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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

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That's it. I'm sold. DeRozan is plays the 3 and 4, is clutch, has a post game, will teach Zach how to operate in the post, AND he's the 2nd most efficient P&R player in the league? Great trade. No question.
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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

Post#884 » by Jeffster81 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:23 am

Somewhere in Japan, Zach is most likely doing his best "Dancing Duane" at all the Bulls move they've made. While I am doing my best Nick Offerman dance moves.
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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

Post#885 » by Onibuh » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:24 am

DeRozan was such a good player with the Raptors, going to the Spurs actually put him under the radar a bit more... He's still a good player and AKME have a nearly perfect offseason for the options that are open.
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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

Post#886 » by RSP83 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:33 am

The 6ft Hurdle wrote:Welp that's a lot of USC (Vuc, DeRozan)/UCLA (Zac, Ball) there.


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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

Post#887 » by RSP83 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:36 am

Ugly Duckling wrote:WOULD RATHER HAVE DD AT 28M THAN JIMMY AT 46M. THEYRE BOTH 31


Didn't realize DD is 31. That's still some basketball left. Depends on how it turns out that's still 2 years All-Star level potential. He was still playing at very high level last season.
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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

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That's it. I'm sold. DeRozan is plays the 3 and 4, is clutch, has a post game, will teach Zach how to operate in the post, AND he's the 2nd most efficient P&R player in the league? Great trade. No question.


Will be great for P.Will also...

I've been saying it since before the deal was done DDR is Budget Kawhi - considering how amazing Kawhi is a Budget version of him is still very very good.

I am super stoked about this guys!!! never in my current Bulls Fandom have I awoken to 1 day of great Free Agency news let alone 2!!!

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I thought the Vuc trade was only (2) first round picks: 2021 & 2023?
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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

Post#891 » by DorO » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:19 am

Just wow about DDR, Zo - credit to AK/ME for all these amazing moves. Being so many years in total irrelevance now it fells like in BB heaven. Let's go Bulls!!
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I thought the Vuc trade was only (2) first round picks: 2021 & 2023?

I think if Orlando does not receive the 2023 pick they will get the 2024 pick.
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I thought the Vuc trade was only (2) first round picks: 2021 & 2023?

I think if Orlando does not receive the 2023 pick they will get the 2024 pick.



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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

Post#894 » by robert76 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:34 am

On The Athletic, John Hollinger claims the DeRozan trade is "the biggest head-scratcher" because the Bulls overpaid to get him and overpaid him, since there was no real competition for him that could afford to pay him and the Spurs didn't want to keep him:

"Consider this: If they had paid half as much — $14 million a year — who was outbidding them? The Clippers and Lakers only had the taxpayer midlevel exception. The Knicks quickly burned through their cap space to lock in the six seed for the next three years. The only teams with the space to make a move here were Oklahoma City, which isn’t rebuilding around a 32-year-old, and DeRozan’s own team in San Antonio, which didn’t seem to be in that big a rush to bring him back."
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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

Post#896 » by RSP83 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:50 am

robert76 wrote:On The Athletic, John Hollinger claims the DeRozan trade is "the biggest head-scratcher" because the Bulls overpaid to get him and overpaid him, since there was no real competition for him that could afford to pay him and the Spurs didn't want to keep him:

"Consider this: If they had paid half as much — $14 million a year — who was outbidding them? The Clippers and Lakers only had the taxpayer midlevel exception. The Knicks quickly burned through their cap space to lock in the six seed for the next three years. The only teams with the space to make a move here were Oklahoma City, which isn’t rebuilding around a 32-year-old, and DeRozan’s own team in San Antonio, which didn’t seem to be in that big a rush to bring him back."


My take on this:

Possibility A: Derozan may already be thinking, is it time that I take a big paycut and join a contender while walking toward career sunset with the hope of picking up a ring along the way? or maybe I still have a chance to be top 2 player on a fringe playoff team on the upswing, but the money has to be worth it. Hence, Marc going there showing him the big money.

Possibility B: Derozan signing is a safety net in case something goes wrong between the Bulls and Zach Lavine and his extension next summer. So we would end up with DD and Vuc. Giving AK more time to think about the counter move. That would suck, but not as bad as only left with Vuc with limited future first round picks.

I think it's a bit of both (A and B).

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Additional perspective: we learn that "Question Mark" young assets like Coby, lauri, Pat Will, their trade values are wildly volatile. The only trade that can return us real value are assets like Zach, Vuc, and Derozan. Having these 3 guys give us a chance to always be relevant in trade conversations when there are disgruntled superstars asking to be traded in the middle of the season (say Bradley Beal or Dame Lillard suddenly wants out). This situation is also interesting in that, this put some pressure on Zach as well, is it not possible that we end up switching Zach with Dame/Beal? so we go with Dame/Beal, Derozan, and Vuc? Probably not going to happen, but not totally impossible.
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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

Post#897 » by CobyWhite0 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:55 am

robert76 wrote:On The Athletic, John Hollinger claims the DeRozan trade is "the biggest head-scratcher" because the Bulls overpaid to get him and overpaid him, since there was no real competition for him that could afford to pay him and the Spurs didn't want to keep him:

"Consider this: If they had paid half as much — $14 million a year — who was outbidding them? The Clippers and Lakers only had the taxpayer midlevel exception. The Knicks quickly burned through their cap space to lock in the six seed for the next three years. The only teams with the space to make a move here were Oklahoma City, which isn’t rebuilding around a 32-year-old, and DeRozan’s own team in San Antonio, which didn’t seem to be in that big a rush to bring him back."


Someone should point out to Hollinger that teams didn't need cap space to make a move here - hell, the Bulls didn't have any cap space, and they still managed to grossly overpay DeMar (according to Hollinger).
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Re: Bulls Closing in on DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

Post#898 » by Jstock12 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:57 am

Michael Jackson wrote:This model guarantees nothing at all but the odds of making your luck are better with a good solid team than it is with bad teams praying for the ping pong ball and then praying they make the right pick that actually develops (looking at you Bagley). Better to be relevant. If we were a few years ago we are in AD’s list. Maybe KD looks at the Bulls if they are .500 team etc…. I don’t love the roster right now but it is vastly improved and we have movable pieces. It’s a big upgrade from the GarPax tactic, not sure it will succeed but at least AK is trying.


Not to mention that these star players all know each other, they work out together during summers etc when some recruiting might happen. If you have multiple established star level players who can recruit, it's a big plus.
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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

Post#899 » by BullsFTW » Wed Aug 4, 2021 7:11 am

robert76 wrote:On The Athletic, John Hollinger claims the DeRozan trade is "the biggest head-scratcher" because the Bulls overpaid to get him and overpaid him, since there was no real competition for him that could afford to pay him and the Spurs didn't want to keep him:

"Consider this: If they had paid half as much — $14 million a year — who was outbidding them? The Clippers and Lakers only had the taxpayer midlevel exception. The Knicks quickly burned through their cap space to lock in the six seed for the next three years. The only teams with the space to make a move here were Oklahoma City, which isn’t rebuilding around a 32-year-old, and DeRozan’s own team in San Antonio, which didn’t seem to be in that big a rush to bring him back."

I think the reason they paid DeRozan that much is to establish a good reputation. That the new management prioritize and take care of their players. Players talk, and ones you make a good impression, it’ll benefit the team in the long run. Bulls have a reputation of being cheap. Paying DeRozan & Ball that much shows they’re willing to spend to compete.
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Re: Official: Bulls get DeRozan! 3yrs/$85m PG. 17 update 

Post#900 » by Jeffster81 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 7:21 am

robert76 wrote:On The Athletic, John Hollinger claims the DeRozan trade is "the biggest head-scratcher" because the Bulls overpaid to get him and overpaid him, since there was no real competition for him that could afford to pay him and the Spurs didn't want to keep him:

"Consider this: If they had paid half as much — $14 million a year — who was outbidding them? The Clippers and Lakers only had the taxpayer midlevel exception. The Knicks quickly burned through their cap space to lock in the six seed for the next three years. The only teams with the space to make a move here were Oklahoma City, which isn’t rebuilding around a 32-year-old, and DeRozan’s own team in San Antonio, which didn’t seem to be in that big a rush to bring him back."


Who....the hell...cares what the wet blanket Hollingers thinks. He can have an opinion but I want fun, exciting basketball back at the UC.

Sometimes you have to over pay now so that you can get players for cheaper contracts tomorrow.

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