Deng to GS PG.13 / PG.43 Bulls Say Otherwise

[D_GoLow]

[People don't want them to make a move for the hell of it, people want them to make a move so that they stand on equal footing with Miami and OKC and have a chance to win multiple championships.

& how does getting a bottom lottery pick solve this dilemna?

Yes they can get a "great" player but it will take a least 3 years for him to really get comfortable with the pro game.

Deng is proven, battle-tested, & wants to win more than anything. We should ask Derrick & see whether or not he thinks that's a good idea...you won't find a better class act or a better warrior/teammate.

[kyrv]

People don't want them to make a move for the hell of it, people want them to make a move so that they stand on equal footing with Miami and OKC and have a chance to win multiple championships.

Right now, I think we CAN beat Miami but it's going to take some luck (us healthy, them not so healthy). And I think we'll always be the underdogs figthing an uphill battle, and losing most of the time.

Where if we were to add a legit 2nd scorer and not put the entire load on Roses shoulders, it would make us much more favorable ton not only beat them but beat them regularly, and also prolong Rose's career.

You can win A ship with role players, but you need stars for dynasties. I'd much rather be the San Antonio Spurs, than the Detroit Pistons. Hell even 1 ship isn't guaranteed, we could be 90's Knicks, always losing to the Jordan Bulls, never getting a ring.

Moves that don't make the team better, don't make the team better.

Since we have gotten some inside info, it's easy to see that most offers to the Bulls, not surprisingly, are very good deals - for the other team.

[theanimal23]

I'm open to dealing Deng if it helps the team, and the only deal I believe fully does after hearing all the rumors was the very slight chance of Deng for Evans and #5 assuming Barnes was picked at #5 and the Bulls brass had confidence he'd be a Deng clone (or better).

This deal isn't a bad deal but it appears the goal is to be below the tax primarily. We can do that IIRC by not picking up Watson, Brewer, and Korver. We get an extra second round pick (or two) and use those to fill the roster.

I'm just not sure what the best step is. Part of this depends on how much it may be to resign Deng, and how good this top pick will be. As Fish pointed out, Bulls draft better than a lot of teams, but aren't flaw less. Far from it.

I'm okay with sitting at #29 come Thursday but I do want one more pick to round out the roster. And it's too early to want to give up the 2013 pick unless it's lottery or top 20 protected.

[EastBayFJ]

How to beat Miami and OKC

Well....don't think we're as far off as what some suggest

For starters I believe we have the best defensive front court in the league and a guy ( when healthy ) is very close to James and Durant as being one of the best in the league

In fact to me - its James, Durant and Rose as the top 3 guys you would pick to build a championship contender around.

With James ascendency to another level this year and in the finals Wade seems to be an A minus star and Bosh Bplus.. And the confidence that James exudes has played a big part in guys like Battier, Miller, Jones , Cole and Chalmers knocking down shots and playing like world beaters.

I would give Deng up but Tyreke Evans is really the guy I want back so we run twin ball drive attack from the back court.

Its a risk but Tyreke Evans could be the genuine #2 option we need to pair with Derrick Rose

We then have a defensive front court monster ...run Boozer for the time being as our #3 option and fill the wing / guards with defender - shooters

We still have the Bobs pick and Mirotic in the tank.

If you could get comfortable you could get some rebounding production at the 3 spot then I would seriously look at a Boozer / Bargnani swap to create more room for a twin drive attack game of Rose and Evans

[PistolP]

All the smoke around Deng being on the block....could Noah really be the one on the move on Thursday?

[thedarkstark]

All the smoke around Deng being on the block....could Noah really be the one on the move on Thursday?

Would make sense, we have more big man depth.

That said I'd be pissed if we got back anything less than top 5 pick a very large TPE for him.

[theanimal23]

I'm really curious to how garbage the offers were for Boozer

[PistolP]

All the smoke around Deng being on the block....could Noah really be the one on the move on Thursday?

Would make sense, we have more big man depth.

That said I'd be pissed if we got back anything less than top 5 pick a very large TPE.

If we could move Noah + picks for Thomas Robinson + Evans, I'd be all over that. If we ever got into a playoff series against Dwight or Bynum, the only two dominant centers left, we'd just lean on Asik a little more.

[Ralphb07]

According to a league source, the going rate for Deng is a lottery pick, as well as dealing away a veteran with a contract, preferably expiring after the 2012-13 season, to make salaries match

http://www.csnchicago.com/basketball-ch ... edID=10332

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

According to a league source, the going rate for Deng is a lottery pick, as well as dealing away a veteran with a contract, preferably expiring after the 2012-13 season, to make salaries match

http://www.csnchicago.com/basketball-ch ... edID=10332

The Bulls should find a way to do it.

[blumeany]

I guess the debate is: Will the Bulls, as constituted, really get better as a team? I don't think they will. That's why I'm willing to shop Deng for a potential stand out and another serviceable (or expiring, whichever comes first) vet or two.

[blumeany]

You'll notice that with all this smoke about Deng.....not a peep from Rose. Granted, he doesn't seek attention, but the fact that he hasn't spoken up about it in some way tells me that he's on board with whatever GarPax is cookin'.

[Mech Engineer]

You'll notice that with all this smoke about Deng.....not a peep from Rose. Granted, he doesn't seek attention, but the fact that he hasn't spoken up about it in some way tells me that he's on board with whatever GarPax is cookin'.

I don't think Rose is invested with FO moves to begin with. I hope and guess he is totally into his own life(rehab and personal stuff) especially for the next 6/8 months.

[ChicagoStrong]

You'll notice that with all this smoke about Deng.....not a peep from Rose. Granted, he doesn't seek attention, but the fact that he hasn't spoken up about it in some way tells me that he's on board with whatever GarPax is cookin'.

What?

Does he ever speak publicly about the Bulls making transactions?

[PistolP]

I'm starting to think if anyone is getting moved on Thursday it's going to be Jo

[DanTown8587]

You'll notice that with all this smoke about Deng.....not a peep from Rose. Granted, he doesn't seek attention, but the fact that he hasn't spoken up about it in some way tells me that he's on board with whatever GarPax is cookin'.

If history is any indication, I really don't care what a player thinks should happen regarding roster changes as they're usually awful judges of talent and fit.

[Gramatika5O]

You'll notice that with all this smoke about Deng.....not a peep from Rose. Granted, he doesn't seek attention, but the fact that he hasn't spoken up about it in some way tells me that he's on board with whatever GarPax is cookin'.

What?

Does he ever speak publicly about the Bulls making transactions?

[bulletbill]

Sometimes, you have to push the reset button on certain assets. I think now is that time for Lu. For a near identical comparison, look at when Battier was traded for the 8th pick (R. Gay)... a glue guy, in his prime, after a disappointing post season run.

Bulls are going nowhere next yr, so lets not add insult to injury by becoming a middle of the road decepticon with a lame middle of the road pick. Sell high on Deng, subliminally tank, shed some $, and lets get some assets for the FO to leverage.

If TOR is willing, hope the Bulls take Calderon + #8. Lamb kabob

[theanimal23]

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_120625.html

-- Cavs, No. 4. Likely not looking to trade for Deng, even though they’ll lose free agent small forward Antawn Jamison. They appear committed to a youth movement with lottery picks and building a core in the new Oklahoma City model. The speculation now is that Anthony Davis, Thomas Robinson and Bradley Beal are the first three picks. Trading for No. 4 would mean a choice between the likely Nos. 4 and 5 picks, expected to be North Carolina’s Harrison Barnes and Kentucky’s Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Both are small forwards with Barnes more the Deng-like perimeter shooter and Kidd-Gilchrist the slasher and scorer. The Cavs have the cap space to absorb Deng’s $13 million salary for next season. The Bulls would get the pick and then have room under the luxury tax to make an offer with their exception to add a free agent point guard like Steve Nash, Ray Felton, Kirk Hinrich, Chauncey Billups, Andre Miller or Jason Kidd. Suddenly the potential lineup doesn’t look to bad with say, Miller, Richard Hamilton, (Kidd-Gilchrist, Barnes or Jimmy Butler), Carlos Boozer and Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah and Omer Asik as there’d then be no issue toward matching any Asik offer. And then you add Derrick Rose.

-- Kings, No. 5. The scenario would be similar to the Cavs’ as the Kings have cap space to absorb the salary and you’d get whomever the Cavs don’t take between Barnes and Kidd-Gilchrist. But the Bulls also could go for a shooter like Jeremy Lamb or maybe combo guard like Austin Rivers figuring Hamilton has one season left and Butler can play small forward. You still use the savings for your point guard to fill in for Rose and then have a high level three-guard rotation when Rose returns.

-- Warriors, No. 7. By the way, I don’t see the Bobcats dealing No. 2 for Deng, though there was said to be Charlotte interest in Gay. The Wizards at No. 3 seem intent on using their pick after trading for veterans Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza. Portland at No. 6 has a quality small forward in Nicholas Batum, who is a restricted free agent. I’m not sure I’d deal with the Warriors. At No. 7 you’d probably have a choice among Lamb, Dion Waiters (whom I’m not a fan of), Rivers (whom I am) and maybe Terrence Ross or the latest hot point guard, Damian Lillard. It would be a chance to add a young talent. But with the Warriors over the cap, you’d have to match salary and take back Dorell Wright and likely Andris Biedrins or Richard Jefferson. No way I’d do that. There’d have to be other teams involved and those deals don’t usually work out.

-- Raptors, No. 8. They also have cap space to absorb Deng’s contract. So the Bulls would get the cap relief to use their exception and presumably add one of the free agent point guards, which is the major offseason need. The issue then is would you get a player good enough in the long term to give up Deng? Look, Deng is an All-Star and as Thibodeau said so many times the “glue” for the team. And he’s only 27. Would Rivers be there? Is he that good? John Henson? Marshall? Zeller? Ross? Terrence Jones? Do the Bulls like any of them that much? Though the Raptors really could use a point guard with Jose Calderon’s contract expiring after next season. You assume they’d rather have the rookie point guard prospect to team with DeMar DeRozan.

-- Hornets, No. 10. After trading Ariza they’d have a need for Deng, but the talk is they also will go the young core route and don’t want more veterans. They’ll resign Eric Gordon or match any offer and probably pick Tyler Zeller, the seven foot North Carolina center, after trading Okafor and likely losing Chris Kaman to free agency.

[red222]

According to a league source, the going rate for Deng is a lottery pick, as well as dealing away a veteran with a contract, preferably expiring after the 2012-13 season, to make salaries match

http://www.csnchicago.com/basketball-ch ... edID=10332

The Bulls should find a way to do it.

THEY WONT