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Post#881 » by Moosegary » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:32 am

This is predicated on us drafting a point guard and signing a vet. and Phoenix losing out on Morant.

Dunn & Valentine for Josh Jackson.

Jackson barely plays with Bridges and Warren so maybe take a gamble on the early lotto pick. Think he is tall enough to play a little small ball 4.
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Post#882 » by StunnerKO » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:35 pm

Jackson barley gonna play here
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Post#883 » by Chi town » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:46 pm

Moosegary wrote:This is predicated on us drafting a point guard and signing a vet. and Phoenix losing out on Morant.

Dunn & Valentine for Josh Jackson.

Jackson barely plays with Bridges and Warren so maybe take a gamble on the early lotto pick. Think he is tall enough to play a little small ball 4.


I like Val more due to his 3 ball.

I’d be down for a Dunn Jackson swap if we draft a PG and sign a vet PG
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Post#884 » by Ccwatercraft » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:08 pm

Davell wrote:To eventually make a large salaried trade within the next 2 years, unless you move Otto, you've got to sign a couple guys inn the 10 mill a year range most likely.


Safe to assume those would have to be players under contract that have viable trade value, ie: not felicio contracts.
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Post#885 » by Ccwatercraft » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:17 pm

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WOnt he be getting fined again for that???

Can’t talk about other teams when you are under contract.

Even if not, seems really disrespectful to your current team/city/fans to be so open like this. I can’t remember another player that was in the media like this trying to leave their team. It’s pretty distasteful IMO. I hope this isn’t the norm in the future.


I didn't watch the clip (not lazy just indifferent) but it seems to me he'd be better of just saying no comment to the media blitz and just go about his business, a step further would be to just end the interview every time it comes up.

I put the blame at 50% AD 50% media, both complicit in this, and since the chances that he comes here are very very slim I really don't lose sleep over it.
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Post#886 » by NDave79 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:05 pm

I wonder if the Pelicans will be interested in moving Jrue this off season and go for a proper rebuild. I would think they might value a team who could absorb most of his salary. I was thinking instead using our cap space on a free agent, using it to absorb salaries in a trade brings up a lot more possibilities.

A nice thing with Jrue is that I think he can basically play one or two, so if we drafted a PG who is ready to take over at some point during his contract you could basically split the minutes between drafted PG, Lavine, and Jrue.

I wonder if a deal centered around absorbing the Cap space and Dunn (and maybe some future protected pick) would interest the Pelicans. I know that doesn't sound like much, but Jrue's contract is pretty bad and I could see them wanting to get rid of it and I'm not sure there would be that many teams that are both able to absorb that salary and would want to absorb that salary.

I think we would make the playoffs next year if we made this trade and stayed relatively healthy.
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Post#887 » by sco » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:09 am

NDave79 wrote:I wonder if the Pelicans will be interested in moving Jrue this off season and go for a proper rebuild. I would think they might value a team who could absorb most of his salary. I was thinking instead using our cap space on a free agent, using it to absorb salaries in a trade brings up a lot more possibilities.

A nice thing with Jrue is that I think he can basically play one or two, so if we drafted a PG who is ready to take over at some point during his contract you could basically split the minutes between drafted PG, Lavine, and Jrue.

I wonder if a deal centered around absorbing the Cap space and Dunn (and maybe some future protected pick) would interest the Pelicans. I know that doesn't sound like much, but Jrue's contract is pretty bad and I could see them wanting to get rid of it and I'm not sure there would be that many teams that are both able to absorb that salary and would want to absorb that salary.

I think we would make the playoffs next year if we made this trade and stayed relatively healthy.

Yeah that price is gonna be high, but most of us would do it in a second. Dunn and a future 1st won't likely get that done...maybe add a second rounder and or Hutch/Valentine, but I doubt that works either.
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Post#888 » by NDave79 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:23 am

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NDave79 wrote:I wonder if the Pelicans will be interested in moving Jrue this off season and go for a proper rebuild. I would think they might value a team who could absorb most of his salary. I was thinking instead using our cap space on a free agent, using it to absorb salaries in a trade brings up a lot more possibilities.

A nice thing with Jrue is that I think he can basically play one or two, so if we drafted a PG who is ready to take over at some point during his contract you could basically split the minutes between drafted PG, Lavine, and Jrue.

I wonder if a deal centered around absorbing the Cap space and Dunn (and maybe some future protected pick) would interest the Pelicans. I know that doesn't sound like much, but Jrue's contract is pretty bad and I could see them wanting to get rid of it and I'm not sure there would be that many teams that are both able to absorb that salary and would want to absorb that salary.

I think we would make the playoffs next year if we made this trade and stayed relatively healthy.

Yeah that price is gonna be high, but most of us would do it in a second. Dunn and a future 1st won't likely get that done...maybe add a second rounder and or Hutch/Valentine, but I doubt that works either.


Fair enough. I guess maybe I'm a little spoiled after the Porter trade. Even though Jrue's stats are more impressive, I feel like he is viewed in a similar tier to Otto (probably a little higher this year). Obviously, different types of players, but Otto is also a few years younger. But basically, I like the idea of leveraging our cap space to acquire someone through trade in a similar manner that we used it to acquire Otto.
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Post#891 » by gobullschi » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:20 pm

 
Chicago Receives:
Aaron Gordon
Darius Garland

Orlando Receives:
RJ Barrett
2020 1st (Lottery Protected)
Kris Dunn
Cristiano Felicio

Breakdown of Minutes:

PG: ***Ricky Rubio (28) | *Darius Garland (20)
SG: Zach LaVine (33) | Chandler Hutchison (15)
SF: Otto Porter (33) | Aaron Gordon (7) | Denzel Valentine (8)
PF: Aaron Gordon (25) | Lauri Markkanen (18) | **Darius Bazley (5)
C: Lauri Markkanen (15) | Wendell Carter Jr. (33)



*1st Round Pick
**2nd Round Pick
***Free Agent signing


Lauri Markkanen at Center & WCJ off the Bench:
Zach Lowe reported that Lauri Markkanen was specifically adding weight to play more center. We know he added 15 pounds of muscle in the offseason and he will see extended minutes at center once Robin Lopez is bought out. He wouldn’t play there full time either (about 15 minutes per game) since the Bulls already have Wendell Carter Jr. Although WCJ is a great fit next to Markkanen, his ceiling is limited unless his offensive game takes a huge leap forward. Plus, let’s not pretend like Markkanen and WCJ wouldn’t spend a lot of time on the court together just because WCJ is coming from the bench. He will have his entire rookie contract to show that he can develop an offensive game, but in the meantime, he can develop off the bench (and there is nothing wrong with that) It might help keep the cost down to retain WCJ in the long-term. Gordon’s contract expires when Wendell Carter is a RFA.

Aaron Gordon’s fit on Roster:
Aaron Gordon might make the all-defensive first team this year, his offensive game is considerably more developed than WCJ, and with his elite physical tools his upside is greater.  His ability to play the small forward helps open more minutes for WCJ to have a larger impact, albeit from the bench. This also works well with Otto Porter’s injury history. The aspect of Aaron Gordon’s game that I really love is his passing ability. He is averaging almost 4 assists per game and is only behind Draymond Green, Giannis, Blake Griffin, and Anthony Davis in assists for power forwards.  Plus, can you imagine the dunkfest with Gordon and LaVine?!?


Point Guard
:
The Bulls admitted that they regret not having a veteran point guard on the roster to help develop Kris Dunn. By making this move, the Bulls are still able to have enough cap space to sign a temporary starter like Ricky Rubio until Darius Garland is ready to take the starting role. We’ve already seen glimpses of how adding a capable three-point shooter in the lineup makes things easier for everyone else. Adding another outside shooter is only going to give Zach LaVine more space to drive to the basket and improve his efficiency. Sam Vecenie (the Athletic) compared Darius Garland to former top picks Trae Young and DeAngelo Russell. Having Garland locked up on the rookie scale contract will be more beneficial than extending Kris Dunn with LaVine, Porter and Felicio’s contracts.

Trade Security:

By attaching a lottery protection on the 2020 1st round pick, the Bulls will have some insurance should they not improve as much and as fast as expected. The Bulls are already the youngest team in the NBA and it is time to start building this roster with more established NBA players.

Future NBA Free Agents:

If the Bulls want a chance at signing one of the elite players in the league, they need to start winning games ASAP. The addition of Otto Porter signals that the organization is tired of losing. Adding Aaron Gordon, Ricky Rubio, and Darius Garland should provide a significant improvement. Plus, Aaron Gordon’s contract is unique because the annual salary declines each year. In 2021, he will only be owed 16 million dollars.  This matches up well if the Bulls want to be buyers in free agency in 2021 (right before the Bulls will need to extend Lauri Markkanen). Otto Porter’s max contract will expire, and the Bulls will have an opportunity to either extend him or explore a stacked free agent class:

Anthony Davis
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Bradley Beal
Damian Lilard
Andre Drummond
C.J. McCollum
Victor Oladipo
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Post#892 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:53 pm

gobullschi wrote: 
Chicago Receives:
Aaron Gordon
Darius Garland

Orlando Receives:
RJ Barrett
2020 1st (Lottery Protected)
Kris Dunn
Cristiano Felicio

Breakdown of Minutes:

PG: ***Ricky Rubio (28) | *Darius Garland (20)
SG: Zach LaVine (33) | Chandler Hutchison (15)
SF: Otto Porter (33) | Aaron Gordon (7) | Denzel Valentine (8)
PF: Aaron Gordon (25) | Lauri Markkanen (18) | **Darius Bazley (5)
C: Lauri Markkanen (15) | Wendell Carter Jr. (33)



*1st Round Pick
**2nd Round Pick
***Free Agent signing


Lauri Markkanen at Center & WCJ off the Bench:
Zach Lowe reported that Lauri Markkanen was specifically adding weight to play more center. We know he added 15 pounds of muscle in the offseason and he will see extended minutes at center once Robin Lopez is bought out. He wouldn’t play there full time either (about 15 minutes per game) since the Bulls already have Wendell Carter Jr. Although WCJ is a great fit next to Markkanen, his ceiling is limited unless his offensive game takes a huge leap forward. Plus, let’s not pretend like Markkanen and WCJ wouldn’t spend a lot of time on the court together just because WCJ is coming from the bench. He will have his entire rookie contract to show that he can develop an offensive game, but in the meantime, he can develop off the bench (and there is nothing wrong with that) It might help keep the cost down to retain WCJ in the long-term. Gordon’s contract expires when Wendell Carter is a RFA.

Aaron Gordon’s fit on Roster:
Aaron Gordon might make the all-defensive first team this year, his offensive game is considerably more developed than WCJ, and with his elite physical tools his upside is greater.  His ability to play the small forward helps open more minutes for WCJ to have a larger impact, albeit from the bench. This also works well with Otto Porter’s injury history. The aspect of Aaron Gordon’s game that I really love is his passing ability. He is averaging almost 4 assists per game and is only behind Draymond Green, Giannis, Blake Griffin, and Anthony Davis in assists for power forwards.  Plus, can you imagine the dunkfest with Gordon and LaVine?!?


Point Guard
:
The Bulls admitted that they regret not having a veteran point guard on the roster to help develop Kris Dunn. By making this move, the Bulls are still able to have enough cap space to sign a temporary starter like Ricky Rubio until Darius Garland is ready to take the starting role. We’ve already seen glimpses of how adding a capable three-point shooter in the lineup makes things easier for everyone else. Adding another outside shooter is only going to give Zach LaVine more space to drive to the basket and improve his efficiency. Sam Vecenie (the Athletic) compared Darius Garland to former top picks Trae Young and DeAngelo Russell. Having Garland locked up on the rookie scale contract will be more beneficial than extending Kris Dunn with LaVine, Porter and Felicio’s contracts.

Trade Security:

By attaching a lottery protection on the 2020 1st round pick, the Bulls will have some insurance should they not improve as much and as fast as expected. The Bulls are already the youngest team in the NBA and it is time to start building this roster with more established NBA players.

Future NBA Free Agents:

If the Bulls want a chance at signing one of the elite players in the league, they need to start winning games ASAP. The addition of Otto Porter signals that the organization is tired of losing. Adding Aaron Gordon, Ricky Rubio, and Darius Garland should provide a significant improvement. Plus, Aaron Gordon’s contract is unique because the annual salary declines each year. In 2021, he will only be owed 16 million dollars.  This matches up well if the Bulls want to be buyers in free agency in 2021 (right before the Bulls will need to extend Lauri Markkanen). Otto Porter’s max contract will expire, and the Bulls will have an opportunity to either extend him or explore a stacked free agent class:

Anthony Davis
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Bradley Beal
Damian Lilard
Andre Drummond
C.J. McCollum
Victor Oladipo


No. Hell no. We aren't moving Lauri to center for a tweener that is worse than Markkanen and Porter. Carter is our starting center unless we get Zion.
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Post#893 » by sco » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:51 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
gobullschi wrote: 
Chicago Receives:
Aaron Gordon
Darius Garland

Orlando Receives:
RJ Barrett
2020 1st (Lottery Protected)
Kris Dunn
Cristiano Felicio

Breakdown of Minutes:

PG: ***Ricky Rubio (28) | *Darius Garland (20)
SG: Zach LaVine (33) | Chandler Hutchison (15)
SF: Otto Porter (33) | Aaron Gordon (7) | Denzel Valentine (8)
PF: Aaron Gordon (25) | Lauri Markkanen (18) | **Darius Bazley (5)
C: Lauri Markkanen (15) | Wendell Carter Jr. (33)



*1st Round Pick
**2nd Round Pick
***Free Agent signing


Lauri Markkanen at Center & WCJ off the Bench:
Zach Lowe reported that Lauri Markkanen was specifically adding weight to play more center. We know he added 15 pounds of muscle in the offseason and he will see extended minutes at center once Robin Lopez is bought out. He wouldn’t play there full time either (about 15 minutes per game) since the Bulls already have Wendell Carter Jr. Although WCJ is a great fit next to Markkanen, his ceiling is limited unless his offensive game takes a huge leap forward. Plus, let’s not pretend like Markkanen and WCJ wouldn’t spend a lot of time on the court together just because WCJ is coming from the bench. He will have his entire rookie contract to show that he can develop an offensive game, but in the meantime, he can develop off the bench (and there is nothing wrong with that) It might help keep the cost down to retain WCJ in the long-term. Gordon’s contract expires when Wendell Carter is a RFA.

Aaron Gordon’s fit on Roster:
Aaron Gordon might make the all-defensive first team this year, his offensive game is considerably more developed than WCJ, and with his elite physical tools his upside is greater.  His ability to play the small forward helps open more minutes for WCJ to have a larger impact, albeit from the bench. This also works well with Otto Porter’s injury history. The aspect of Aaron Gordon’s game that I really love is his passing ability. He is averaging almost 4 assists per game and is only behind Draymond Green, Giannis, Blake Griffin, and Anthony Davis in assists for power forwards.  Plus, can you imagine the dunkfest with Gordon and LaVine?!?


Point Guard
:
The Bulls admitted that they regret not having a veteran point guard on the roster to help develop Kris Dunn. By making this move, the Bulls are still able to have enough cap space to sign a temporary starter like Ricky Rubio until Darius Garland is ready to take the starting role. We’ve already seen glimpses of how adding a capable three-point shooter in the lineup makes things easier for everyone else. Adding another outside shooter is only going to give Zach LaVine more space to drive to the basket and improve his efficiency. Sam Vecenie (the Athletic) compared Darius Garland to former top picks Trae Young and DeAngelo Russell. Having Garland locked up on the rookie scale contract will be more beneficial than extending Kris Dunn with LaVine, Porter and Felicio’s contracts.

Trade Security:

By attaching a lottery protection on the 2020 1st round pick, the Bulls will have some insurance should they not improve as much and as fast as expected. The Bulls are already the youngest team in the NBA and it is time to start building this roster with more established NBA players.

Future NBA Free Agents:

If the Bulls want a chance at signing one of the elite players in the league, they need to start winning games ASAP. The addition of Otto Porter signals that the organization is tired of losing. Adding Aaron Gordon, Ricky Rubio, and Darius Garland should provide a significant improvement. Plus, Aaron Gordon’s contract is unique because the annual salary declines each year. In 2021, he will only be owed 16 million dollars.  This matches up well if the Bulls want to be buyers in free agency in 2021 (right before the Bulls will need to extend Lauri Markkanen). Otto Porter’s max contract will expire, and the Bulls will have an opportunity to either extend him or explore a stacked free agent class:

Anthony Davis
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Bradley Beal
Damian Lilard
Andre Drummond
C.J. McCollum
Victor Oladipo


No. Hell no. We aren't moving Lauri to center for a tweener that is worse than Markkanen and Porter. Carter is our starting center unless we get Zion.

I think the biggest problems with that trade are:
1) Including a second 1st rounder
2) Taking Aaron Gordon back. It's not that he's bad, but he's not better than our SF or PF.

I'd rather just draft Garland than that.
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Post#894 » by HomoSapien » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:25 am

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Post#895 » by gobullschi » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:41 pm

sco wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
gobullschi wrote: 
Chicago Receives:
Aaron Gordon
Darius Garland

Orlando Receives:
RJ Barrett
2020 1st (Lottery Protected)
Kris Dunn
Cristiano Felicio

Breakdown of Minutes:

PG: ***Ricky Rubio (28) | *Darius Garland (20)
SG: Zach LaVine (33) | Chandler Hutchison (15)
SF: Otto Porter (33) | Aaron Gordon (7) | Denzel Valentine (8)
PF: Aaron Gordon (25) | Lauri Markkanen (18) | **Darius Bazley (5)
C: Lauri Markkanen (15) | Wendell Carter Jr. (33)



*1st Round Pick
**2nd Round Pick
***Free Agent signing


Lauri Markkanen at Center & WCJ off the Bench:
Zach Lowe reported that Lauri Markkanen was specifically adding weight to play more center. We know he added 15 pounds of muscle in the offseason and he will see extended minutes at center once Robin Lopez is bought out. He wouldn’t play there full time either (about 15 minutes per game) since the Bulls already have Wendell Carter Jr. Although WCJ is a great fit next to Markkanen, his ceiling is limited unless his offensive game takes a huge leap forward. Plus, let’s not pretend like Markkanen and WCJ wouldn’t spend a lot of time on the court together just because WCJ is coming from the bench. He will have his entire rookie contract to show that he can develop an offensive game, but in the meantime, he can develop off the bench (and there is nothing wrong with that) It might help keep the cost down to retain WCJ in the long-term. Gordon’s contract expires when Wendell Carter is a RFA.

Aaron Gordon’s fit on Roster:
Aaron Gordon might make the all-defensive first team this year, his offensive game is considerably more developed than WCJ, and with his elite physical tools his upside is greater.  His ability to play the small forward helps open more minutes for WCJ to have a larger impact, albeit from the bench. This also works well with Otto Porter’s injury history. The aspect of Aaron Gordon’s game that I really love is his passing ability. He is averaging almost 4 assists per game and is only behind Draymond Green, Giannis, Blake Griffin, and Anthony Davis in assists for power forwards.  Plus, can you imagine the dunkfest with Gordon and LaVine?!?


Point Guard
:
The Bulls admitted that they regret not having a veteran point guard on the roster to help develop Kris Dunn. By making this move, the Bulls are still able to have enough cap space to sign a temporary starter like Ricky Rubio until Darius Garland is ready to take the starting role. We’ve already seen glimpses of how adding a capable three-point shooter in the lineup makes things easier for everyone else. Adding another outside shooter is only going to give Zach LaVine more space to drive to the basket and improve his efficiency. Sam Vecenie (the Athletic) compared Darius Garland to former top picks Trae Young and DeAngelo Russell. Having Garland locked up on the rookie scale contract will be more beneficial than extending Kris Dunn with LaVine, Porter and Felicio’s contracts.

Trade Security:

By attaching a lottery protection on the 2020 1st round pick, the Bulls will have some insurance should they not improve as much and as fast as expected. The Bulls are already the youngest team in the NBA and it is time to start building this roster with more established NBA players.

Future NBA Free Agents:

If the Bulls want a chance at signing one of the elite players in the league, they need to start winning games ASAP. The addition of Otto Porter signals that the organization is tired of losing. Adding Aaron Gordon, Ricky Rubio, and Darius Garland should provide a significant improvement. Plus, Aaron Gordon’s contract is unique because the annual salary declines each year. In 2021, he will only be owed 16 million dollars.  This matches up well if the Bulls want to be buyers in free agency in 2021 (right before the Bulls will need to extend Lauri Markkanen). Otto Porter’s max contract will expire, and the Bulls will have an opportunity to either extend him or explore a stacked free agent class:

Anthony Davis
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Bradley Beal
Damian Lilard
Andre Drummond
C.J. McCollum
Victor Oladipo


No. Hell no. We aren't moving Lauri to center for a tweener that is worse than Markkanen and Porter. Carter is our starting center unless we get Zion.

I think the biggest problems with that trade are:
1) Including a second 1st rounder
2) Taking Aaron Gordon back. It's not that he's bad, but he's not better than our SF or PF.

I'd rather just draft Garland than that.


The Magic don't pull the trigger on the deal without the 2020 1st. It's lottery protected anyways. Odds are that Aaron Gordon will be significantly better than anyone we will draft outside the lottery. It doesn't decrease the time any of our core players are on the floor.

 I swear people are so obsessed with draft picks. Look at the players selected outside the lottery the last 5 years. Once your picking outside the lottery it is such a crapshoot.

I understand that finding a point guard would be ideal but the ones (possibly) available are all going to be 29 years old next year. It isn't realistic to expect a player to (magically) become available that fills are greatest need.
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Post#896 » by sco » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:18 pm

gobullschi wrote:The Magic don't pull the trigger on the deal without the 2020 1st. It's lottery protected anyways. Odds are that Aaron Gordon will be significantly better than anyone we will draft outside the lottery. It doesn't decrease the time any of our core players are on the floor.

 I swear people are so obsessed with draft picks. Look at the players selected outside the lottery the last 5 years. Once your picking outside the lottery it is such a crapshoot.

I understand that finding a point guard would be ideal but the ones (possibly) available are all going to be 29 years old next year. It isn't realistic to expect a player to (magically) become available that fills are greatest need.

I think my issue is that I don't see adding a high priced starting talent into the mix of Porter, Lauri, WCJ adding enough to warrant giving up a first AND having the money we'd otherwise be spending on Gordon to fill other holes.
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Post#897 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:56 pm

sco wrote:
gobullschi wrote:The Magic don't pull the trigger on the deal without the 2020 1st. It's lottery protected anyways. Odds are that Aaron Gordon will be significantly better than anyone we will draft outside the lottery. It doesn't decrease the time any of our core players are on the floor.

 I swear people are so obsessed with draft picks. Look at the players selected outside the lottery the last 5 years. Once your picking outside the lottery it is such a crapshoot.

I understand that finding a point guard would be ideal but the ones (possibly) available are all going to be 29 years old next year. It isn't realistic to expect a player to (magically) become available that fills are greatest need.

I think my issue is that I don't see adding a high priced starting talent into the mix of Porter, Lauri, WCJ adding enough to warrant giving up a first AND having the money we'd otherwise be spending on Gordon to fill other holes.


Gordon is not a good fit here regardless. We can get a PG through draft and/or free agency without taking on player we don't need on a big contract or giving up a pick.
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Post#898 » by gobullschi » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:51 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
sco wrote:
gobullschi wrote:The Magic don't pull the trigger on the deal without the 2020 1st. It's lottery protected anyways. Odds are that Aaron Gordon will be significantly better than anyone we will draft outside the lottery. It doesn't decrease the time any of our core players are on the floor.

 I swear people are so obsessed with draft picks. Look at the players selected outside the lottery the last 5 years. Once your picking outside the lottery it is such a crapshoot.

I understand that finding a point guard would be ideal but the ones (possibly) available are all going to be 29 years old next year. It isn't realistic to expect a player to (magically) become available that fills are greatest need.

I think my issue is that I don't see adding a high priced starting talent into the mix of Porter, Lauri, WCJ adding enough to warrant giving up a first AND having the money we'd otherwise be spending on Gordon to fill other holes.


Gordon is not a good fit here regardless. We can get a PG through draft and/or free agency without taking on player we don't need on a big contract or giving up a pick.


Who else are we going to sign with that money?
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Post#899 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:47 pm

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sco wrote:I think my issue is that I don't see adding a high priced starting talent into the mix of Porter, Lauri, WCJ adding enough to warrant giving up a first AND having the money we'd otherwise be spending on Gordon to fill other holes.


Gordon is not a good fit here regardless. We can get a PG through draft and/or free agency without taking on player we don't need on a big contract or giving up a pick.


Who else are we going to sign with that money?


A good veteran point guard and/or some depth for our pathetic bench. I would say those are more pressing issues than a tweener that is inferior to Markkanen and Porter. Porter made sense because fit a need. Gordon doesn't. Not for $20 million at least. He would fit about as well as Jabari Parker did.
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Re: Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed 

Post#900 » by gobullschi » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:23 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
gobullschi wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Gordon is not a good fit here regardless. We can get a PG through draft and/or free agency without taking on player we don't need on a big contract or giving up a pick.


Who else are we going to sign with that money?


A good veteran point guard and/or some depth for our pathetic bench. I would say those are more pressing issues than a tweener that is inferior to Markkanen and Porter. Porter made sense because fit a need. Gordon doesn't. Not for $20 million at least. He would fit about as well as Jabari Parker did.
Jabari Parker and Aaron Gordon aren't on the same level. One player can play defense and both forward positions and we learned Jabari can't.

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