2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[kulaz3000]

Ball would be the worst case scenerio for me.

[TheSuzerain]

Lauri and Gafford for #2 (no swap) would work for me. Take 1 gamble (Wiseman/LaMelo) and 1 safe (Deni/Okongwu).

Why would you want to add two players from this draft?

Well if it only costs Lauri and Gafford

[MrSparkle]

Lauri and Gafford for #2 (no swap) would work for me. Take 1 gamble (Wiseman/LaMelo) and 1 safe (Deni/Okongwu).

Why would you want to add two players from this draft?

Do you think there are 30 bad players in this draft?

IMO Lauri and Gafford are bad players with good roles on great teams. Bad futures on the building Bulls. Lauri is an RFA next summer. He’s as good as gone... or overpaid.

[Chi town]

Lauri and Gafford for #2 (no swap) would work for me. Take 1 gamble (Wiseman/LaMelo) and 1 safe (Deni/Okongwu).

Why would you want to add two players from this draft?

Well if it only costs Lauri and Gafford

It’ll cost us Wiggins and his contract too.

[MrSparkle]

Why would you want to add two players from this draft?

Well if it only costs Lauri and Gafford

It’ll cost us Wiggins and his contract too.

Ha well that wasn’t my proposal. Zero chance I take back Wiggins.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Luka is a generational player, Deni is going to be lucky to be a starter calibre player in this league, and even that, I'm not entirely convinced he can be.

Its these kinds of statements is why someone like Luka goes 3rd. If everyone thought he was a generational talent, no way he goes 3rd. Mark Cuban did his homework and sold the farm to make it happen.

There have been far more misses than hits when it comes to foreign players but the moment someone delivers, there are tons to say I told you so.

But I get it. People are inhaling alot of Luka fumes when it comes to 6'8 players who have pg skills that can play. That's just wishful thinking. My guess, someone wont deliver, but some certainly will.

[bullslas]

Bulls are not trading Lauri! Arturas has a good relationship with Lauri’s agents, if anyone goes its Carter who hasn’t shown anything since summer league his rookie season.

[MrSparkle]

Bulls are not trading Lauri! Arturas has a good relationship with Lauri’s agents, if anyone goes its Carter who hasn’t shown anything since summer league his rookie season.

I believe that.

[BullsFTW]

Lauri and Gafford for #2 (no swap) would work for me. Take 1 gamble (Wiseman/LaMelo) and 1 safe (Deni/Okongwu).

There’s no way GSW will trade #2 for Lauri & Gafford. It has to be Lauri + #4 for #2, which I will NOT do. GSW asking price is high, and I’m sure if they were to trade #2, it has to be for an all-star.

[BullsFTW]

Bulls are not trading Lauri! Arturas has a good relationship with Lauri’s agents, if anyone goes its Carter who hasn’t shown anything since summer league his rookie season.

I still think WCJ could be a solid two-way center, but he needs to stay healthy. Him missing games is slowing his development.

[kulaz3000]

Luka is a generational player, Deni is going to be lucky to be a starter calibre player in this league, and even that, I'm not entirely convinced he can be.

Its these kinds of statements is why someone like Luka goes 3rd. If everyone thought he was a generational talent, no way he goes 3rd. Mark Cuban did his homework and sold the farm to make it happen.

There have been far more misses than hits when it comes to foreign players but the moment someone delivers, there are tons to say I told you so.

But I get it. People are inhaling alot of Luka fumes when it comes to 6'8 players who have pg skills that can play. That's just wishful thinking. My guess, someone wont deliver, but some certainly will.

He went 3rd, not 20th. It's an entirely different discussion.

Though young, he was playing professional basketball at a extremely high level in the second best league in the world. His floor was high, and doubts came from how high his cieling would be.

There are several factors that goes against Deni, is that he was playing in an average league and he hardly dominated on that level, unlike Luka. His skillset, albeit still young isn't nearly as advanced as Luka at the same age.

I just don't think it's a fair comparison, and this is coming from someone who would be happy to draft Deni at number 4, but I sure as hell am not going to allow myself to wish upon a Luka level player. I'd be happy if he becomes just a quality starter level player.

[LateNight]

Bulls are not trading Lauri! Arturas has a good relationship with Lauri’s agents, if anyone goes its Carter who hasn’t shown anything since summer league his rookie season.

I believe that.

I disagree with this. You could make make an argument that Carter still has the highest ceiling of our young players.

I’m not sure - but I wouldn’t be surprised Carters defensive awareness and impact on any given night had more value than an average night of Lauri’s offense.

[BullsFTW]

Luka is a generational player, Deni is going to be lucky to be a starter calibre player in this league, and even that, I'm not entirely convinced he can be.

Its these kinds of statements is why someone like Luka goes 3rd. If everyone thought he was a generational talent, no way he goes 3rd. Mark Cuban did his homework and sold the farm to make it happen.

There have been far more misses than hits when it comes to foreign players but the moment someone delivers, there are tons to say I told you so.

But I get it. People are inhaling alot of Luka fumes when it comes to 6'8 players who have pg skills that can play. That's just wishful thinking. My guess, someone wont deliver, but some certainly will.

He went 3rd, not 20th. It's an entirely different discussion.

Though young, he was playing professional basketball at a extremely high level in the second best league in the world. His floor was high, and doubts came from how high his cieling would be.

There are several factors that goes against Deni, is that he was playing in an average league and he hardly dominated on that level, unlike Luka. His skillset, albeit still young isn't nearly as advanced as Luka at the same age.

I just don't think it's a fair comparison, and this is coming from someone who would be happy to draft Deni at number 4, but I sure as hell am not going to allow myself to wish upon a Luka level player. I'd be happy if he becomes just a quality starter level player.

They do have similarities. Both are solid ball-handlers, cerebral passers, and have a high basketball IQ. But it stops at that. Luka has way more scoring skills and he does it consistently. Although Deni is a little more athletic, Luka’s overall skill set at the same age is a level ahead of Deni. To be fair, I can’t think of anyone who was more skilled than Luka at the same age the past two decades.

[Chi town]

Bulls are not trading Lauri! Arturas has a good relationship with Lauri’s agents, if anyone goes its Carter who hasn’t shown anything since summer league his rookie season.

That’d be great! I’m all for starting Gafford and signing a bet like RoLo. Kornet can be 5th big.

What can WCJ get us in this draft?

He’s gone if it gets us Hali, Vassell or Nesmith.

I’d even trade him for Culver from last year.

[kulaz3000]

Bulls are not trading Lauri! Arturas has a good relationship with Lauri’s agents, if anyone goes its Carter who hasn’t shown anything since summer league his rookie season.

If Arturas isn't going to trade players because of relationships with agents, then we made the wrong choice with his hire. Now, I don't believe that to be the case, nor am I naive enough to think that management and agent relationships aren't a factor, but especially when you've been hired to lead the ship on a franchise for the first time, you're not going to make decisions like keeping a player just because of a friendship with a players agent, if you feel he doesn't fit in your long term vision of the team. If he keeps him, because he feels he was simply not used appropriately, and feels that he still has a lot to show, then that's different.

[BullsFTW]

I’d say keep both Lauri and WCJ. See how they perform under a new coach. Make a decision after that.

[Chi town]

I’d say keep both Lauri and WCJ. See how they perform under a new coach. Make a decision after that.

By now we know AK is very patient. I’m sure that’s his plan and he won’t be making a deal unless he gets blown away... which I don’t see happening.

[Jcool0]

They do have similarities. Both are solid ball-handlers, cerebral passers, and have a high basketball IQ. But it stops at that. Luka has way more scoring skills and he does it consistently. Although Deni is a little more athletic, Luka’s overall skill set at the same age is a level ahead of Deni. To be fair, I can’t think of anyone who was more skilled than Luka at the same age the past two decades.

[Chicagoat]

I’d say keep both Lauri and WCJ. See how they perform under a new coach. Make a decision after that.

Carter has already expressed the desire to play the 4. I can't see Lauri AND Carter on opening night.

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[MrSparkle]

Bulls are not trading Lauri! Arturas has a good relationship with Lauri’s agents, if anyone goes its Carter who hasn’t shown anything since summer league his rookie season.

I believe that.

I disagree with this. You could make make an argument that Carter still has the highest ceiling of our young players.

I’m not sure - but I wouldn’t be surprised Carters defensive awareness and impact on any given night had more value than an average night of Lauri’s offense.

Ha. Well not to sound like I agree with everybody, but I agree with you as well. Not about Carter having the highest ceiling (I think it's Coby or Zach), but his impact can have more value than Lauri's offense.

But for better or worse, I do think Artunas will do what he can to put Lauri in a situation to succeed.

Both had injury riddled regression seasons. Big men do generally take time to develop. I just don't see a light at the end of the tunnel unless they develop some fairly lofty goals though (Lauri - 40%+ 3P, 5+ FTApg, 10+ rpg... WCJ needs to develop a good jumper out of nothing). It didn't happen often, but when he was healthy and in shape, Wendell's defense was good for the team.