give him decent trade value), but he also very much limits the type of offense you can run with his limitations as a passer/processor.

2nd round pick. ATL.

Let me ask you... If you're the Falcons and you have a choice of paying a 2nd round pick for Fields or just drafting Jaylen Daniels with your first round pick, which is more enticing?

I think so much depends on how Fields looks in these last handful of games. that's going to go a long way towards determining how teams view him.

The problem with Fields is that there are a lot of question marks about whether or not he can play as a pocket passer or not- does he have the skills to do that, or is he more of a freelancer who can make big plays at times, sort of like Colin Kapernick. If that's how he's viewed, I don't know how many teams would be willing to invest a lot in him. Although you could use him like the guy in NO, as a pass/run threat type QB. Some teams might see value in that. You see a lot of QB's getting second and third chances around the league- Baker Mayfield, Darnold, Geno Smith, Minshew. So someone might take a chance on him.

[Chi town]

That muddied the waters, for sure," said Josh Lucas, who was the Bears' director of player personnel from 2015 to '21. "If he's as good or better as he was [in Detroit] in four or five of their last six games ... you start talking about, man, those two picks. If it's the best pass-rusher in the draft and the best receiver in the draft, is Justin good enough to carry a really good team? In my opinion, yes."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38983435/bears-face-justin-fields-decision-land-no-1-draft-pick