The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[Ebo21]

Been watching his game a lot closer since the draft. I’m seeing a comparison to Cliff Robinson with mean midrange. What y’all think?

[Benedict Miller]

I've warmed up to the pick after a couple of days. He does have good potential in several areas of his game.

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[BullsFTW]

Are you kidding me? Lol - this dude showed every offensive move in the book in those scrimmages. Dinwiddie knows what’s up- he passed and watched him score at will on Ingram. Finishes with either hand inside, cross-over/stepback/fadeaway, 1-hand floaters/baby-hook, cross-court passes.

Edwards’ pro day looked like amateur hour compared to this, and both were practice videos.

Wow. I’m beginning to think this was a masterful job at hiding-the-prospect. Fact that these videos are creeping out after draft day. He had the private work out with Chicago. Bulls went through the motions with LaMelo, Wiseman, Edwards and everybody else while not really reporting any serious interest.

I was wondering if that was Ingram guarding Pat Will. Man I know it’s just scrimmages but he looks smooth. I may be reaching but he looks like a different player from the one that played for FSU.

[RSP83]

Going by the scrimmage footage, Pat could lead the league in scoring and Spencer could lead the league in assists. Spencer was seemingly passing him to him constantly.

If only GarPax didn't throw Spencer away to keep the likes of Jerian Grant, Isiah Canaan and MCW, we could have them both.

I got dogged out about that situation. Boy I hated Garpax.

This is still my most favorite GarPax blunders, Bulls should do GarPax AMA and remind them of these 2 things:

1. GarPax, how do you feel about keeping Jerian, Cam Payne, MCW, Isaiah Canaan over Spencer Dinwiddie?

2. GarPax, please tell us about the genius move that is Doug McDermott for Gary Harris and Jusuf Nurkic?

[RSP83]

Been watching his game a lot closer since the draft. I’m seeing a comparison to Cliff Robinson with mean midrange. What y’all think?

I remember uncle Cliffy, I think they are different. Cliff was closer to a prototypical 4 who can step out and hit the 3. Young Cliff was skinny and wiry compare to typical 4 at the time. Pat has more power in his game. Cliff was taller, and used his length more.

[Dez]

I've warmed up to the pick after a couple of days. He does have good potential in several areas of his game.

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Got some definite touch with that right hand out to the free throw line.

[StunnerKO]

Are you kidding me? Lol - this dude showed every offensive move in the book in those scrimmages. Dinwiddie knows what’s up- he passed and watched him score at will on Ingram. Finishes with either hand inside, cross-over/stepback/fadeaway, 1-hand floaters/baby-hook, cross-court passes.

Edwards’ pro day looked like amateur hour compared to this, and both were practice videos.

Wow. I’m beginning to think this was a masterful job at hiding-the-prospect. Fact that these videos are creeping out after draft day. He had the private work out with Chicago. Bulls went through the motions with LaMelo, Wiseman, Edwards and everybody else while not really reporting any serious interest.

I was wondering if that was Ingram guarding Pat Will. Man I know it’s just scrimmages but he looks smooth. I may be reaching but he looks like a different player from the one that played for FSU.

Naw that’s Bruno

[Portiseyes]

Are you kidding me? Lol - this dude showed every offensive move in the book in those scrimmages. Dinwiddie knows what’s up- he passed and watched him score at will on Ingram. Finishes with either hand inside, cross-over/stepback/fadeaway, 1-hand floaters/baby-hook, cross-court passes.

Edwards’ pro day looked like amateur hour compared to this, and both were practice videos.

Wow. I’m beginning to think this was a masterful job at hiding-the-prospect. Fact that these videos are creeping out after draft day. He had the private work out with Chicago. Bulls went through the motions with LaMelo, Wiseman, Edwards and everybody else while not really reporting any serious interest.

Bet whoever made the films got them to the Bulls and other lotto teams (Big Guard U?). The agent maybe. He prob backed it all up in a private workout with Chicago, and they were like hey kid, we got you at #4. Bet it was his first or second workout if there were any others. LOL Detroit may have been the other workout. Williams made sure not to say who he was working out with. Heck even after the draft he wouldn't verify a Chicago workout. The promise seems real.

Makes me think about AKs presser when he said they were ready to pick in what, June or something ? And PWs presser when he said he talks to Coby every other day to ask questions about the League and it was a funny coincidence he ended up getting drafted by the Bulls... Incredible they could keep a promise under wraps for that long.

[cjbulls]

I've already covered this.They ended up in a weird spot at 4. I would have:

1. Traded up to 2 using WCJ and taken Wiseman
2. Traded up to 3 using WCJ and taken Ball
3. Entertained any other trade that gets you Ball, Wiseman or Edwards
4. Traded Detroit for 7/16. Likely taken Hayes. I have no idea who I would have taken at 16, probably a wing (Green or Bey). Definitely would have looked into moving up into the top 12/13 for Kira/Hali (last part not exactly realistic)
5. Stay at 4 and take Hayes/Okoro/Deni/Hali/Toppin, most likely in that order

This is pathetic, you keep skirting the question. You keep throwing out these hypothetical scenarios while having zero information that these were ever a possibility, you weren't in the room, you don't know if they tried to trade up or down, from all indication nobody wanted to make a move in a weak draft.

WHO WOULD YOU HAVE TAKEN AT #4?? . I personally liked Hayes, but I can't say with any type of confidence that he will absolutely be a better NBA player than Williams. You don't get to choose the field and then claim you were a genius when one of over a dozen guys actually ends up panning out. Pick a guy and in 3-4 years we'll see if they end up being a better prospect than PWill.

Basically he has no real answer. He literally wants to say he is right.

I literally provided 5 alternative scenarios, and the fifth is a list of 5 guys I would have taken ahead of him, yet you describe it as “I have no answer”?

Is reading that difficult?

[Portiseyes]

Are you kidding me? Lol - this dude showed every offensive move in the book in those scrimmages. Dinwiddie knows what’s up- he passed and watched him score at will on Ingram. Finishes with either hand inside, cross-over/stepback/fadeaway, 1-hand floaters/baby-hook, cross-court passes.

Edwards’ pro day looked like amateur hour compared to this, and both were practice videos.

Wow. I’m beginning to think this was a masterful job at hiding-the-prospect. Fact that these videos are creeping out after draft day. He had the private work out with Chicago. Bulls went through the motions with LaMelo, Wiseman, Edwards and everybody else while not really reporting any serious interest.

I was wondering if that was Ingram guarding Pat Will. Man I know it’s just scrimmages but he looks smooth. I may be reaching but he looks like a different player from the one that played for FSU.

Naw that’s Bruno

My bad. I wasn’t sure... watching it on my phone.

[JohnnyTapwater]

This is what I'm expecting of Patrick Williams: Extremely efficient star role player along with our high powered shooters. A perfect compliment.

Luol Deng floor - Kawhi Leonard ceiling

These are some numbers I came up with based on some arbitrary formula that made sense to me.

Year 1 - 23.3 Min- 12.2 PPG- 6.2 REB- 2.6 Assist- 1.4 STL- .6 BLK- 47.9% FG- 36.0% 3PT- 79.7% FT
Year 2 - 24.0 Min- 14.6 PPG- 6.6 REB- 2.7 Assist- 1.4 STL- .7 BLK- 48.5% FG- 36.6% 3PT- 81.5% FT
Year 3 - 29.1 Min- 15.2 PPG- 6.9 REB- 3.1 Assist- 1.4 STL- .7 BLK- 49.8% FG- 37.1% 3PT- 83.2% FT
Year 4 - 31.2 Min- 17.5 PPG- 7.1 REB- 3.2 Assist- 1.6 STL- .8 BLK- 50.3% FG- 37.3% 3PT- 83.8% FT
Year 5 - 31.8 Min- 17.7 PPG- 7.3 REB- 4.3 Assist- 1.7 STL- .9 BLK- 51.9% FG- 41.4% 3PT- 85.1% FT

Would you be happy with this projection?

[cjbulls]

This is what I'm expecting of Patrick Williams: Extremely efficient star role player along with our high powered shooters. A perfect compliment.

Luol Deng floor - Kawhi Leonard ceiling

These are some numbers I came up with based on some arbitrary formula that made sense to me.

Year 1 - 23.3 Min- 12.2 PPG- 6.2 REB- 2.6 Assist- 1.4 STL- .6 BLK- 47.9% FG- 36.0% 3PT- 79.7% FT
Year 2 - 24.0 Min- 14.6 PPG- 6.6 REB- 2.7 Assist- 1.4 STL- .7 BLK- 48.5% FG- 36.6% 3PT- 81.5% FT
Year 3 - 29.1 Min- 15.2 PPG- 6.9 REB- 3.1 Assist- 1.4 STL- .7 BLK- 49.8% FG- 37.1% 3PT- 83.2% FT
Year 4 - 31.2 Min- 17.5 PPG- 7.1 REB- 3.2 Assist- 1.6 STL- .8 BLK- 50.3% FG- 37.3% 3PT- 83.8% FT
Year 5 - 31.8 Min- 17.7 PPG- 7.3 REB- 4.3 Assist- 1.7 STL- .9 BLK- 51.9% FG- 41.4% 3PT- 85.1% FT

Would you be happy with this projection?

If you have:

(1) everyone agrees this is a bad draft
and
(2) Patrick Williams is a prospect in the 4-14 range

You cannot have a Deng Floor/Kawhi ceiling. That floor/ceiling is a unanimous #1 pick.

[sco]

My floor/ceiling is Anthony Bennett/Kawhi Leonard. Obviously there is a bunch of edited hype to make us feel good. Feeling good about scrimmages reminds me about how McDermott was lighting it up on team USA when he was on the practice squad. Making those shots in a real NBA game is much tougher. I have no doubt we'll be labeling him a bust to start the season. He'll be missing a ton of shots, turning it over a ton, fouling out. He'll be coming off the bench too. Welcome to the rookie season of Pat Williams. Honestly, if he has some flashes of strong play this year, I'd call it a win. Expecting more than that is foolish and unrealistic for a 19 year old.

His ultimate success will come from work ethic, which is a ton harder than it is leading up to the draft...you have the taste of the good life and it's hard to get out there when your a kid in a candy store. It's only the minority of guys that can do it...we just think more do because they are the ones we remember. I remember Tyrus' soul eating fire...shooting 800 3's a day...where's he now?

[Bankshot]

Are you kidding me? Lol - this dude showed every offensive move in the book in those scrimmages. Dinwiddie knows what’s up- he passed and watched him score at will on Ingram. Finishes with either hand inside, cross-over/stepback/fadeaway, 1-hand floaters/baby-hook, cross-court passes.

Edwards’ pro day looked like amateur hour compared to this, and both were practice videos.

Wow. I’m beginning to think this was a masterful job at hiding-the-prospect. Fact that these videos are creeping out after draft day. He had the private work out with Chicago. Bulls went through the motions with LaMelo, Wiseman, Edwards and everybody else while not really reporting any serious interest.

Whatever worries I had are gone, this kids handle is top notch not to mention his pull up J is nasty with his elevation and really good form. Every bit of that video impressed the heck out of me. Plus I heard some folks on this forum say his athleticism wasn't elite....WTF...in addition he must have monster hands with those dunks and handle good Lord....I need to calm myself down

[cjbulls]

My floor/ceiling is Anthony Bennett/Kawhi Leonard. Obviously there is a bunch of edited hype to make us feel good. Feeling good about scrimmages reminds me about how McDermott was lighting it up on team USA when he was on the practice squad. Making those shots in a real NBA game is much tougher. I have no doubt we'll be labeling him a bust to start the season. He'll be missing a ton of shots, turning it over a ton, fouling out. He'll be coming off the bench too. Welcome to the rookie season of Pat Williams. Honestly, if he has some flashes of strong play this year, I'd call it a win. Expecting more than that is foolish and unrealistic for a 19 year old.

His ultimate success will come from work ethic, which is a ton harder than it is leading up to the draft...you have the taste of the good life and it's hard to get out there when your a kid in a candy store. It's only the minority of guys that can do it...we just think more do because they are the ones we remember. I remember Tyrus' soul eating fire...shooting 800 3's a day...where's he now?

Agreed. Everyone needs to be patient with him. He has individual abilities, but putting it all together in an NBA game takes time and a lot of work. Plus, on this team, we have a lot of guys trying to prove themselves in the next year or two. So he will probably need to accept a lesser role while he develops (something he has already shown willingness for).

[fleet]

Are you kidding me? Lol - this dude showed every offensive move in the book in those scrimmages. Dinwiddie knows what’s up- he passed and watched him score at will on Ingram. Finishes with either hand inside, cross-over/stepback/fadeaway, 1-hand floaters/baby-hook, cross-court passes.

Edwards’ pro day looked like amateur hour compared to this, and both were practice videos.

Wow. I’m beginning to think this was a masterful job at hiding-the-prospect. Fact that these videos are creeping out after draft day. He had the private work out with Chicago. Bulls went through the motions with LaMelo, Wiseman, Edwards and everybody else while not really reporting any serious interest.

Whatever worries I had are gone, this kids handle is top notch not to mention his pull up J is nasty with his elevation and really good form. Every bit of that video impressed the heck out of me. Plus I heard some folks on this forum say his athleticism wasn't elite....WTF...in addition he must have monster hands with those dunks and handle good Lord....I need to calm myself down

Thursday and Friday, wow. AK should have walked around with security detail. Bulls fans lost their damn minds. Worse than the Taj Gibson experience. The tide seems to be turning. I don’t know why. The tide doesn’t need to flow any direction actually. You need a solid reason for genuine anger. I doubt people had solid reasons for genuine anger. 9ppg as an 18 year old freshman is not a solid reason. Starting or not is not a solid reason. Clearly he had starting abilities, he went above the leading scorer on his team. That point was made yesterday. Players aren’t scouted on stats really. On a certain level, stats figure in to season your scouting opinions sure. But come on. The level of anger was breathtaking. This thread might age well. Might not. Hard to say 3 days out.

[85Bears]

Love the conviction by AK. Pat Williams will be the best player in this draft and if Bulls had top pick, I bet AK would have taken PWill at 1.


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[Shill]

I've warmed up to the pick after a couple of days. He does have good potential in several areas of his game.

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I like what I see here.

He appears to be improving at a rapid rate.

[DuckIII]

Here is a more complete pre-draft workout and runs of Patrick Williams that was posted recently. He definitely looks a bit improved from his FSU vids. Note he is also scrimmaging with some NBA players.

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Yummy.

[DuckIII]

MJ is his floor. lol. They are obviously joking around. Come on man.

I don’t know man.

It’s like Jordan and Air Bud somehow had a kid and named him Patrick Williams.

More like Jordan and Diana Taurasi had a kid. Or, really if we could meld MJ and Lebron into one player.. then we would have Pat Will.

Diana Taurasi does not have blond hair. Air Bud does.