2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

[PlayerUp]

I have a feeling AK will surprise everyone with this pick as much as the head coaching pick.
The guy definitely doesn't like to play conservatively.

Porter Jr
Bol Bol

That was his last 2 picks so he typically goes for high ceiling higher risk picks.

[HINrichPolice]

I'm surprised people wouldn't be excited to have Wiseman fall to us.

To me, he seems like a better prospect than someone like Marvin Bagley out of college. He's got skill and more importantly, LEGIT size. He's not someone that's a little skinnier or shorter than what you'd want for a C.

[PlayerUp]

I'm surprised people wouldn't be excited to have Wiseman fall to us.

To me, he seems like a better prospect than someone like Marvin Bagley out of college. He's got skill and more importantly, LEGIT size. He's not someone that's a little skinnier or shorter than what you'd want for a C.

I think we need to see more with Wiseman before we judge him fully. He hasn't played in nearly 10 months.

Right now it looks like the Bulls narrowed down prospects on this board are

Deni
Hayes
Okongwu
Ball
Edwards (unlikely to drop)
Wiseman

and then Haliburton/Vassell if we drop.

6 prospects at #4, 2-3 won't be available at #4.

For me personally, I have no clear pick I want. I am waiting for predraft workouts, measurements before I make a decision.

[Jcool0]

I have a feeling AK will surprise everyone with this pick as much as the head coaching pick.
The guy definitely doesn't like to play conservatively.

Porter Jr
Bol Bol

That was his last 2 picks so he typically goes for high ceiling higher risk picks.

The only risk for Porter was injury risk. Which was a big risk. But at #14 it's easier to do then at #4. This year the choices that fit would be Ball and Wiseman but they are more development issues not injury issues.

[PlayerUp]

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Okongwu please.

No doubt Okongwu has Bam like upside in his game and physical ability. If he can come into predraft workouts and show major improvements in his offensive game, surely he'll move up into possibly the Top 4.

Shooting predraft workouts are quite important for these prospects this year. This draft has weak and unproven shooters in the lottery. Prospects like Deni, Okongwu, Wiseman, Ball, Okoro will rise if they demonstrate improvements in shooting and their offensive games in general.

[MrFortune3]

People need to stop calling this a weak draft. Literally, every year people say that there are 3-5 actual franchise players that come out of it.

Just because you don't see a surefire legend doesn't make the draft weak, it means a team actually has to work to develop players. Which is you know, their job anyway.

[MrFortune3]

I'm surprised people wouldn't be excited to have Wiseman fall to us.

To me, he seems like a better prospect than someone like Marvin Bagley out of college. He's got skill and more importantly, LEGIT size. He's not someone that's a little skinnier or shorter than what you'd want for a C.

I like him a lot for the Bulls. But you have to move Lauri in that scenario cause he's not going to help as a bench guy with WCJ, Gafford and Wiseman needing minutes.

I love Deni because he is the perfect fit for both our needs on offense and from a positional standpoint.
Wiseman though, he changes everything about your defense and rebounding from day 1.

[Leslie Forman]

People need to stop calling this a weak draft. Literally, every year people say that there are 3-5 actual franchise players that come out of it.

Just because you don't see a surefire legend doesn't make the draft weak, it means a team actually has to work to develop players. Which is you know, their job anyway.

This is a weak draft.

Just because Jimmy Butler turned out to be an All-NBA player as a late pick doesn't suddenly mean he was an incredible prospect. Just because Josh Jackson completely flamed out doesn't mean he was a terrible prospect.

If the players in this draft actually end up being great, well you could say that it was actually a good draft class years from now. But as a draft itself, this is one of the most drafts I've ever seen. There's no way in hell we're talking about Anthony Edwards or LaMelo Ball as a possible #1 in a "strong" draft.

[Portiseyes]

Actually it's very different and kind of convoluted case.

Yes, that is what someone would say about a prospect that was absolutely awful in Euroleague.

But really, I don't give a sh*t about the stats. His tape simply isn't that impressive. Neither is Hayes. Don't like either of them, frankly. Just a couple more Markkanen/Carter type low ceiling guys IMO.

I reserve the right to completely change my mind if Karnisovas actually drafts one of them. There must be something they saw that we can't that indicates a higher ceiling then. I feel pretty strongly that he won't, though.

As I said - some people are just decided to ignore stats of the league he played most. Why do those people even look stats of any other player in draft? None of them except Hayes (but his team was demolished in EuroCup which much weaker than Euroleague) played in better league than I-BSL...

And tape.. Everyone has their own impressions from tapes

Yeah but Hayes played well in EuroCup, shot almost 40% from 3 and 90% FT. Seems like he played up to competition, avg'ing 13pts and 9 assists against Euroleague teams Berlin and Munich in BBL. Small sample sizes all around, but what he put on tape looks good to me (ie I see high floor / high ceiling as an NBA playmaker)... and talking about age, KH is one of the youngest in draft, 7 months younger than Deni. Really young dude with massive improvements in the last year...

As for Deni, I agree that he is the most overhyped prospect this year. I simply don't see the athleticism (he's a two-foot jumper and stiff), or shooting (his FT % should be setting off universal alarm bells), or IQ (I see a lot of straight-line drives to the basket and jumping in the air looking for bailout pass (though I give him some credit for making this work decently... just wouldn't call it IQ / game slowed down for him)).

I can't fathom how he's leading the OP poll right now. To me, Hayes is simply way better at the game of basketball. Hoping he's there at 4.

[PlayerUp]

People need to stop calling this a weak draft. Literally, every year people say that there are 3-5 actual franchise players that come out of it.

Just because you don't see a surefire legend doesn't make the draft weak, it means a team actually has to work to develop players. Which is you know, their job anyway.

This is a weak draft.

Just because Jimmy Butler turned out to be an All-NBA player as a late pick doesn't suddenly mean he was an incredible prospect. Just because Josh Jackson completely flamed out doesn't mean he was a terrible prospect.

If the players in this draft actually end up being great, well you could say that it was actually a good draft class years from now. But as a draft itself, this is one of the most drafts I've ever seen. There's no way in hell we're talking about Anthony Edwards or LaMelo Ball as a possible #1 in a "strong" draft.

It's projected to be a weak draft but that doesn't mean it will be. 2019 draft was also heavily criticized as a weak draft outside the Top 3 (Zion/RJ/Morant) but turns out the draft had plenty of star upside prospects outside the top 3.

We can find these type of prospects in this draft as well.

[MrFortune3]

People need to stop calling this a weak draft. Literally, every year people say that there are 3-5 actual franchise players that come out of it.

Just because you don't see a surefire legend doesn't make the draft weak, it means a team actually has to work to develop players. Which is you know, their job anyway.

This is a weak draft.

Just because Jimmy Butler turned out to be an All-NBA player as a late pick doesn't suddenly mean he was an incredible prospect. Just because Josh Jackson completely flamed out doesn't mean he was a terrible prospect.

If the players in this draft actually end up being great, well you could say that it was actually a good draft class years from now. But as a draft itself, this is one of the most drafts I've ever seen. There's no way in hell we're talking about Anthony Edwards or LaMelo Ball as a possible #1 in a "strong" draft.

2012 was considered a weak draft, 2013 as well, 2015 was said to be semi weak due to no stand out #1 until late, same with 2017

Conversely, 2014, 2016 & 2018 were considered strong.

Each draft has produced nearly the same amount of quality and almost exactly the same amount of franchise altering talent.

[Leslie Forman]

It's projected to be a weak draft but that doesn't mean it will be.

No duh. That doesn't mean the top prospects in this draft are actually good prospects right now, though, which is what I'm trying to say. This is absolutely a bad pre-hindsight draft.

Each draft has produced nearly the same amount of quality and almost exactly the same amount of franchise altering talent.

Well that is just completely, utterly untrue. I'd like to see someone explain how 2000 and 2013 are "almost exactly" as qualitatively good as '84 or '96 or '03.

2000 and 2013 were considered the two worst drafts going in that I can remember, and they are easily the two worst drafts that have actually happened in recent times. People were absolutely right to call those two drafts garbage. 2020 is the first draft since those that has been considered as poor as them.

Maybe this draft exceeds expectations, maybe it doesn't. But for now, before a game is played by anyone, it looks absolutely awful.

[MrFortune3]

It's projected to be a weak draft but that doesn't mean it will be.

No duh. That doesn't mean the top prospects in this draft are actually good prospects right now, though, which is what I'm trying to say. This is absolutely a bad pre-hindsight draft.

Each draft has produced nearly the same amount of quality and almost exactly the same amount of franchise altering talent.

Well that is just completely, utterly untrue. I'd like to see someone explain how 2000 and 2013 are "almost exactly" as qualitatively good as '84 or '96 or '03.

2000 and 2013 were considered the two worst drafts going in that I can remember, and they are easily the two worst drafts that have actually happened in recent times. People were absolutely right to call those two drafts garbage. 2020 is the first draft since those that has been considered as poor as them.

Maybe this draft exceeds expectations, maybe it doesn't. But for now, before a game is played by anyone, it looks absolutely awful.

The draft is about the end results, not the initial perception.

2000 - 3 all stars
Kenyon Martin, Jamaal Magloire, Michael Redd.
Also produced Jamal Crawford, Mike Miller(ROY). Hedo Türkoğlu and Quentin Richardson.

2001 - 8 all stars
Pau Gasol(ROY), Zach Randolph, Tyson Chandler, Joe Johnson, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Gerald Wallace, Mehmet Okur.
Also produced Jason Richardson, Richard Jefferson, Samuel Dalembert, Eddy Curry, Shane Battier & Brendan Haywood

2002 - 4 all stars
Yao Ming, Amar'e Stoudemire(ROY), Caron Butler, Carlos Boozer.
Also produced Nenê, Tayshaun Prince, Mike Dunleavy Jr, Drew Gooden, Nenad Krstić, John Salmons, Chris Wilcox, Jay Williams

2003 - 9 all stars
LeBron James(ROY), Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anthony, David West, Chris Kaman, Mo Williams, Kyle Korver, Josh Howard.
Also produced Nick Collison, TJ Ford, Luke Ridnour, Kirk Hinrich, Boris Diaw, Darko Miličić, Leandro Barbosa, Mickaël Piétrus, Zaza Pachulia, Keith Bogans

2004 - 5 all stars
Dwight Howard, Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng, Jameer Nelson, Devin Harris
Also produced Emeka Okafor(ROY), Ben Gordon, Shaun Livingston, Josh Smith, JR Smith, Trevor Ariza, Delonte West, Beno Udrih, Anderson Varejão, Chris Duhon

2005 - 5 all stars
Chris Paul(ROY), Deron Williams, Danny Granger, David Lee, Andrew Bynum
Also produced Lou Williams, Andrew Bogut, Monta Ellis, Marvin Williams, CJ Miles, Gerald Green, Nate Robinson, Jarret Jack, Raymond Felton, Channing Frye

2006 - 5 all stars
LaMarcus Aldridge, Brandon Roy(ROY), Kyle Lowry, Rajon Rondo, Paul Millsap
Also produced JJ Redick, Rudy Gay, Andrea Bargnani, PJ Tucker, Randy Foye, Thabo Sefolosha, Tyrus Thomas, Daniel Gibson, Ronnie Brewer

2007 - 4 all stars
Kevin Durant(ROY), Al Horford, Joakim Noah, Marc Gasol
Also produced Mike Conley, Jeff Green, Thad Young, Wilson Chandler, Marco Belinelli, Spencer Hawes, Jared Dudley, Aaron Brooks, Carl Landry, Arron Afflalo, Nick Young, Corey Brewer, Rodney Stuckey,

2008 - 7 all stars
Derrick Rose(ROY), Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Brook Lopez, Goran Dragic, Roy Hibbert, DeAndre Jordon
Also produced Danilo Gallinari, Eric Gordon, Serge Ibaka, George Hill, Nic Batum, OJ Mayo, Ömer Aşık, Michael Beasley, Luc Mbah a Moute, Ryan Anderson, Mario Chalmers, Marreese Speights, Courtney Lee, D. J. Augustin, Robin Lopez, Jerryd Bayless, JaVale McGee

2009 - 6 all stars
Steph Curry, James Harden, Blake Griffin(2010 ROY), DeMar DeRozan, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague
Also produced Tyreke Evans(2009 ROY), Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings, Patrick Beverly, Danny Green, Taj Gibson, Gerald Henderson, James Johnson, Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, Wayne Ellington, Rodrigue Beaubois, Patty Mills

2010 - 4 all stars
John Wall(ROY), Paul George, Gordon Hayward, DeMarcus Cousins
Also produced Derrick Favors, Eric Bledsoe, Avery Bradley, Greg Monroe, Hassan Whiteside, Lance Stephenson, Al-Farouq Aminu, Larry Sanders, Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, Jordan Crawford, Landry Fields

2011 - 7 all stars
Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson, Kyrie Irving(ROY), Jimmy Butler, Kemba Walker, Nikola Vučević, Isaiah Thomas
Also produced Tobias Harris, Bojan Bogdanović, Jonas Valančiūnas, Marcus Morris, Tristan Thompson, Markieff Morris, Reggie Jackson, Enes Kanter, Kenneth Faried, Bismack Biyombo, Brandon Knight, Nikola Mirotić, Dāvis Bertāns, Alec Burks, Iman Shumpert, Derrick Williams

2012 - 6 all stars
Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard(ROY), Bradley Beal, Draymond Green, Andre Drummond, Kris Middleton
Also produced Harrison Barnes, Meyers Leonard, Evan Fournier, Austin Rivers, Dion Waiters, Jae Crowder, Will Barton, Terrence Ross, Mo Harkless, Miles Plumlee, Tomáš Satoranský, John Henson

2013 - 3 all stars
Giannis Antetokounmpo, Victor Oladipo, Rudy Gobert
Also produced CJ McCollum, Otto Porter Jr., Steven Adams, Cody Zeller, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Dennis Schröder, Tim Hardaway Jr., André Roberson, Trey Burke, Michael Carter-Williams(ROY), Kelly Olynyk, Gorgui Dieng, Nerlens Noel, Tony Snell, Mason Plumlee, Allen Crabbe,

2014 - 2 all stars
Nikola Jokić, Joel Embiid
Also produced Zach LaVine, Andrew Wiggins(ROY), Marcus Smart, Aaron Gordon, Julius Randle, Jusuf Nurkić, Jabari Parker, TJ Warren, Gary Harris, Clint Capela, Bogdan Bogdanović, Rodney Hood, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Joe Harris, Dante Exum, Dario Šarić, Elfrid Payton, Jordan Clarkson, Doug McDermott, Glenn Robinson III

2015 - 4 all stars
Karl Anthony Towns(ROY), Devin Booker, D'Angelo Russell, Kristaps Porziņģis
Also produced Myles Turner, Montrezl Harrell, Kelly Oubre Jr., Terry Rozier, Josh Richardson, Willie Cauley-Stein, Bobby Portis, Larry Nance Jr., Justise Winslow, Kevon Looney, Emmanuel Mudiay, Cedi Osman, Frank Kaminsky, Norman Powell, Mario Hezonja, Jahlil Okafor, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Richaun Holmes

2016 - 4 all stars
Ben Simmons(2017 ROY), Pascal Siakam, Brandon Ingram, Domantas Sabonis
Also produced Jamal Murray(last piece of the Melo trade), Jaylen Brown, Buddy Hield, Malcolm Brogdon(2016 ROY), Caris LeVert, Dejounte Murray, Ivica Zubac, Taurean Prince, Kris Dunn, Ante Žižić, Juan Hernangómez, Patrick McCaw, Denzel Valentine

2017 - 3 all stars
Jayson Tatum, Donovan Mitchell, Bam Adebayo
Also produced John Collins, De'Aaron Fox, Jonathan Isaac, Lonzo Ball, Lauri Markkanen, Zach Collins, Jarrett Allen, OG Anunoby, Kyle Kuzma, Dillon Brooks, Luke Kennard, Dennis Smith Jr., Harry Giles, Malik Monk, Josh Hart, Semi Ojeleye, Monté Morris, Markelle Fultz, Thomas Bryant, Dwayne Bacon

2018 - 2 all stars
Luka Dončić(ROY), Trae Young
Also produced DeAndre Ayton, Marvin Bagley III, Jaren Jackson Jr., Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Collin Sexton, Wendell Carter Jr., Michael Porter Jr., Kevin Huerter, Miles Bridges, Mitchell Robinson, Landry Shamet, Donte DiVincenzo, Josh Okogie, Aaron Holiday, Jalen Brunson, Gary Trent Jr.

2018 and 2019 are almost unfair to list due to the short span of time. I listed 2018 but won't for 2019.

[StunnerKO]

How dare you leave Kirk off 2003

[Kurt Heimlich]

It's projected to be a weak draft but that doesn't mean it will be.

No duh. That doesn't mean the top prospects in this draft are actually good prospects right now, though, which is what I'm trying to say. This is absolutely a bad pre-hindsight draft.

Each draft has produced nearly the same amount of quality and almost exactly the same amount of franchise altering talent.

Well that is just completely, utterly untrue. I'd like to see someone explain how 2000 and 2013 are "almost exactly" as qualitatively good as '84 or '96 or '03.

2000 and 2013 were considered the two worst drafts going in that I can remember, and they are easily the two worst drafts that have actually happened in recent times. People were absolutely right to call those two drafts garbage. 2020 is the first draft since those that has been considered as poor as them.

Maybe this draft exceeds expectations, maybe it doesn't. But for now, before a game is played by anyone, it looks absolutely awful.

The draft is about the end results, not the initial perception.

2000 - 3 all stars
Kenyon Martin, Jamaal Magloire, Michael Redd.
Also produced Jamal Crawford, Mike Miller(ROY). Hedo Türkoğlu and Quentin Richardson.

2001 - 8 all stars
Pau Gasol(ROY), Zach Randolph, Tyson Chandler, Joe Johnson, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Gerald Wallace, Mehmet Okur.
Also produced Jason Richardson, Richard Jefferson, Samuel Dalembert, Eddy Curry, Shane Battier & Brendan Haywood

2002 - 4 all stars
Yao Ming, Amar'e Stoudemire(ROY), Caron Butler, Carlos Boozer.
Also produced Nenê, Tayshaun Prince, Mike Dunleavy Jr, Drew Gooden, Nenad Krstić, John Salmons, Chris Wilcox, Jay Williams

2003 - 9 all stars
LeBron James(ROY), Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anthony, David West, Chris Kaman, Mo Williams, Kyle Korver, Josh Howard.
Also produced Nick Collison, TJ Ford, Luke Ridnour, Boris Diaw, Darko Miličić, Leandro Barbosa, Mickaël Piétrus, Zaza Pachulia, Keith Bogans

2004 - 5 all stars
Dwight Howard, Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng, Jameer Nelson, Devin Harris
Also produced Emeka Okafor(ROY), Ben Gordon, Shaun Livingston, Josh Smith, JR Smith, Trevor Ariza, Delonte West, Beno Udrih, Anderson Varejão, Chris Duhon

2005 - 5 all stars
Chris Paul(ROY), Deron Williams, Danny Granger, David Lee, Andrew Bynum
Also produced Lou Williams, Andrew Bogut, Monta Ellis, Marvin Williams, CJ Miles, Gerald Green, Nate Robinson, Jarret Jack, Raymond Felton, Channing Frye

2006 - 5 all stars
LaMarcus Aldridge, Brandon Roy(ROY), Kyle Lowry, Rajon Rondo, Paul Millsap
Also produced JJ Redick, Rudy Gay, Andrea Bargnani, PJ Tucker, Randy Foye, Thabo Sefolosha, Tyrus Thomas, Daniel Gibson, Ronnie Brewer

2007 - 4 all stars
Kevin Durant(ROY), Al Horford, Joakim Noah, Marc Gasol
Also produced Mike Conley, Jeff Green, Thad Young, Wilson Chandler, Marco Belinelli, Spencer Hawes, Jared Dudley, Aaron Brooks, Carl Landry, Arron Afflalo, Nick Young, Corey Brewer, Rodney Stuckey,

2008 - 7 all stars
Derrick Rose(ROY), Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Brook Lopez, Goran Dragic, Roy Hibbert, DeAndre Jordon
Also produced Danilo Gallinari, Eric Gordon, Serge Ibaka, George Hill, Nic Batum, OJ Mayo, Ömer Aşık, Michael Beasley, Luc Mbah a Moute, Ryan Anderson, Mario Chalmers, Marreese Speights, Courtney Lee, D. J. Augustin, Robin Lopez, Jerryd Bayless, JaVale McGee

2009 - 6 all stars
Steph Curry, James Harden, Blake Griffin(2010 ROY), DeMar DeRozan, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague
Also produced Tyreke Evans(2009 ROY), Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings, Patrick Beverly, Danny Green, Taj Gibson, Gerald Henderson, James Johnson, Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, Wayne Ellington, Rodrigue Beaubois, Patty Mills

2010 - 4 all stars
John Wall(ROY), Paul George, Gordon Hayward, DeMarcus Cousins
Also produced Derrick Favors, Eric Bledsoe, Avery Bradley, Greg Monroe, Hassan Whiteside, Lance Stephenson, Al-Farouq Aminu, Larry Sanders, Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, Jordan Crawford, Landry Fields

2011 - 7 all stars
Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson, Kyrie Irving(ROY), Jimmy Butler, Kemba Walker, Nikola Vučević, Isaiah Thomas
Also produced Tobias Harris, Bojan Bogdanović, Jonas Valančiūnas, Marcus Morris, Tristan Thompson, Markieff Morris, Reggie Jackson, Enes Kanter, Kenneth Faried, Bismack Biyombo, Brandon Knight, Nikola Mirotić, Dāvis Bertāns, Alec Burks, Iman Shumpert, Derrick Williams

2012 - 6 all stars
Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard(ROY), Bradley Beal, Draymond Green, Andre Drummond, Kris Middleton
Also produced Harrison Barnes, Meyers Leonard, Evan Fournier, Austin Rivers, Dion Waiters, Jae Crowder, Will Barton, Terrence Ross, Mo Harkless, Miles Plumlee, Tomáš Satoranský, John Henson

2013 - 3 all stars
Giannis Antetokounmpo, Victor Oladipo, Rudy Gobert
Also produced CJ McCollum, Otto Porter Jr., Steven Adams, Cody Zeller, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Dennis Schröder, Tim Hardaway Jr., André Roberson, Trey Burke, Michael Carter-Williams(ROY), Kelly Olynyk, Gorgui Dieng, Nerlens Noel, Tony Snell, Mason Plumlee, Allen Crabbe,

2014 -3 all stars
Nikola Jokić, Joel Embiid, Andrew Wiggins(ROY)
Also produced Zach LaVine, Marcus Smart, Aaron Gordon, Julius Randle, Jusuf Nurkić, Jabari Parker, TJ Warren, Gary Harris, Clint Capela, Bogdan Bogdanović, Rodney Hood, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Joe Harris, Dante Exum, Dario Šarić, Elfrid Payton, Jordan Clarkson, Doug McDermott, Glenn Robinson III

2015 - 4 all stars
Karl Anthony Towns(ROY), Devin Booker, D'Angelo Russell, Kristaps Porziņģis
Also produced Myles Turner, Montrezl Harrell, Kelly Oubre Jr., Terry Rozier, Josh Richardson, Willie Cauley-Stein, Bobby Portis, Larry Nance Jr., Justise Winslow, Kevon Looney, Emmanuel Mudiay, Cedi Osman, Frank Kaminsky, Norman Powell, Mario Hezonja, Jahlil Okafor, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Richaun Holmes

2016 - 4 all stars
Ben Simmons(2017 ROY), Pascal Siakam, Brandon Ingram, Domantas Sabonis
Also produced Jamal Murray(last piece of the Melo trade), Jaylen Brown, Buddy Hield, Malcolm Brogdon(2016 ROY), Caris LeVert, Dejounte Murray, Ivica Zubac, Taurean Prince, Kris Dunn, Ante Žižić, Juan Hernangómez, Patrick McCaw, Denzel Valentine

2017 - 3 all stars
Jayson Tatum, Donovan Mitchell, Bam Adebayo
Also produced John Collins, De'Aaron Fox, Jonathan Isaac, Lonzo Ball, Lauri Markkanen, Zach Collins, Jarrett Allen, OG Anunoby, Kyle Kuzma, Dillon Brooks, Luke Kennard, Dennis Smith Jr., Harry Giles, Malik Monk, Josh Hart, Semi Ojeleye, Monté Morris, Markelle Fultz, Thomas Bryant, Dwayne Bacon

2018 - 2 all stars
Luka Dončić(ROY), Trae Young
Also produced DeAndre Ayton, Marvin Bagley III, Jaren Jackson Jr., Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Collin Sexton, Wendell Carter Jr., Michael Porter Jr., Kevin Huerter, Miles Bridges, Mitchell Robinson, Landry Shamet, Donte DiVincenzo, Josh Okogie, Aaron Holiday, Jalen Brunson, Gary Trent Jr.

2018 and 2019 are almost unfair to list due to the short span of time. I listed 2018 but won't for 2019.

Thanks for listing this out. 2000 still stands out as an amazingly terrible, all time worst draft class (within this time period at least). Those 3 all stars are certainly low grade "all stars" with Magloire often mentioned as the "worst all star" of all time.

2013 actually turned out really well with 1 absolute elite talent with a couple more legit stars. It's just that outside of one guy, the top 9 of the draft looks really REALLY bad (as predicted going into that hilariously unknown 1st overall pick that became Anthony Bennett). Which is a bit of the fear IMO with this class, albeit for slightly different additional reasons (i.e. COVID/lack of current scouting). Its far from a guarantee that one of the top 5 or 8 picks will be better than one of 11 thru 29 (as is often the case in "good" drafts)

[drosereturn]

I have a feeling AK will surprise everyone with this pick as much as the head coaching pick.
The guy definitely doesn't like to play conservatively.

Porter Jr
Bol Bol

That was his last 2 picks so he typically goes for high ceiling higher risk picks.

They werent even risky. mostly health issues but they esp had high ceilings not typically low floor.

[MGB8]

2000 was worst... but 2002 weak (Jay Williams injury a part of that), 2006 and 2014 too, 2010 and 2013 a little better. As compared to the drafts with Lebron, Paul/Deron, Gasol, Curry/Harden, etc. Huge swings in both top level and depth of talent.

[Grodoboldo]

I'm surprised people wouldn't be excited to have Wiseman fall to us.

To me, he seems like a better prospect than someone like Marvin Bagley out of college. He's got skill and more importantly, LEGIT size. He's not someone that's a little skinnier or shorter than what you'd want for a C.

Yeah, really wasn't excited about Bagley either, lol

[Grodoboldo]

People need to stop calling this a weak draft. Literally, every year people say that there are 3-5 actual franchise players that come out of it.

Just because you don't see a surefire legend doesn't make the draft weak, it means a team actually has to work to develop players. Which is you know, their job anyway.

It's apparently top weak. But I agree, there's like fifteen prospects that I'd be pretty happy to have in our roster (not necessarily at #4, of course)

[MrFortune3]

Thanks for listing this out. 2000 still stands out as an amazingly terrible, all time worst draft class (within this time period at least). Those 3 all stars are certainly low grade "all stars" with Magloire often mentioned as the "worst all star" of all time.

2013 actually turned out really well with 1 absolute elite talent with a couple more legit stars. It's just that outside of one guy, the top 9 of the draft looks really REALLY bad (as predicted going into that hilariously unknown 1st overall pick that became Anthony Bennett). Which is a bit of the fear IMO with this class, albeit for slightly different additional reasons (i.e. COVID/lack of current scouting). Its far from a guarantee that one of the top 5 or 8 picks will be better than one of 11 thru 29 (as is often the case in "good" drafts)

There is always talent to be found in the draft and you can always net a franchise player IF your team is about scouting, drafting and developing.
A high pick assures you nothing. It's the pre and post draft work that makes all of the difference. Players take more time than ever to develop into stars now. We are also about to see HS players back into the fold and others will skip college and go to the G-League for a year.

Scouting and development will be more important than ever.