Deng to GS PG.13 / PG.43 Bulls Say Otherwise

ChicagoStrong · Post #941 » by **ChicagoStrong** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:32 pm

red222 wrote:
BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:
The Bulls should find a way to do it.

THEY WONT

They should only make deals that make since.

Ralphb07 · Post #942 » by **Ralphb07** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:38 pm

Wondering what you all think about either of these two deal......

Jose Calderon, James Johnson and the 8th pick for Deng

Jose Calderon, Ed Davis and the 8th pick for Deng and 29

Neither deals saves the money the Bulls want. Wondering if you all would pull the trigger on either of those though?

ChicagoStrong · Post #943 » by **ChicagoStrong** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:39 pm

I would do #1.

thedarkstark · Post #944 » by **thedarkstark** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:42 pm

I would do #2 but only if the Bulls like somebody at 8 that they think can at least replicate Deng's production.

PistolP · Post #945 » by **PistolP** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:43 pm

If the Bulls really feel like they can get a difference maker at #8, I'd do the 2nd trade. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the prospects outside the top 5.

cubd8 · Post #946 » by **cubd8** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:19 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:Wondering what you all think about either of these two deal......

Jose Calderon, James Johnson and the 8th pick for Deng

Jose Calderon, Ed Davis and the 8th pick for Deng and 29

Neither deals saves the money the Bulls want. Wondering if you all would pull the trigger on either of those though?

I wouldn't make either deal.

Is this being talked about? Is Deng being told he won't be traded or just not to GS?

Former Roy · Post #947 » by **Former Roy** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:25 pm

Calderon, Davis & #8

I'd do it....I like Ed Davis

boogydown · Post #948 » by **boogydown** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:31 pm

blumeany wrote:I guess the debate is: Will the Bulls, as constituted, really get better as a team?

Yes but it comes down to a lot of factors

- Mirotic
- Steal Trade
- Steal Picks
- Bobcats Pick

We're only really one player away from a title. A scenario I'd like to see

1). Carlos Boozer for Ben Gordon
2). Use MMLE on a PF

UGABulls · Post #949 » by **UGABulls** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:31 pm

Irregular wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
This is a fascinating discussion, that I enourage you both to post about in great detail and with great frequency in the months and years to come, at the 49ers message board nearest you.

no thanks, Im a Bears fan

LOL so you know nothing about winning in football.

step · Post #950 » by **step** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:32 pm

Jose Calderon, James Johnson and the 8th pick for Deng

I only would if I could then flip the #8 + Charlotte pick for the #2.
Then go talk to Orlando about Dwight.

cubd8 · Post #951 » by **cubd8** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:33 pm

boogydown wrote:
blumeany wrote:I guess the debate is: Will the Bulls, as constituted, really get better as a team?

Yes but it comes down to a lot of factors

- Mirotic
- Steal Trade
- Steal Picks
- Bobcats Pick

We're only really one player away from a title. A scenario I'd like to see

1). Carlos Boozer for Ben Gordon
2). Use MMLE on a PF

Has this been discussed?

MrFortune3 · Post #952 » by **MrFortune3** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:48 pm

boogydown wrote:
blumeany wrote:I guess the debate is: Will the Bulls, as constituted, really get better as a team?

Yes but it comes down to a lot of factors

- Mirotic
- Steal Trade
- Steal Picks
- Bobcats Pick

We're only really one player away from a title. A scenario I'd like to see

1). Carlos Boozer for Ben Gordon
2). Use MMLE on a PF

my only thoughts on this if it happened

jcuuofd · Post #953 » by **jcuuofd** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:03 am

I wouldn't rule out the Golden State trade just because KC Johnson says it won't happen. This years lottery will probably have the most trades in recent history with so many teams trying to adjust to the new CBA. Golden State could amnesty Richard Jefferson or bring a third team into the trade that wants Biedrins. It is also stupid of KC Johnson to make it seem like the Bulls are not considering several different offers for Deng because they will lose leverage with the team that they really do want to trade with.

I think the rumor of # 5 + Evans is the best trade scenario so far. Evans might overachieve next year because it will be a contract year for him. Barnes and Evans would also be a good fit together, Barnes takes a lot of jumpshots and Evans attacks the basket; their different style of play would create space for each other. I also think Evans cross-over skills and ability to be a secondary ball handler would help Rose a lot until he is 100%.

BIGGIEsmalls 23 · Post #954 » by **BIGGIEsmalls 23** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:41 am

ChicagoStrong wrote:
red222 wrote:
BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:
The Bulls should find a way to do it.

THEY WONT

They should only make deals that make since.

If we agree that:

-The Bulls aren't winning a title next season
-Deng will be in street clothes for the first quarter of next season
-Deng is incapable of scoring consistently enough when Rose is unable to play
-The Bulls will probably not resign Deng to a brand new huge contract in two years
-Nobody wants Boozer via trade

If we agree on that, then why do we want to keep Deng if we have a chance to better position ourselves for 2013/2014 when Rose returns to (hopefully :pray:

) pre-injury form?

othawhitemeat · Post #955 » by **othawhitemeat** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:42 am

[quote="Ralphb07"]Wondering what you all think about either of these two deal......

Jose Calderon, James Johnson and the 8th pick for Deng

Jose Calderon, Ed Davis and the 8th pick for Deng and 29

Neither deals saves the money the Bulls want. Wondering if you all would pull the trigger on either of those though?[/quote]

I would do number 2 because you could then Deal Taj if you wanted and get something good. This is the only year you are going to land a goldmine for Taj because of his deal.

AAU Teammate · Post #956 » by **AAU Teammate** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:52 am

It seems the like Trade Deng camp flippantly brings up how he doesnt shut down Lebron. I would put forth that the level of defense Deng does bring on Lebron is a main reason we're currently as close to Miami as we are.

Eliminate that defense from what we bring (to every game)...and feel the results you will.

GloriaJames · Post #957 » by **GloriaJames** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:55 am

MrFortune3 wrote:
boogydown wrote:
blumeany wrote:I guess the debate is: Will the Bulls, as constituted, really get better as a team?

Yes but it comes down to a lot of factors

- Mirotic
- Steal Trade
- Steal Picks
- Bobcats Pick

We're only really one player away from a title. A scenario I'd like to see

1). Carlos Boozer for Ben Gordon
2). Use MMLE on a PF

my only thoughts on this if it happened

You want to trade for an inferior player and leave a hole at power forward? Too many people on this board want to see the Bulls lose. I don't like that.

blumeany · Post #958 » by **blumeany** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:58 am

AAU Teammate wrote:It seems the like Trade Deng camp flippantly brings up how he doesnt shut down Lebron. I would put forth that the level of defense Deng does bring on Lebron is a main reason we're currently as close to Miami as we are.

Eliminate that defense from what we bring (to every game)...and feel the results you will.

I don't expect ANYONE to cover LeBron. Having said that, I don't think Deng has a prayer of really covering him when he's determined to score (and not just dogging it). So I can't consider that as an argument to keep him.

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blumeany · Post #959 » by **blumeany** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:04 am

GloriaJames wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
boogydown wrote:[quote="blumeany"]I guess the debate is: Will the Bulls, as constituted, really get better as a team?

Yes but it comes down to a lot of factors

- Mirotic
- Steal Trade
- Steal Picks
- Bobcats Pick

We're only really one player away from a title. A scenario I'd like to see

1). Carlos Boozer for Ben Gordon
2). Use MMLE on a PF

my only thoughts on this if it happened

You want to trade for an inferior player and leave a hole at power forward? Too many people on this board want to see the Bulls lose. I don't like that.[/quote]

Taj can start at PF if you add more offense to the SG or SF position.

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AAU Teammate · Post #960 » by **AAU Teammate** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:04 am

blumeany wrote:
AAU Teammate wrote:It seems the like Trade Deng camp flippantly brings up how he doesnt shut down Lebron. I would put forth that the level of defense Deng does bring on Lebron is a main reason we're currently as close to Miami as we are.

Eliminate that defense from what we bring (to every game)...and feel the results you will.

I don't expect ANYONE to cover LeBron. Having said that, I don't think Deng has a prayer of really covering him when he's determined to score (and not just dogging it). So I can't consider that as an argument to keep him.

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I think you're missing the nuance of my point though. With Luol defending Lebron, we flat out defend the Heat better.

Without Luol, we lost the side of the ball we were elite on. We didn't get all those wins because we are an outstanding offensive team.