2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

heir_jordan22 · Post #881 » by **heir_jordan22** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:04 am

coldfish wrote:How would you guys feel if it went like this?
1. Zion
2. Morant
3. Barrett
4. Garland
5. Reddish
6. White

Get to pick between Culver and Hunter. I would take Hunter. I disagree with those completely dismissing him. I think his ceiling is Paul George and his floor is relatively high.

I said on lottery day that one of Garland, Culver or Hunter would be available at 7. I feel that more strongly right now, although my hopes of Garland have faded to almost zero.

Hunter reminds me more of Jimmy. They're both very strong physical specimens, but they're a little stiff. Don't have advanced handles, but have good ball control and get to their spots. PG has guard handles, which I don't see in Hunter.

mack2354 · Post #882 » by **mack2354** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:13 am

bearadonisdna wrote:
mack2354 wrote:It wouldn't surprise me in the least for the Cavs to get Reddish. Cleveland isn't a FA destination so they have to draft a star if they want one. I think that will push them to go w/ the prospect with the highest ceiling rather than BPA.

For the opposite reason, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Knicks go Garland, Hunter, or Culver instead of RJ. If the Knicks feel confident they will get a star or 2 in Free Agency they may go for the shooter or 3 & D type player rather than "needs the ball in his hands" type prospect that RJ is.

I really think New York, LA, or Cleveland will surprise everyone w/ their pick.

Ideally NY would trade their pick for AD.
Otherwise, rj is still pretty much a no brainer at 3.

A no brainer in "your" opinion. It's not a consensus no brainer like Zion at #1 is.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-draft-2019-rumors-news-zion-williamson-agent-search-jarrett-culver-will-land/cj54bc7ppacr1o43wxer66kd7

https://www.lakersnation.com/2019-nba-draft-rumors-knicks-could-consider-selecting-jarrett-culver-over-rj-barrett-with-no-3-pick/2019/05/27/

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/nydn-nba-draft-profile-knicks-target-jarrett-culver-of-texas-tech-20190522-story.html

https://heavy.com/sports/2019/05/knicks-jarrett-culver-lakers-rj-barrett-nba-draft/

dumbell78 · Post #883 » by **dumbell78** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:58 am

I expect both Garland and White to be gone by #7, and I'm pretty much locked in on Hunter for my money.

BigUps · Post #884 » by **BigUps** » Tue May 28, 2019 1:14 am

I know this draft isn't deep on paper, but even knowing that I'm still surprised so many are sold on Garland despite not seeing much from him due to his injury. You're basically drafting a high schooler. Thats how much tape there is of him in worthwhile college games. Meanwhile, if people post high school videos of other prospects they are "poo-pooed"

Its just a very odd groupthink on Garland right now. I find it really interesting how he's separated himself so far from Coby White who has proven himself on the big stage.

Garland is an incredibly risky pick, but you wouldn't think that if you just came to the board casually and read it. You'd think this guy was a surefire PG around these parts of town. Its reminiscent of this boards thoughts on Jonny Flynn in 2009.

I think Garland could easily drop to us at 7 and it will be because of all the reasons I listed above. Too much uncertainty around him.

bad knees · Post #885 » by **bad knees** » Tue May 28, 2019 1:38 am

I think the Bulls will sit at 7 and take whoever falls to them among Garland, White, Culver or Hunter. I still think that they are the one who has a promise with Garland.

But if the Bulls end up with a wing at 7, I would like to trade up from 38 to draft Carsen Edwards. I went to the Stepien to read about Garland and White, and ran headlong into their total man crush on Edwards. And I have to say, I think they convinced me.

Can shoot threes like Trae and Steph, and can get to the rack. Not a big assist guy historically, but as the Stepien points out, his long distance shooting can open the court for others.

On defense, he’s 6’0.5” and 199 pounds with a 6’6” wingspan. He tested off the charts on agility at the Combine. With that strength, quickness and wingspan, he has the tools to develop into a plus defender.

bad knees · Post #886 » by **bad knees** » Tue May 28, 2019 1:41 am

Double post

Chi town · Post #887 » by **Chi town** » Tue May 28, 2019 1:43 am

bad knees wrote:The Bulls will sit at 7 and take whoever falls to them among Garland, White, Culver or Hunter. I still think that they are the one who has a promise with Garland.

But if the Bulls end up with a wing at 7, I would like to trade up from 38 to draft Carsen Edwards. I went to the Stepien to read about Garland and White, and ran headlong into their total man crush on Edwards. And I have to say, I think they convinced me.

Can shoot threes like Trae and Steph, and can get to the rack. Not a big assist guy historically, but as the Stepien points out, his long distance shooting can open the court for others.

On defense, he’s 6’0.5” and 199 pounds with a 6’6” wingspan. He tested off the charts on agility at the Combine. With that strength, quickness and wingspan, he could develop into a plus defender.

I think they will sit and take who is there too unless CLE is willing to trade back to 7 for something minor like Dunn in order for them to get Garland.

I liked Edwards as a backup PG and scorer off the bench. I do t want to draft two PGs though.

bad knees · Post #888 » by **bad knees** » Tue May 28, 2019 1:55 am

Chi town wrote:
bad knees wrote:The Bulls will sit at 7 and take whoever falls to them among Garland, White, Culver or Hunter. I still think that they are the one who has a promise with Garland.

But if the Bulls end up with a wing at 7, I would like to trade up from 38 to draft Carsen Edwards. I went to the Stepien to read about Garland and White, and ran headlong into their total man crush on Edwards. And I have to say, I think they convinced me.

Can shoot threes like Trae and Steph, and can get to the rack. Not a big assist guy historically, but as the Stepien points out, his long distance shooting can open the court for others.

On defense, he’s 6’0.5” and 199 pounds with a 6’6” wingspan. He tested off the charts on agility at the Combine. With that strength, quickness and wingspan, he could develop into a plus defender.

I think they will sit and take who is there too unless CLE is willing to trade back to 7 for something minor like Dunn in order for them to get Garland.

I liked Edwards as a backup PG and scorer off the bench. I do t want to draft two PGs though.

I agree the CLE is the most likely trade partner, and I’d give up Dunn in a heartbeat if that is all it takes.

As I mentioned, I am for drafting Edwards only if the Bulls take a wing at 7.

If there is no PG at 7, I would almost want the Bulls trade down with the Celtics. Trade 7 for 14 and 20. Take Little at 14 and Edwards at 20. Or trade down again with the Nets (17 and 31) or the Spurs (19 and 29). There are a lot of guys in the 20’s who I like almost as much as the guys at 7. My favs are Edwards, Cam Johnson, Luka Samancic and Kabengele.

boozapalooza · Post #889 » by **boozapalooza** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:02 am

bad knees wrote:I think the Bulls will sit at 7 and take whoever falls to them among Garland, White, Culver or Hunter. I still think that they are the one who has a promise with Garland.

But if the Bulls end up with a wing at 7, I would like to trade up from 38 to draft Carsen Edwards. I went to the Stepien to read about Garland and White, and ran headlong into their total man crush on Edwards. And I have to say, I think they convinced me.

Can shoot threes like Trae and Steph, and can get to the rack. Not a big assist guy historically, but as the Stepien points out, his long distance shooting can open the court for others.

On defense, he’s 6’0.5” and 199 pounds with a 6’6” wingspan. He tested off the charts on agility at the Combine. With that strength, quickness and wingspan, he has the tools to develop into a plus defender.

Agreed on us going BPA from that group of four. As of now, it sounds like Hunter and Culver will be gone before 7. Word has been that Hunter to the Lakers is a very real possibility at 4. And if the rumor about White receiving a top-6 promise is true, good chance Garland falls to us at 7.

Garland is the ultimate boom or bust pick in that draft and that’s exactly why he’s the perfect fit for us. We need to swing for the fences with our pick, whatever position it may be. Take the chance on Garland becoming a Lillard type player. White is more proven at the college level and has a higher floor then Garland. But anyone who watched UNC this year knows he does not have star potential in the NBA.

knickstape4ever · Post #890 » by **knickstape4ever** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:07 am

How would Bulls fans feel about Dennis Smith Jr. for #7? Garland is likely gone before #7, and IMO DSJ is a better prospect than Coby White (and more of a true PG than White). I love DSJ and I think he'll be a future all-star caliber PG, but if Kyrie is coming to the Knicks, DSJ would be expendable

Plus, this is the 3rd year in a row of having the #7 pick, and IMO Lauri and Wendell (who I wanted for the Knicks) were better prospects than what will be available at #7 this year

The Box Office · Post #891 » by **The Box Office** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:15 am

boozapalooza wrote:
bad knees wrote:I think the Bulls will sit at 7 and take whoever falls to them among Garland, White, Culver or Hunter. I still think that they are the one who has a promise with Garland.

But if the Bulls end up with a wing at 7, I would like to trade up from 38 to draft Carsen Edwards. I went to the Stepien to read about Garland and White, and ran headlong into their total man crush on Edwards. And I have to say, I think they convinced me.

Can shoot threes like Trae and Steph, and can get to the rack. Not a big assist guy historically, but as the Stepien points out, his long distance shooting can open the court for others.

On defense, he’s 6’0.5” and 199 pounds with a 6’6” wingspan. He tested off the charts on agility at the Combine. With that strength, quickness and wingspan, he has the tools to develop into a plus defender.

Agreed on us going BPA from that group of four. As of now, it sounds like Hunter and Culver will be gone before 7. Word has been that Hunter to the Lakers is a very real possibility at 4. And if the rumor about White receiving a top-6 promise is true, good chance Garland falls to us at 7.

Garland is the ultimate boom or bust pick in that draft and that’s exactly why he’s the perfect fit for us. We need to swing for the fences with our pick, whatever position it may be. Take the chance on Garland becoming a Lillard type player. White is more proven at the college level and has a higher floor then Garland.[size=200] But anyone who watched UNC this year knows he does not have star potential in the NBA.

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The truth is NO ONE knows. Not me. Not you. No one here in RealGM. Not even the mods. No one on ESPN. No one at the Stepien/Youtube podcasts/whatever column.

No one knew that Gilbert Arenas was going to be a Agent Zero Superstar before he was drafted. No one knew that Jokic had superstar potential back when he was drafted. No one knew that Dennis Rodman had Hall of Fame stud defensive player potential before he was drafted.

This is the same board who, overwhelmingly with enthusiasm, wanted Michael Porter Jr.

wonderboy2 · Post #892 » by **wonderboy2** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:17 am

knickstape4ever wrote:How would Bulls fans feel about Dennis Smith Jr. for #7? Garland is likely gone before #7, and IMO DSJ is a better prospect than Coby White (and more of a true PG than White). I love DSJ and I think he'll be a future all-star caliber PG, but if Kyrie is coming to the Knicks, DSJ would be expendable

Plus, this is the 3rd year in a row of having the #7 pick, and IMO Lauri and Wendell (who I wanted for the Knicks) were better prospects than what will be available at #7 this year

I liked DSJ comming out of college but I wouldn’t t make that trade. Bulls should just pick BPA and then try to sign a Point guard in Free agency.

bad knees · Post #893 » by **bad knees** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:22 am

knickstape4ever wrote:How would Bulls fans feel about Dennis Smith Jr. for #7? Garland is likely gone before #7, and IMO DSJ is a better prospect than Coby White (and more of a true PG than White). I love DSJ and I think he'll be a future all-star caliber PG, but if Kyrie is coming to the Knicks, DSJ would be expendable

Plus, this is the 3rd year in a row of having the #7 pick, and IMO Lauri and Wendell (who I wanted for the Knicks) were better prospects than what will be available at #7 this year

Are the Knicks confident enough that Kyrie is coming that they would do a draft night trade? Hate to trade DSJ and then watch Kyrie go to BKN.

knickstape4ever · Post #894 » by **knickstape4ever** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:27 am

wonderboy2 wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:How would Bulls fans feel about Dennis Smith Jr. for #7? Garland is likely gone before #7, and IMO DSJ is a better prospect than Coby White (and more of a true PG than White). I love DSJ and I think he'll be a future all-star caliber PG, but if Kyrie is coming to the Knicks, DSJ would be expendable

Plus, this is the 3rd year in a row of having the #7 pick, and IMO Lauri and Wendell (who I wanted for the Knicks) were better prospects than what will be available at #7 this year

I liked DSJ comming out of college but I wouldn’t t make that trade. Bulls should just pick BPA and then try to sign a Point guard in Free agency.

but which FA PG? Bulls wont be players for Kyrie or Kemba. D'Lo and Rozier are both RFA's. D'Lo will be matched; Rozier will likely depend on what happens with Kyrie

Rubio and Dragic are the starting caliber PG's left who are attainable via UFA

wonderboy2 · Post #895 » by **wonderboy2** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:32 am

knickstape4ever wrote:
wonderboy2 wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:How would Bulls fans feel about Dennis Smith Jr. for #7? Garland is likely gone before #7, and IMO DSJ is a better prospect than Coby White (and more of a true PG than White). I love DSJ and I think he'll be a future all-star caliber PG, but if Kyrie is coming to the Knicks, DSJ would be expendable

Plus, this is the 3rd year in a row of having the #7 pick, and IMO Lauri and Wendell (who I wanted for the Knicks) were better prospects than what will be available at #7 this year

I liked DSJ comming out of college but I wouldn’t t make that trade. Bulls should just pick BPA and then try to sign a Point guard in Free agency.

but which FA PG? Bulls wont be players for Kyrie or Kemba. D'Lo and Rozier are both RFA's. D'Lo will be matched; Rozier will likely depend on what happens with Kyrie

Rubio and Dragic are the starting caliber PG's left who are attainable via UFA

Honestly I would rather go after Brogdon even though he’s restricted or Rubio, Collison, Pat Beverly, Rose. DSJ just haven’t showed me enough and this is comming from somebody that has followed him and liked him since his sophomore year in highschool.

knickstape4ever · Post #896 » by **knickstape4ever** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:33 am

bad knees wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:How would Bulls fans feel about Dennis Smith Jr. for #7? Garland is likely gone before #7, and IMO DSJ is a better prospect than Coby White (and more of a true PG than White). I love DSJ and I think he'll be a future all-star caliber PG, but if Kyrie is coming to the Knicks, DSJ would be expendable

Plus, this is the 3rd year in a row of having the #7 pick, and IMO Lauri and Wendell (who I wanted for the Knicks) were better prospects than what will be available at #7 this year

Are the Knicks confident enough that Kyrie is coming that they would do a draft night trade? Hate to trade DSJ and then watch Kyrie go to BKN.

yep, that would be a nightmare, but trading KP to open up a 2nd max spot was a big gamble if they weren't confident.

Dresden · Post #897 » by **Dresden** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:35 am

BigUps wrote:I know this draft isn't deep on paper, but even knowing that I'm still surprised so many are sold on Garland despite not seeing much from him due to his injury. You're basically drafting a high schooler. Thats how much tape there is of him in worthwhile college games. Meanwhile, if people post high school videos of other prospects they are "poo-pooed"

Its just a very odd groupthink on Garland right now. I find it really interesting how he's separated himself so far from Coby White who has proven himself on the big stage.

Garland is an incredibly risky pick, but you wouldn't think that if you just came to the board casually and read it. You'd think this guy was a surefire PG around these parts of town. Its reminiscent of this boards thoughts on Jonny Flynn in 2009.

I think Garland could easily drop to us at 7 and it will be because of all the reasons I listed above. Too much uncertainty around him.

I agree about Garland's stock being a bit inflated. But it's not just this board- mocks have him going high, too. Some at 4, almost all in top 6, and ahead of White in most cases. I don't quite get it either- he seemed to vault up about 8 spots as soon as the NCAA's ended.

bad knees · Post #898 » by **bad knees** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:39 am

knickstape4ever wrote:
bad knees wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:How would Bulls fans feel about Dennis Smith Jr. for #7? Garland is likely gone before #7, and IMO DSJ is a better prospect than Coby White (and more of a true PG than White). I love DSJ and I think he'll be a future all-star caliber PG, but if Kyrie is coming to the Knicks, DSJ would be expendable

Plus, this is the 3rd year in a row of having the #7 pick, and IMO Lauri and Wendell (who I wanted for the Knicks) were better prospects than what will be available at #7 this year

Are the Knicks confident enough that Kyrie is coming that they would do a draft night trade? Hate to trade DSJ and then watch Kyrie go to BKN.

yep, that would be a nightmare, but trading KP to open up a 2nd max spot was a big gamble if they weren't confident.

Okay then. Let’s talk DSJ. I liked him coming out of the draft, but I don’t think he’s the kind of PG that the Bulls want or need right now. You likely missed it in the middle of the Bulls’ historically bad offensive season, but the Bulls actually had one of the league’s highest ranked offense during the month of February, running a multiple ball handler offense. By all accounts they will try to replicate that this year (injuries and the tank led them away from it after Feb). They need a PG who can be useful without the ball in his hands and can help cover for Lavine on defense (hence the infatuation with Brogdon). I think that DSJ is excluded on both considerations.

knickstape4ever · Post #899 » by **knickstape4ever** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:45 am

wonderboy2 wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
wonderboy2 wrote:I liked DSJ comming out of college but I wouldn’t t make that trade. Bulls should just pick BPA and then try to sign a Point guard in Free agency.

but which FA PG? Bulls wont be players for Kyrie or Kemba. D'Lo and Rozier are both RFA's. D'Lo will be matched; Rozier will likely depend on what happens with Kyrie

Rubio and Dragic are the starting caliber PG's left who are attainable via UFA

Honestly I would rather go after Brogdon even though he’s restricted or Rubio, Collison, Pat Beverly, Rose. DSJ just haven’t showed me enough and this is comming from somebody that has followed him and liked him since his sophomore year in highschool.

Brogdon isn't really a true PG and he'll very likely be matched as a RFA. Neither is Beverley who is also more of a 3-D guard than a lead guard/distributor. Collison would be solid, but he and Dragic are getting old and their production isn't gonna get any better. They're avg players at this point. I didn't even think of Rose because 1) I don't think he can sustain 2018-2019 2) I didn't think bulls fans wanted a reunion

People are really too quick to give up on young talent. It takes time for these guys to develop. Look no further than D'Lo. people thought he was a bust, he was traded for pennies on the dollar, and now BKN got an all-star caliber player

knickstape4ever · Post #900 » by **knickstape4ever** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:48 am

bad knees wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
bad knees wrote:
Are the Knicks confident enough that Kyrie is coming that they would do a draft night trade? Hate to trade DSJ and then watch Kyrie go to BKN.

yep, that would be a nightmare, but trading KP to open up a 2nd max spot was a big gamble if they weren't confident.

Okay then. Let’s talk DSJ. I liked him coming out of the draft, but I don’t think he’s the kind of PG that the Bulls want or need right now. You likely missed it in the middle of the Bulls’ historically bad offensive season, but the Bulls actually had one of the league’s highest ranked offense during the month of February, running a multiple ball handler offense. By all accounts they will try to replicate that this year (injuries and the tank led them away from it after Feb). They need a PG who can be useful without the ball in his hands and can help cover for Lavine on defense. I think that DSJ is excluded on both considerations.

fair point; I didn't watch the Bulls this season, so wasn't aware DSJ wouldnt be the best fit. I'm trying to gauge what the market would be for DSJ if the Knicks were to land Kyrie; gonna ask Suns fans as well b/c they could definitely use a PG