OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[art_barbie]

I don't know of dozens. I do know there are very few NBA players who were accused of rape. You can count the number of NBA players accused of rape during the past decade on one hand. It's a very exclusive club. I sincerely hope that Rose can settle this issue soon, but I'm also hoping the Bulls part ways with him as soon as possible.

How many nba players in the last decade do you know have committed rape?

If the number can be counted on one hand, then that means Rose didn't commit rape, under your "logic," right?

I'm going with those who were mentioned here:

Ruben Patterson, Kobe, Juwan Howard, Rose.

I don't know if Rose committed rape. I do know very few players get accused of rape and very few complaints are false.

Not sure why so many posters are diligently attempting to refute Tim Robbins basic claim.

In real life and in the NBA very very very few people get accused of rape and very very very few of them are falsely accused.

I quite sure we gone multiple years in the NBA with out any rape accusations. Rape accusations are very difficult to make. No one wants to be out there like that...imagine for a a second if you were sexually fondled by your childhood coach or priest or camp counselor or boyscout leader or neighborhood bully or older cousin, uncle, whatever. I've read reports where a little boy is "preyed upon" in some capacity or another at an alarming rate...where something like 18-24% of adult males claim something like this happened in their childhood. yet less that 1% of those approc 20% report it. Its just not easy...its very difficult. Most go unreported.

Fact is most male on female rape or abuse goes unreported as well. People just dont want to opent hat door. In part because we shame them....we treat these victims horribly. I dont know why because my heart goes out to victims of abuse, rape, domestic, etc. And often victims of this sort of thing are damaged at a young age and often end up in more dangerous predicaments as they get older. They dont feel worthy of gentle, kind, loving relationships...so they are more likey to put themselves in a room with 5-10 males and get drunk or take a shot...in part not feeling worthy of true love and in part hoping that this time these men will prove them wrong...be kind, be loving, not take advantage of them. Everyone truly wants to be loved. its a basic need.

We dont know this jane doe's history. Nothing yet. And maybe she should not have been in this situation. But until a wealthy and famous person shows interest in you, you have no idea how easy it is to get manipulated by them. Show up to their house, do shots with them. Rich and wealthy people are not really powerful. They are not!! We everyday people give them their power over us. we show up to work at their businesses, clean up their messes, and hustle for the scraps they leave behind. Wealth and fame is ridiculously worshipped in this country because the wealthy and famous throw it our faces daily, almost by the minute how much better their lives are because they drive 400,000 cars, live in multimillion dollar homes and eat $500.00 dinner and drink $500.00 bottle of wine and booze. its just plain silly. But naive young women fall for this crap and thats why men work so hard for that money, because they know women fall for it. Poor, naive, young people will fall for anything rich or famous or very attractive.

And if these guys drugged this girl, or got her so drunk that she could not even walk then they have assaulted the very fabric of what we should be protecting. Our young people from rich wealthy famous people that think they can do whatever they want and buy their way out of any consequences.

And they apparently already have 1 of the 5 or so people their that night, apologizing? I mean use some common sense...I know you watch porn stars so you think girls actually like trains getting run on them by strangers, or friends of the guy that they actually like, but let me assure you...women dont want that-and women know better. Porn stars get paid for those perversions and even they dont want that. They do it for th emoney and are likely damaged by past abuse themselves or on a lot of drugs. If a women loves or likes a guy, she knows the last men in the world to sleep with are his buddies because she knows that once she does anything like that the guy(Rose) will never respect her and will not take her serious.

I put the likelihood that this actually happened at about 80% or higher. The likelihood that this poor girl was either too drunk or drugged to consent for this is very high. And I'm not damning Rose and his buddies to all hell either...maybe they were all high out of there minds? maybe she was so high she could not demonstrate the ability to say no. I've only seen cab drivers help people to the door out of a cab like 5 times in my life...when someone cant walk, at all? That they need help from a stranger? This girl and future women in this state deserve protection from the law.

[nrockwaychicago]

And don't forget about Chris Birdman Andersen, who was accused of having sex with a minor, or whatever the heck the wild, bogus accusation was.

Nobody falsely accused him of anything. His identity was stolen.

Dude, he was under criminal investigation for 15 months for having sexual relations with a minor. No NBA team wanted to touch him at the time and he was widely considered by the public to be a child predator. It only turned out later that it was all Bs and that his identity was stolen.

But under your awful logic, you can only count on one hand the number of NBA players accused of having sex with a minor, so he must have been guilty.

you're exaggerating.

it was known pretty quickly after the fact that it was a case of stolen identity. i remember the realgm thread about it, the contradictory link was posted on the first or second page. also, that was the year he started playing for miami, so the "no team would touch him" is blatantly untrue.


generally speaking, you're grasping for straws in this argument. you don't want rose to be a rapist (who does?) so you're trivializing rape allegations to protect him.

rose is innocent until proven guilty, and maybe it is all a hoax, but the amount of vitriol toward the victim is pretty disheartening.

[johnnyvann840]

rose is innocent until proven guilty, and maybe it is all a hoax, but the amount of vitriol toward the victim is pretty disheartening.

Victim? Rose may very well be the victim, in fact it's likely, we don't know. Right now there is no victim, just a plaintiff.

[bullsRlife]

Why isn't there any damning evidence against Rose by now? Why isn't more stuff being leaked? Why isn't he being investigated by the authorities, and why isn't this huge news across all media outlets?

Oh, that's right. They all know she just wants money, and there's nothing to investigate, because it didn't happen, and its been 2 freaking years.

As much as the time period helps Rose, it also helps the accuser, because if its not true (we all know this is some BS), she can just use the, "its been 2 years, that's why this is so hard to prove!" angle.

[nrockwaychicago]

rose is innocent until proven guilty, and maybe it is all a hoax, but the amount of vitriol toward the victim is pretty disheartening.

Victim? Rose may very well be the victim, in fact it's likely, we don't know. Right now there is no victim, just a plaintiff.

and that's exactly my point.

[nrockwaychicago]

The most repugnant thing about these continued posts are in the way you simply convict anyone accused, based on the supposed rarity of accusation. I can't think of anything more fundamentally at odds with the American justice system and simple notions of right and wrong.

I'm hardly convicting anybody. I'm just informing the large crowd of people bashing the accuser that false accusations are rare.

true. it's also rare that the accused has millions of dollars and an obvious public relations incentive to pay off the accuser

this is the line of thinking that protects the likes of bill cosby and jimmy saville.

[DuckIII]

Hey, hey, hey, I don't think Kobe raped anyone. I think that famous people are disproportionately targeted with accusations of sexual assault or other forms of sexual misconduct as a means to financial gain.

And I can believe those things and still believe that the vast, vast, vast majority of rapes unfortunately go unreported, that this is an unfortunate byproduct of an embarrassing mindset on full display in this thread, and that its entirely possible Rose did what he's accused of doing.

The weirdest thing about this thread is the notion that all of these things are somehow mutually exclusive.

[musiqsoulchild]

Why isn't there any damning evidence against Rose by now? Why isn't more stuff being leaked? Why isn't he being investigated by the authorities, and why isn't this huge news across all media outlets?

Oh, that's right. They all know she just wants money, and there's nothing to investigate, because it didn't happen, and its been 2 freaking years.

As much as the time period helps Rose, it also helps the accuser, because if its not true (we all know this is some BS), she can just use the, "its been 2 years, that's why this is so hard to prove!" angle.

Dont tempt fate. You keep pushing it and thats exactly what will happen.

Lets just hope that this dies down quickly and Rose is deemed "innocent". Wether he really is or not, is irrelavant to the laswuit - though its relevant to some of us.

[dice]

I'm hardly convicting anybody. I'm just informing the large crowd of people bashing the accuser that false accusations are rare.

true. it's also rare that the accused has millions of dollars and an obvious public relations incentive to pay off the accuser

this is the line of thinking that protects the likes of bill cosby and jimmy saville.

i'm merely pointing out that general population realities do not necessarily apply (at least not to the same degree) to a tiny population of wealthy and famous individuals. in your average case there is far less incentive for a woman to make up a rape story

so let's hypothetically say that 5% of rape charges are bogus. maybe that number is 25% when it comes to charges filed against the rich and famous

[TimRobbins]

true. it's also rare that the accused has millions of dollars and an obvious public relations incentive to pay off the accuser

this is the line of thinking that protects the likes of bill cosby and jimmy saville.

i'm merely pointing out that general population realities do not necessarily apply to a tiny population of wealthy and famous individuals. in your average case there is far less incentive for a woman to make up a rape story

And the data to back up this bold claim comes from where?

[dice]

this is the line of thinking that protects the likes of bill cosby and jimmy saville.

i'm merely pointing out that general population realities do not necessarily apply to a tiny population of wealthy and famous individuals. in your average case there is far less incentive for a woman to make up a rape story

And the data to back up this bold claim comes from where?

hardly a bold claim that wealthy, famous individuals are sometimes targeted for their money. nice try

[League Circles]

this is the line of thinking that protects the likes of bill cosby and jimmy saville.

i'm merely pointing out that general population realities do not necessarily apply to a tiny population of wealthy and famous individuals. in your average case there is far less incentive for a woman to make up a rape story

And the data to back up this bold claim comes from where?

Why do you continually ask for "proof" of something that is just plain and simple common sense?

When someone makes a false rape accusation, they have an agenda. Generally it is money, and sometimes it would be revenge of some sort or a desperate cry for attention (mental illness).

When someone commits the terrible act of false rape accusation, do you think their victim is totally chosen at random? Or do you think they had an agenda and used something resembling logical thinking to decide who their victim would be?

The burden is on you IMO to prove why you don't believe in common sense. I think you rely way too much on "data" that often cannot be found or is inaccurate if your way of thinking is to presume that common sense isn't followed by people.

[TimRobbins]

i'm merely pointing out that general population realities do not necessarily apply to a tiny population of wealthy and famous individuals. in your average case there is far less incentive for a woman to make up a rape story

And the data to back up this bold claim comes from where?

hardly a bold claim that wealthy, famous individuals are sometimes targeted for their money. nice try

A very bold claim with ZERO evidence to support it.

[MAQ]

I'm just going to point out that when the Patrick Kane news came down, the Waddle and Silvy spent a lot of time discussing what is being discussed in this thread. Including the amount of false accusations. Mark Giangreco who frequents their show as a guest says he spoke to a person on a law enforcement team in a college town (can't remember which). He says that the amount of false accusations they received was over 50 percent. He also noted that over 80 percent of actual rapes go unreported.

Two posters keep saying over and over that most accusations are true...That it is very rare for an accusation to be false. So why would this member of law enforcement lie?

[League Circles]

And the data to back up this bold claim comes from where?

hardly a bold claim that wealthy, famous individuals are sometimes targeted for their money. nice try

A very bold claim with ZERO evidence to support it.

So common sense is bold?

I suppose you'd need evidence that Jordans are stolen more often than Ben Wallace's shoe at Steve and Berry's in order to believe it too.

[dice]

And the data to back up this bold claim comes from where?

hardly a bold claim that wealthy, famous individuals are sometimes targeted for their money. nice try

A very bold claim with ZERO evidence to support it.

that's like saying 'attractive women get more attention from men' is a very bold claim with zero evidence to support it



what would actually be bold would be to suggest otherwise. you've got things flipped upside-down in your head

but listen, i'm not going to get you all deranged by bombarding you with logic. i tried that before and it ended in your suspension. so for your own good i'll bow out now. have at it

[League Circles]

This article goes into some detail on false-accusation statistics:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/416536/how-common-are-false-rape-charges-really-jason-richwine

[TimRobbins]

Why do you continually ask for "proof" of something that is just plain and simple common sense?

When someone makes a false rape accusation, they have an agenda. Generally it is money, and sometimes it would be revenge of some sort or a desperate cry for attention (mental illness).

When someone commits the terrible act of false rape accusation, do you think their victim is totally chosen at random? Or do you think they had an agenda and used something resembling logical thinking to decide who their victim would be?

The burden is on you IMO to prove why you don't believe in common sense. I think you rely way too much on "data" that often cannot be found or is inaccurate if your way of thinking is to presume that common sense isn't followed by people.

A lot of things people think are "common sense" are actually false. For example, many people here think false rape claims are common, but that's completely false. They are extremely rare. "Common sense" is often wrong, just like you're demonstrating here.

There are many reasons for why you're wrong on this. Filing a rape accusation isn't something trivial. The complainants have to go through police interrogations and often physical exams. If it goes to trial/depositions they have to go through cross-interrogations about every single private detail of their lives, and I haven't even mentioned the stigma associated with it. Basically, when somebody files a rape accusation, their names are going to be dragged through the mud and when you accuse somebody famous like Derrick Rose, it's going to be much worse since it will be done in public.

The price victims pay is much steeper when you're filing a charge against a celebrity. The girl that accused Kobe was harassed around the clock. Rich people can hire top lawyers, private investigators and thugs. The automatic reaction (as you can see on this board) will always be that the victim is lying because rich celebrities "don't need to rape anybody".

So yeah, I think filing a complaint (true or false) against a rich person is far more intimidating than filing one against a "regular" person. I don't think they're more common. If anything, I think they're far less common, and the data we have about NBA players accused of rape supports it.

[dice]

Why do you continually ask for "proof" of something that is just plain and simple common sense?

When someone makes a false rape accusation, they have an agenda. Generally it is money, and sometimes it would be revenge of some sort or a desperate cry for attention (mental illness).

When someone commits the terrible act of false rape accusation, do you think their victim is totally chosen at random? Or do you think they had an agenda and used something resembling logical thinking to decide who their victim would be?

The burden is on you IMO to prove why you don't believe in common sense. I think you rely way too much on "data" that often cannot be found or is inaccurate if your way of thinking is to presume that common sense isn't followed by people.

A lot of things people think are "common sense" are actually false.

wealthy and famous people being targeted for their money is not one of them. sorry

[TimRobbins]

that's like saying 'attractive women get more attention from men' is a very bold claim with zero evidence to support it



what would actually be bold would be to suggest otherwise. you've got things flipped upside-down in your head

but listen, i'm not going to get you all deranged by bombarding you with logic. i tried that before and it ended in your suspension. so for your own good i'll bow out now. have at it

No, it's not. there's plenty of evidence to support the claim that attractive women get more attention. There ZERO evidence to support the claim that rich men get accused more of rape.

In any case, I'm reporting your continued trolling of every post I make.