2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[rtblues]

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Word on the street is that he could drop because New York and Lakers don't want to invest time on him.
If that's the case, I think we must do a trade to go up for him. He's, after Zion, the most likely to become a superstar. His fit next to Lauri is amazing.

With Fitzdale out there, the Knicks have been getting it right when it comes to their draft picks. Last year, for instance, while many people were waiting for them to draft the sort of local guy Mikal Bridges, they went ahead and draft Kevin Knox. In retrospect, it was the right move because Knox showed some glimpses of becoming really really good, while Bridges is just there. They also drafted Mitchell Robinson who was arguably the steal of last year's draft. They got that kid Kornet and have resurrected the career of Mudiay. So, if they pass on Barrett to get Culver, that should definitely be a red flag on Barrett. The best case scenario for the Bulls to get Garland is to have Culver, Reddish and Hunter get drafted ahead of number 7. By the way, it would suck for the Knicks to only come out of the draft with only Culver after purposely losing all these games.

You make some great points however I just wonder if NY would pass on RJ Barrett.
Knicks fans are already foaming at the mouth over not getting 1, or 2, and if the F/O were to pass on Barrett I think they might storm MSG!

Lakers? Who the F knows what those weirdos may or may not do. My gut tells me they''re trading their pick, as Lebron is in win now mode and doesn't have time for player development.

[Dresden]

Word on the street is that he could drop because New York and Lakers don't want to invest time on him.
If that's the case, I think we must do a trade to go up for him. He's, after Zion, the most likely to become a superstar. His fit next to Lauri is amazing.

With Fitzdale out there, the Knicks have been getting it right when it comes to their draft picks. Last year, for instance, while many people were waiting for them to draft the sort of local guy Mikal Bridges, they went ahead and draft Kevin Knox. In retrospect, it was the right move because Knox showed some glimpses of becoming really really good, while Bridges is just there. They also drafted Mitchell Robinson who was arguably the steal of last year's draft. They got that kid Kornet and have resurrected the career of Mudiay. So, if they pass on Barrett to get Culver, that should definitely be a red flag on Barrett. The best case scenario for the Bulls to get Garland is to have Culver, Reddish and Hunter get drafted ahead of number 7. By the way, it would suck for the Knicks to only come out of the draft with only Culver after purposely losing all these games.

You make some great points however I just wonder if NY would pass on RJ Barrett.
Knicks fans are already foaming at the mouth over not getting 1, or 2, and if the F/O were to pass on Barrett I think they might storm MSG!

Lakers? Who the F knows what those weirdos may or may not do. My gut tells me they''re trading their pick, as Lebron is in win now mode and doesn't have time for player development.

I think Knicks made a big mistake taking Knox over Bridges. Knox had a few great games, but overall, his numbers were really poor. I never liked him coming out of KU- all he could do was score, and he didn't do that very efficiently. Bridges actually had a pretty good rookie season, and I think he'll be a much better pro than Knox.

[Red Larrivee]

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Word on the street is that he could drop because New York and Lakers don't want to invest time on him.
If that's the case, I think we must do a trade to go up for him. He's, after Zion, the most likely to become a superstar. His fit next to Lauri is amazing.

With Fitzdale out there, the Knicks have been getting it right when it comes to their draft picks. Last year, for instance, while many people were waiting for them to draft the sort of local guy Mikal Bridges, they went ahead and draft Kevin Knox. In retrospect, it was the right move because Knox showed some glimpses of becoming really really good, while Bridges is just there.

Uh...Knox was one of the worst rookies in the league last season. He played over 2000 minutes and had a negative WS.

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[AshyLarrysDiaper]

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Sounds like Hunter could fall a bit.

[panthermark]

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Sounds like Hunter could fall a bit.

He had:
Culver 4th
Cam going 5th
Garland 6th
White 7th
Hunter going 8th.

I'll be fine if we get to choose between Hunter and White. Might even be able to trade down with the Wiz if you really want White. I doubt Atlanta takes him at #8.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

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Sounds like Hunter could fall a bit.

He had:
Culver 4th
Cam going 5th
Garland 6th
White 7th
Hunter going 8th.

I'll be fine if we get to choose between Hunter and White. Might even be able to trade down with the Wiz if you really want White. I doubt Atlanta takes him at #8.

The Bulls choosing White over Hunter is pretty much my draft nightmare.

[bearadonisdna]

Just finished watching duke vs mich in the elite 8.
Cam didn't start because of a hand fracture/ bone bruise. Coach k probably didn't go more than 3 minutes without cam because of an inauspicious start.

Cam was a stout defender.
Was hardly attacked in the 2nd half because they didn't have success in the 1st half.

Offensively-
When a team is reliant on a point guard for handling you are allocating a lot of time w/ the ball to a player that isn't particularly that threatening.

In a game like this every second that Jones had the ball and not Zion, Barrett, reddish was a win .

Reddish had limited opportunities, but not touches. A lot of touch and pass.

Would have to out the onus on the defense and cam wasn't a part of that. It's because duke wasn't able to keep MS and other smaller programs without any stars from getting buckets.

[panthermark]

The Bulls choosing White over Hunter is pretty much my draft nightmare.

I slightly prefer Hunter, but I will give the FO the benefit of the doubt in drafting.

No matter what, I would still go after Brogdon. If White is drafted, he would get his minutes by backing up both guard spots.

[MGB8]

My new draft order unless trades occur.

1. NO - Of course
2. Memphis - Of course
3. New York - Culver (impresses at workout, better off ball player and defender to play w/ Superstars they sign in FA)
4. LA - Hunter (same reasoning as Culver, LeBron wants the more NBA ready, 3 pt shooter to make his run. No need for a PG if they keep Ball and LeBron is the Point Forward)
5. Cleveland - RJ (Alpha, face of franchise, hope to fan base)
6. Pho - White (College proven point guard, rumored to have made promise to at combine)
7. Chi - Garland (Basketball God's don't completely hate us)

Honestly, when it comes to Garland and White, they both have their faults and either one of them could be better than the other. It's more of a toss up than people are projecting. It's just that Garland is more of the unknown because his play was limited, and as such there is more of an allure to his game because there isn't enough games to pick at.

While this seemingly seems to be the top 7 draftees, I'm going to put it out there that some player is going to sneak into the top 7 who currently isn't in most mock drafts. I feel that player is going to be Reddish or Hayes, most likely Reddish because he has all the tools to impress during work outs and there is always some stupid team who gets suckered in by workouts more than they really should.

I don't know if I quite agree.

Yes, the "unknown" factor helps Garland a lot. That said, I think what is known about White is what hurts him. His 3 point shooting left him in the tournament, and there's something about Garland's forms vs. White that at least make me (and I think a lot of others) more confident in Garland as a natural shooter. White's pace and decision making also was "meh" in the tourney.

At the same time, I think folks are overly down on White - he still, at least to me, looked like UNC's best overall player - despite being a freshman. He was a big part of their defense, and really, they asked a ton of him on both ends. He didn't really deliver... but, again, freshman. There is far more upside there than folks are admitting.

I still think White compares pretty closely to Jrue Holiday as a prospect coming into the league. If that's right - adding a young Jrue Holiday to the Bulls team, if that's what occurs, is not exactly an awful outcome.

[johnnyvann840]

We should get a poll going.

I think if the Knicks pass on RJ at 3, they are going to be sorry. I have him at #2 ahead of Ja. I just can't get over Ja's utter lack of effort on defense. He plays so upright. RJ played in Zion's shadow, which I think really hurt his stock. I would still take Ja in the top 5.

My board top 15. I know it deviates greatly from most mocks but... it's who I like not anybody else.

Zion
RJ
Ja
Culver
Hunter
Garland
Rui Hachimura
Coby White
Sekou D.
Goga Bitazde
Nassir Little
Bruno Fernando
Reddish
Hayes
Brandon Clarke


Check out the poll from last year about 5 days before the draft.. it's interesting.

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Yikes! Praying THAT doesn't happen!
Rui Hachimura? Um, hard pass! Absolutely wrong pick and fit!
Hard Pass!

Like I said that's not my mock draft. It's my board. And Rui is gonna be a stud. I would actually be fine with him. I want Hunter and the Bulls will probably get him, but I would take him earlier if I were ahead of the Bulls in the 5 spot. or 6

[johnnyvann840]

Word on the street is that he could drop because New York and Lakers don't want to invest time on him.
If that's the case, I think we must do a trade to go up for him. He's, after Zion, the most likely to become a superstar. His fit next to Lauri is amazing.

With Fitzdale out there, the Knicks have been getting it right when it comes to their draft picks. Last year, for instance, while many people were waiting for them to draft the sort of local guy Mikal Bridges, they went ahead and draft Kevin Knox. In retrospect, it was the right move because Knox showed some glimpses of becoming really really good, while Bridges is just there.

Uh...Knox was one of the worst rookies in the league last season. He played over 2000 minutes and had a negative WS.

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I didn't like Knox going into last year's draft and I like him even less after his rookie season. Admittedly, I didn't see much of him but what I did see was exactly what I thought he was.

[JimmyJammer]

Word on the street is that he could drop because New York and Lakers don't want to invest time on him.
If that's the case, I think we must do a trade to go up for him. He's, after Zion, the most likely to become a superstar. His fit next to Lauri is amazing.

With Fitzdale out there, the Knicks have been getting it right when it comes to their draft picks. Last year, for instance, while many people were waiting for them to draft the sort of local guy Mikal Bridges, they went ahead and draft Kevin Knox. In retrospect, it was the right move because Knox showed some glimpses of becoming really really good, while Bridges is just there.

Uh...Knox was one of the worst rookies in the league last season. He played over 2000 minutes and had a negative WS.

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Knox has the skillset, the size and the upside, but he has had problems staying healthy. I saw him in Summerleague and preseason, and I must say I was very impressed. I think he is going to be fine.

[johnnyvann840]

Rui Hachimura



I mean, what's not to like? I've read some things about him and his game not translating, blah, blah. The kid is just a winner. He's gonna surprise a lot of people. 6'8".. and long with a 7'2" WS. Good shooter, nice touch around the basket.

[johnnyvann840]

I think Red brought up a really important point in one of his posts. He mentioned that what he looks for in a prospect is a player who shows that he can improve year-to-year and that's one of the things Hachimura does show us. Just from the beginning of the college season to the end last year he made tremendous strides.

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[nomorezorro]

Rui Hachimura



I mean, what's not to like? I've read some things about him and his game not translating, blah, blah. The kid is just a winner. He's gonna surprise a lot of people. 6'8".. and long with a 7'2" WS. Good shooter, nice touch around the basket.

these stats don't reflect his bad defense + court awareness. also the 3pt% last year was on super low volume and he's a career 31.6% shooter behind the arc (although he's got a solid enough stroke that he should probably be able to grow that area of his game)

i think rui should probably be able to carve out a role in the league but watching him actually play will give you a different takeaway than looking at his stats. he shouldn't be considered in the top 10

[nomorezorro]

i guesss there's a case to be made for rui as a late bloomer worth betting on considering his background, but still, he's got a lavine-esque ability to make you go "how is someone who is good at some basketball stuff so fundamentally awful at other, seemingly basic basketball stuff?"

[johnnyvann840]

Just finished watching duke vs mich in the elite 8.
Cam didn't start because of a hand fracture/ bone bruise. Coach k probably didn't go more than 3 minutes without cam because of an inauspicious start.

Cam was a stout defender.
Was hardly attacked in the 2nd half because they didn't have success in the 1st half.

Offensively-
When a team is reliant on a point guard for handling you are allocating a lot of time w/ the ball to a player that isn't particularly that threatening.

In a game like this every second that Jones had the ball and not Zion, Barrett, reddish was a win .

Reddish had limited opportunities, but not touches. A lot of touch and pass.

Would have to out the onus on the defense and cam wasn't a part of that. It's because duke wasn't able to keep MS and other smaller programs without any stars from getting buckets.

Not to be the comprehension police but I think you have inauspicious confused with auspicious.

in·aus·pi·cious
/ˌinôˈspiSHəs/
adjective
adjective: inauspicious

not conducive to success; unpromising.

[sco]

https://www.lakersnation.com/2019-nba-draft-rumors-knicks-could-consider-selecting-jarrett-culver-over-rj-barrett-with-no-3-pick/2019/05/27/

More fodder (maybe just LA hopes) that NY takes Culver. Then LA would take Barrett (or NO as part of Trade).

[nomorezorro]

forcing zion to play with barrett again is too cruel to even think about

[panthermark]

i guesss there's a case to be made for rui as a late bloomer worth betting on considering his background, but still, he's got a lavine-esque ability to make you go "how is someone who is good at some basketball stuff so fundamentally awful at other, seemingly basic basketball stuff?"

That is really interesting that you mentioned Zach....I just read this about Rui.


Pacers PSA: Whatever you do, don’t draft Rui Hachimura
https://8points9seconds.com/2019/05/27/pacers-psa-rui-hachimura/

The major limiting factor for Rui Hachimura’s offensive game is his complete lack of feel for the game and slow overall processing.

Decision making is king in the NBA and is a key trait for everyone who is not an elite shot-maker or generational athlete to possess.

It is the trait limiting a supremely talented player like Zach LaVine from ever being as valuable as he could be.