Bulls trade Alex Caruso to OKC for Josh Giddey

[HomoSapien]

People on this board keep bringing up AC being in a contract year but I don’t really see any evidence that it impacted his trade value significantly. It seems like he still was sought after.

More people want bottled water than greg goose, but it doesn't mean they'll pay more for it.

Sorry, very late reply here. I would argue that it depends on how thirsty you are. OKC is on the cusp of competing for a title, so I believe they'd be more inclined to pay a premium for our ultra pure Fiji water.

Consensus out there was the Bulls made a great move when they got Vuc

I don't remember that being the consensus at all. It was a pretty criticized move.

But either way, I agree, my opinion is in the minority, but that doesn't make me think I'm wrong.

I'd also say, it's probably obvious the Bulls were shopping Caruso for a long time, and canvased the league looking for deals, and this was the deal they liked the most. Maybe they could have held out for more, maybe not, but I wouldn't assume that they didn't try and they didn't play teams off each other.

I'm confused by your take here. I know you think this FO is exceedingly stupid. They perpetually overpay and under-receive. Why would this suddenly be different?

[WindyCityBorn]

KC Johnson reported a rumor that we turned down the 13th pick from the Kings for Caruso. I’m fine with that as I’d rather have Giddey than whoever is available at that point.

[weneeda2guard]

It's crazy how bulls fan complained for years how we let our young players go and watch them blossom elsewhere because we didn't properly develop them. Here we could be the recipient of that circumstance finally. If giddy becomes for us what Haliburton became for Indiana, or what SGA became for okc nobody will be thinking about some Ole worthless picks

[weneeda2guard]

KC Johnson reported a rumor that we turned down the 13th pick from the Kings for Caruso. I’m fine with that as I’d rather have Giddey than whoever is available at that point.

13th pick was just going to be another player on their way to the windy city bulls eating up a roster spot. Would rather have giddy too.

[Jvaughn]

Not sure if this was posted already, but apparently the Kings and Knicks both offered packages for Caruso that included draft capital.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10126048-nba-rumors-alex-caruso-was-eyed-by-knicks-before-thunder-trade-draft-picks-offered

Just an aggregator.

The deals believed to be offered from what I read were: the Kings offered 13, the Knicks offered 24 an 25 (all picks in this draft).

I think that's an eye of the beholder thing. I think Giddey is a far safer bet to be valuable than either of those packages over the course of his career and also will provide more immediate impact, but the contract situation is much less advantageous in both cases.

Giddey is the retool move. Those packages are the rebuild move. I'd be curious how much hard ball we tried to play with OKC.

This does raise an interesting point in why we couldn't bluff OKC though. OKC had the pick at 12. If we said "we're going to take #13 from the Kings unless you give us something more, OKC could counter with "We'll give you #12 and trade Giddey for a different pick from someone else".

Thus if we wanted Giddey, there was no way to leverage the Kings offer into getting Giddey + something else since they could also trump the Kings offer without Giddey and allegedly had other offers to move Giddey for a 1st on the table.

I guess it depends on exactly what the Bulls plan is this summer. If we see them move Lavine and let Demar walk, I can understand the vision more. If they give Demar an extension and keep Zach/Vuc, I will stand by my belief that they have no intention on winning. Just content being a forever Play-In team.

[dice]

It's crazy how bulls fan complained for years how we let our young players go and watch them blossom elsewhere because we didn't properly develop them. Here we could be the recipient of that circumstance finally. If giddy becomes for us what Haliburton became for Indiana, or what SGA became for okc nobody will be thinking about some Ole worthless picks

it's not common for a guy to blossom in year 4 or beyond. not many jimmy butlers. and i'm not seeing tremendous untapped potential w/ giddey

[dice]

KC Johnson reported a rumor that we turned down the 13th pick from the Kings for Caruso. I’m fine with that as I’d rather have Giddey than whoever is available at that point.

13th pick was just going to be another player on their way to the windy city bulls eating up a roster spot. Would rather have giddy too.

you'll be getting giddey for big bucks after the bulls transition into whatever next season

[biggestbullsfan]

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You seriously have to wonder what they offered for Caruso if they gave up this for Bridges. Wow.

[WindyCityBorn]

It's crazy how bulls fan complained for years how we let our young players go and watch them blossom elsewhere because we didn't properly develop them. Here we could be the recipient of that circumstance finally. If giddy becomes for us what Haliburton became for Indiana, or what SGA became for okc nobody will be thinking about some Ole worthless picks

it's not common for a guy to blossom in year 4 or beyond. not many jimmy butlers. and i'm not seeing tremendous untapped potential w/ giddey

He was already blossoming before they moved him off ball. I fully expect him to put up something like 16/8/8 on the Bulls as long as DeRozan is gone. Defense and 3 point shooting can improve. He’s only 21. And he will make our other players look better unlike Zach and DDR.

[WindyCityBorn]

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You seriously have to wonder what they offered for Caruso if they gave up this for Bridges. Wow.

Caruso would not garner half of that.

[burlydee]

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You seriously have to wonder what they offered for Caruso if they gave up this for Bridges. Wow.

Caruso would not garner half of that.

This is an awful trade. Knicks seriously overpaid.

[WindyCityBorn]

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You seriously have to wonder what they offered for Caruso if they gave up this for Bridges. Wow.

Caruso would not garner half of that.

This is an awful trade. Knicks seriously overpaid.

Desperation move when they shouldn’t be desperate.

[Mbrahv0528]

Caruso would not garner half of that.

This is an awful trade. Knicks seriously overpaid.

Desperation move when they shouldn’t be desperate.

Why shouldn't they be? OG just opted out.

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[t-time]

I don’t blame the Knicks for selling the farm to get better. When we were in their position we went and signed a finished Rip Hamilton.

[DuallyNoted]

I don’t blame the Knicks for selling the farm to get better. When we were in their position we went and signed a finished Rip Hamilton.

and when the knicks sold the farm the last few times the bulls wound up being contenders because of it

[dougthonus]

Giddey has already made 18.8 million for his career. This year it's another 8.3 million. I know there are agent cuts and taxes, but if he was smart with his money he's already set for life. I also didn't include any endorsements and other earnings that aren't from his NBA contract.

A good way to look at wealth is that your life style changes by multiples.

If you figure that after the insane amount of taxes you get hit on and the reasonable splurges one might make if you are 19 and have millions of dollars but aren't incredibly stupid, let's say he has half of that 26M left at 13M.

Yes, you could put that in the bank and life a comfortable middle class life style on it, but you'd be a bit dicey to put that in the bank and live a lavish FU money life style, and if you have 2 kids and they have 2 kids and split the money between them, they probably are going to run out of money.

Let's say you sign a 100M dollar deal now, and you keep roughly 60M in the bank after taxes/fees, because you still got petty cash of 13M chilling out from the first deal. This isn't "I can support a family in a middle class suburb without working" money, this is "I've got a beach house in Miami and throw $10,000 parties every weekend" money, or if you are responsible it's "I am set for life, my kids are set for life, my grand kids are set for life, and their grand kids are set for life" type money.

To get into another stratosphere of wealth, you probably need about 4x-5x that money to get to the "I own multiple exotic houses, have a staff, a yacht and a jet" type of money where the quality of life meaningfully changes again (to the extent quality of life really can meaningfully change after like 50M).

[t-time]

I don’t blame the Knicks for selling the farm to get better. When we were in their position we went and signed a finished Rip Hamilton.

and when the knicks sold the farm the last few times the bulls wound up being contenders because of it

The Knicks are now a properly built team and they’ve just become even better. Not comparable to Isiah Thomas thinking he is playing NBA 2K.

[dougthonus]

Sorry, very late reply here. I would argue that it depends on how thirsty you are. OKC is on the cusp of competing for a title, so I believe they'd be more inclined to pay a premium for our ultra pure Fiji water.

I noted this separately, but the two offers floating out there are #13 or two picks at #24 / #25.

OKC had #12, and could have said we'll give you Giddey or #12 and trumped both offers, but we wanted Giddey more. I think its just super presumptuous to just think we didn't try and could have just gotten more.

To the point AK / ME probably aren't great negotiators, I agree, they aren't, and Presti is obviously a fantastic one, we can look at the histories of both and confirm that. I don't think Presti was going to cave here. It wasn't Caruso or bust for him, he could trade for any player to ever hit the trade market. Caruso probably isn't going to be the best one.

I don't remember that being the consensus at all. It was a pretty criticized move.

I don't know what to tell you except to look again, but man, _everyone_ loved this trade, I was absolutely flamed everywhere I talked about it for not liking this trade.

I'm confused by your take here. I know you think this FO is exceedingly stupid. They perpetually overpay and under-receive. Why would this suddenly be different?

It's a fair point, but they obviously were shopping Caruso a long time across multiple deadlines and had lots of offers. I think they took the one they liked the most and were thorough in soliciting offers. Maybe they could have tried to squeeze harder, but if you have multiple bidders and have been in the process a long time, your most powerful negotiating tactic is ALWAYS playing real offers against each other and letting people bid against themselves.

They had that scenario, and in that scenario, they should hit near the best price even with incompetence.

[DropStep]

I don’t blame the Knicks for selling the farm to get better. When we were in their position we went and signed a finished Rip Hamilton.

and when the knicks sold the farm the last few times the bulls wound up being contenders because of it

This is one place where the Thunder shine - they don't get thirsty, maybe even to a fault. But in a year or two (or more?), when their team is ripening and they finally decide to start spending those picks they are so careful with, it's going to be impactful and the league had better brace itself.

[Jcool0]

I don’t blame the Knicks for selling the farm to get better. When we were in their position we went and signed a finished Rip Hamilton.

and when the knicks sold the farm the last few times the bulls wound up being contenders because of it

This is one place where the Thunder shine - they don't get thirsty, maybe even to a fault. But in a year or two (or more?), when their team is ripening and they finally decide to start spending those picks they are so careful with, it's going to be impactful and the league had better brace itself.

Its a good theory. But all it is a theory. We see teams stock up on picks all the time and end up using them on B level talent when the A players say no thanks.