Deng to GS PG.13 / PG.43 Bulls Say Otherwise

AAU Teammate · Post #881 » by **AAU Teammate** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:11 pm

I get that everyone is frustrated with Derrick's injury.

What I can't understand is the way we allow all our frustrations to get us excited about trading Luol for a lottery pick. Just because fans LOVE visiting draftexpress doesn't mean I want my team to suffer.

I would move Deng if I knew it got me Taj and Omer and Mirotic all comfortably in place, with a shot at maybe some more cap room.

But Deng may be more valuable than those guys. Omer is elite at one thing, bad at the rest. Taj is good at most things, great at none. Mirotic is a total question mark.

This is just a general point, but I really think some people here will rue being so quick to get Deng out of here. He has covered up a lot of holes for this franchise, and yet right now all we do is discuss his lack of dribbling/making his own shot. Fact is he gives you so much else in basically every other realm of the game. That's why he's worth that paycheck. You use him to cover up 120 warts on the roster.

U boj · Post #882 » by **U boj** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:12 pm

Trading Rip Hamilton and not taking any salary back could be another way to go.

It's not like that guy is a valuable player, especially with Rose out. He is very old, weak and horribly injury prone.

If they like Deng but don't want to pay the tax, getting rid of Hamilton would not hurt at all.

People will probably ask who would play the SG for the Bulls if Rip is out but it's not like he will play more than 30, 40 games next season. :roll:

The Bear Jew · Post #883 » by **The Bear Jew** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:16 pm

U boj wrote:
The Bear Jew wrote:
Hinrich is essentially a defensive specialist at this point in his career, I agree, not a fit for the Bulls at PG at all. Kidd has a lot left in him though, and is much better than Watson (click the link in my sig if you want my reasoning and find the Watson vs Kidd article). He's still an excellent passer and defender (he played KD a little in the playoffs). I'd be perfectly happy with Kidd taking the MMLE.

Kidd is not much better than Watson, lol.

He is also not an excellent defender. He can't score(which alone makes him an awful fit with this Bulls group and especially Thibs offensive system where PG score a lot). He can't penetrate. He is slow and injury prone.

Watson is a better player and a better fit, younger and knows the system.

Like I said, if you want my points it's explained on my blog (I'm not trying to promote it, honestly every thing I have to say is there). But I think that Kidd is a very good defender at min and a good fit, as long as we get pieces around him that can provide offense. Watson wasn't able to provide scoring whatsoever in the playoffs, he's not a good defender, and I don't trust him in the future at all.

jumpmanjay · Post #884 » by **jumpmanjay** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:22 pm

Irregular wrote:It did have Rose and he got injured during those playoffs.

The same thing would happen again. Bulls need more players that can do more then hit a jump shot.

so youre saying even with a healthy roster (rose and noah playing the whole series), we would lose? you cannot actually believe the nonsense you are spouting.

UGABulls · Post #885 » by **UGABulls** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:23 pm

Irregular wrote:
UGABulls wrote:This team is going nowhere. Time to focus on my 49ers. They actually want to win.

49ers will never win with Alex Smith as QB.

They have a better chance than the Bulls ever will their current team. Best defense in the NFL, strong running game special teams and much better receiver core than last season. Hell Dilfer won a Super Bowl and San Franscisco wins a Super in February if the Cubs manager's son didn't give the game away.

Vegas disagrees with you as the 49ers are the favorites to win it all. 49ers are royalty with management that is determined to win. Bulls are just pretenders that got lucky with Jordan.

Bulls will never win with Deng and Boozer as top scoring options. LMAO. You wanna place a bet on which team wins another title first?

BeKuK · Post #886 » by **BeKuK** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:24 pm

What happend the last 60 minutes....is Lu already in GS?? ^^

Post #887 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:27 pm

UGABulls wrote:
Irregular wrote:
UGABulls wrote:This team is going nowhere. Time to focus on my 49ers. They actually want to win.

49ers will never win with Alex Smith as QB.

They have a better chance than the Bulls ever will their current team. Best defense in the NFL, strong running game special teams and much better receiver core than last season. Hell Dilfer won a Super Bowl and San Franscisco wins a Super in February if the Cubs manager's son didn't give the game away.

Vegas disagrees with you as the 49ers are the favorites to win it all. 49ers are royalty with management that is determined to win. Bulls are just pretenders that got lucky with Jordan.

Bulls will never win with Deng and Boozer as top scoring options. LMAO. You wanna place a bet on which team wins another title first?

This is a fascinating discussion, that I enourage you both to post about in great detail and with great frequency in the months and years to come, at the 49ers message board nearest you.

UGABulls · Post #888 » by **UGABulls** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:28 pm

rob32 wrote:The bulls will never win with rose(only)leading the team. But atleast the 49ers have been adding players to help alex smith.

Thank you. 49ers made a real effort to improve their team and they did. They were not content to just make the conference championship. No rolling out the same junk and hoping for a different result.

Irregular · Post #889 » by **Irregular** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:31 pm

DuckIII wrote:
This is a fascinating discussion, that I enourage you both to post about in great detail and with great frequency in the months and years to come, at the 49ers message board nearest you.

no thanks, Im a Bears fan

bad knees · Post #890 » by **bad knees** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:35 pm

In terms of adding an elite second scorer, unless something completely unexpected happens (e.g., DH12 comes to his senses), I think the Bulls' options are: (1) Mirotic; and (2) the Bobs pick. Boozer will be amnestied to make room for Mirotic (and I am assuming and praying that he comes over soon).

As for the Bobs pick, I know the Bobs are bad, but I don't want to wait forever to use it. Also, the Bobs could suck for several years, and then suddenly make the playoffs, in which case we would get the pick in their playoffs year and it would be in the 17-19 range. So I am inclined to trade it now, and let someone else wait for the jackpot, if we can use it to get a player that we see as having a reasonable shot as being that second scorer.

I really like Terrence Ross in this draft. I think the guys ahead of him in the mock drafts (Beal, Barnes, Lamb, Rivers) are overrated based in part on their AAU/high school days. If Ross fell to 14, I would be willing to send the Bobs pick to Houston for the rights to Ross. Houston has another pick at 16, so it may make sense to them to buy the Bobs pick with one of their picks. What do you think? Good for the Bulls? Would Houston do it?

SpeedyWindRose · Post #891 » by **SpeedyWindRose** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:36 pm

11/19/12: Bears @ SF, Monday Night Football

Be there, or be square.

Judrix · Post #892 » by **Judrix** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:38 pm

Braylon Edwards is the key.

The key.

As is Randy Moss. Work those phones GarPax.

D_GoLow · Post #893 » by **D_GoLow** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:50 pm

Irregular wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
This is a fascinating discussion, that I enourage you both to post about in great detail and with great frequency in the months and years to come, at the 49ers message board nearest you.

no thanks, Im a Bears fan

Hopefully LeBron James winning the title encourages Tony Romo to get over the hump.

kyrv · Post #894 » by **kyrv** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:53 pm

AAU Teammate wrote:I get that everyone is frustrated with Derrick's injury.

What I can't understand is the way we allow all our frustrations to get us excited about trading Luol for a lottery pick. Just because fans LOVE visiting draftexpress doesn't mean I want my team to suffer.

I would move Deng if I knew it got me Taj and Omer and Mirotic all comfortably in place, with a shot at maybe some more cap room.

But Deng may be more valuable than those guys. Omer is elite at one thing, bad at the rest. Taj is good at most things, great at none. Mirotic is a total question mark.

This is just a general point, but I really think some people here will rue being so quick to get Deng out of here. He has covered up a lot of holes for this franchise, and yet right now all we do is discuss his lack of dribbling/making his own shot. Fact is he gives you so much else in basically every other realm of the game. That's why he's worth that paycheck. You use him to cover up 120 warts on the roster.

Very well stated. :clap:

D_GoLow · Post #895 » by **D_GoLow** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:57 pm

The Bulls can do a lot worse than Luol Deng, a lot worse. Don't sell him out unless you get good value, period

Bulls1983 · Post #896 » by **Bulls1983** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:02 pm

I would really like if the Bulls get a 2nd round draft pick and select Tomas Santoranski, the kid is really good.

blumeany · Post #897 » by **blumeany** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:03 pm

There's definitely people on this board afraid of losing Deng and those not afraid. Count me as those not afraid. I am of the opinion that not only can we not do worse than Deng, but most likely we can do better. Maybe it won't be a one-for-one-we've-replaced-what-Deng-did-for-us move, but I think the right trade can improve the overall team and put us in better position to win it all. IMHO, 'standing pat' with Deng will only result in Deng getting older and getting less valuable. At that point, we are forced to either re-sign him, cut him for nothing, or take a worse deal than what we will get today. This team has to look towards improving and getting younger, and the sooner you start, the better.

WinCity · Post #898 » by **WinCity** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:09 pm

GetSeven wrote:The Bulls can do a lot worse than Luol Deng, a lot worse. Don't sell him out unless you get good value, period

Or JR does not want to pay out the ying yang for a non-contender next season...I'm just saying.

MrFortune3 · Post #899 » by **MrFortune3** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:10 pm

AAU Teammate wrote:I get that everyone is frustrated with Derrick's injury.

What I can't understand is the way we allow all our frustrations to get us excited about trading Luol for a lottery pick. Just because fans LOVE visiting draftexpress doesn't mean I want my team to suffer.

I would move Deng if I knew it got me Taj and Omer and Mirotic all comfortably in place, with a shot at maybe some more cap room.

But Deng may be more valuable than those guys. Omer is elite at one thing, bad at the rest. Taj is good at most things, great at none. Mirotic is a total question mark.

This is just a general point, but I really think some people here will rue being so quick to get Deng out of here. He has covered up a lot of holes for this franchise, and yet right now all we do is discuss his lack of dribbling/making his own shot. Fact is he gives you so much else in basically every other realm of the game. That's why he's worth that paycheck. You use him to cover up 120 warts on the roster.

the reason is to get the team younger, next season is a slight lost year with Rose out for most of the season. if you hit on the draft pick you get a legit #2 to pair with Rose and we finally have a 1-2 punch to truly be a championship contender for a long duration.

if you keep the current team in place you have 4-5 years left before you have to re-tool and Rose will never allow us to get back into the lottery because he's too damn good so it's possible that short of FA we'll never get a legit #2.

plus Luol is the only Bull with enough value outside of Rose who could be moved and net us a top pick. so now the question is which path do you take as the Bulls? the long-term potential shot? or the short term actual shot?

sco · Post #900 » by **sco** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:17 pm

AAU Teammate wrote:I get that everyone is frustrated with Derrick's injury.

What I can't understand is the way we allow all our frustrations to get us excited about trading Luol for a lottery pick. Just because fans LOVE visiting draftexpress doesn't mean I want my team to suffer.

I would move Deng if I knew it got me Taj and Omer and Mirotic all comfortably in place, with a shot at maybe some more cap room.

But Deng may be more valuable than those guys. Omer is elite at one thing, bad at the rest. Taj is good at most things, great at none. Mirotic is a total question mark.

This is just a general point, but I really think some people here will rue being so quick to get Deng out of here. He has covered up a lot of holes for this franchise, and yet right now all we do is discuss his lack of dribbling/making his own shot. Fact is he gives you so much else in basically every other realm of the game. That's why he's worth that paycheck. You use him to cover up 120 warts on the roster.

Well said. My view on other people's views on Deng center on a few points:

1) As you said, we are sad/mad that Rose will be out/less than 100% next season and we emotionally want something to give us hope of not "wasting the season"...e.g. not using time to develop a high potential prospect.

2) Most people value Deng, but the fact that we can get "a chance" that a guy we draft 5-8 is that elusive 2nd option scorer, even though statistically, they are more likely not to be. Kinda like playing Lottery, you know that the expected value on that $1 is less than $1, but you play anyway because of the emotional chance of a big win.

3) There is anger at Deng who is making a conscious decision to either not be healthy (no surgery) or be recouping for first 2 months, in order to play for GB.

4) There is excitement that teams were excited about trading for Deng (for the first time in a couple of years) after his all-star appearance last year.