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Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play?

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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#941 » by ingvald » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:07 pm

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It doesn't really make any difference in regards to Melo. However if we do amnesty him we drop below the cap and thus lose our ability to spend the MLE.


I'm horrible with cap. Say we amnesty Booz. Trade Dun and Snell, and all the unguaranteeds. How much do we have to offer him?


I don't know the exact number and I am way to burnt out but it's likely around $15 million and not enough.


Sorry if its been clarified, I haven't had time to get thru all 50 pages. Also, these numbers may not be accurate but got salaries from hoopshype-

-If the Bulls amnesty Boozer, they'll have $11.12 in cap space.
-S&T with just non-guaranteeds matches to $15.21
-S&T with Dunleavy and non-guaranteeds matches to $18.21
-S&T with Dunleavy and Butler and non-guaranteeds matches to $20.39

Bulls would still have MLE to offer Pau or Mirotic if over the cap in S&T scenario.
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#942 » by HINrichPolice » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:08 pm

Skimmed through page 27. Gotta get ready for work. I'm expecting quick and thorough updates on Melo's and the Bulls FO's trip to LA!
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#943 » by DRoseCantStop » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:08 pm

BullsFTW wrote:So it's the Lakers fans turn to visit our board. Lol.

We follow where Melo goes

Didn't see any Mavs fans. Not surprised, they're pretty chill.
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#944 » by BullsFTW » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:12 pm

LobosJordan wrote:This isn't 2009. Pau and Kobe couldn't even win with Nash and Dwight Howard. Not to mention Buss dying. This isn't the same Lakers organization from the 80s, and 00s.

Long Live Jerry Buss. One of the greatest owners in sports.

Unfortunately, that franchise ain't the same without him.
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#945 » by LobosJordan » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:13 pm

Jerry Buss was a genius. By far the best owner in NBA history.
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#946 » by GMgoran » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:13 pm

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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#947 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:27 pm

ingvald wrote:Sorry if its been clarified, I haven't had time to get thru all 50 pages. Also, these numbers may not be accurate but got salaries from hoopshype-

-If the Bulls amnesty Boozer, they'll have $11.12 in cap space.
-S&T with just non-guaranteeds matches to $15.21
-S&T with Dunleavy and non-guaranteeds matches to $18.21
-S&T with Dunleavy and Butler and non-guaranteeds matches to $20.39

Bulls would still have MLE to offer Pau or Mirotic if over the cap in S&T scenario.



Not if they are S&T into cap space as in your scenario. In order for a Boozer amnesty to open up 11 million in cap space the Bulls need to renounce the MLE, BAE, and the Teague TPE.
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Post#948 » by Chitownbulls » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:30 pm

I feel like something big will happen today!!!! Bulls going all out....Melo an Pau!!!
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Post#949 » by Chitownbulls » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:32 pm

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Post#950 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:34 pm

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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#951 » by jmajew » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:35 pm

I'm beginning to think the Bulls may have to throw everything at the knicks in order to get Melo. I just have a suspicion he wants the money. I'm beginning to think it will be Boozer, Mirotic, and 3 firsts for Melo. With Melo starting at 20 mil a year. Bulls keep MLE and sign Gasol as well. That is what I'm thinking right now.
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#952 » by punkmodafunk » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:36 pm

I think the s&t we've been looking for is real, despite the rumours of NY not being interested in Boozer.

What if:

- The sign & trade for Melo involves Boozer + Mirotic. That leaves us with 1 PF: Taj Gibson.

- With the s&t done, we are able to use the MLE, which probably is what we are gonna offer Pau Gasol.
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#953 » by Chitownbulls » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:37 pm

jmajew wrote:I'm beginning to think the Bulls may have to throw everything at the knicks in order to get Melo. I just have a suspicion he wants the money. I'm beginning to think it will be Boozer, Mirotic, and 3 firsts for Melo. With Melo starting at 20 mil a year. Bulls keep MLE and sign Gasol as well. That is what I'm thinking right now.


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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#954 » by TyrusRose2425 » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:37 pm

I hope RGM Bulls LA squad is out at Staples today in their Bulls gear
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#955 » by kuly1990 » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:38 pm

i doubt that Gasol signs for that money, he probably wants more, and wants to start!
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#956 » by Chitownbulls » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:38 pm

punkmodafunk wrote:I think the s&t we've been looking for is real, despite the rumours of NY not being interested in Boozer.

What if:

- The sign & trade for Melo involves Boozer + Mirotic. That leaves us with 1 PF: Taj Gibson.

- With the s&t done, we are able to use the MLE, which probably is what we are gonna offer Pau Gasol.


Bulls Lakers Knicks have something going on here. I bet Bulls meet with Gasol an Melo today.
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Post#957 » by whonka » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:39 pm

Got this from the knicks board, from LaLa's book. Thought was interesting the last part.

“I also knew that if I ever bought a house, it would probably be in L.A.,’’ she wrote. “It’s so different from New York and Atlanta. L.A. is like my chill place. I can be laid-back and relaxed there. I also could see myself eventually settling there, like my retirement spot.’’
The book also revealed some intimate details of the couple’s private life. Their son, Kiyan, when he was 2, had an emergency six-hour surgery on an ailing kidney. According to the book, Kiyan, now 6, occasionally gets bothered at school for the Knicks’ poor play.
La La wrote: “[Kiyan] came home one afternoon and asked me, ‘Mom why do they hate Dad? Some Kids at school said, Your dad sucks.’ ”
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#958 » by BahamaBull » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:39 pm

ingvald wrote:
inescape wrote:
Michael Scott wrote:
I'm horrible with cap. Say we amnesty Booz. Trade Dun and Snell, and all the unguaranteeds. How much do we have to offer him?


I don't know the exact number and I am way to burnt out but it's likely around $15 million and not enough.


Sorry if its been clarified, I haven't had time to get thru all 50 pages. Also, these numbers may not be accurate but got salaries from hoopshype-

-If the Bulls amnesty Boozer, they'll have $11.12 in cap space.
-S&T with just non-guaranteeds matches to $15.21
-S&T with Dunleavy and non-guaranteeds matches to $18.21
-S&T with Dunleavy and Butler and non-guaranteeds matches to $20.39

Bulls would still have MLE to offer Pau or Mirotic if over the cap in S&T scenario.


Is this accurate?
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#959 » by fleet » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:40 pm

http://nypost.com/2014/07/02/anthony-do ... y-of-tour/

Sweet home, Chicago?
Maybe not for Carmelo Anthony.
With the Melopalooza set to hit Los Angeles on Friday, the Bulls’ position appears to be weakening. According to an NBA source, the Bulls, during Tuesday’s meetings, floated the idea of Anthony making about $16 million per year across four seasons — a sum that is not going to move the needle away from Anthony’s pre-trip gut feeling to stick with the Knicks.


The Bulls are over the cap and can manage a starting salary of $17 million only if they amnesty Carlos Boozer and trade both Mike Dunleavy and Jimmy Butler. That would create a contract worth $72.6 million over four years.

Hence, it appears the only chance the Bulls and Anthony have at a marriage is if they can coax Jackson into a sign-and-trade, and the Knicks president has shown no inclination toward cooperating. That’s why the Knicks have remained so confident. In fact ESPN.com reports Jackson is opposed to a sign-and-trade deal centering around Boozer. The Chicago Tribune reported Bulls officials nevertheless feel they “connected’’ with Anthony.

Before the Anthony free-agency tour, The Post quoted a source connected to Anthony’s inner circle saying, “There’s reason to believe he’s staying.’’


plenty of NY attitude. I tire of reading it, but I wanted to ask...

This is not the only place where it has been written the Bulls tried to go the capspace route with Melo. I take this to mean, the Bulls did not even attempt a S&T scenario at this point. Phil must have written "No (Boozer) S&T" down in blood.

So I assume where we are at is that in order to get Phil to possibly budge on S&Ts, we will require Melo to say to the Knicks that he will go to the Bulls for their capspace offer no matter what. However, the gist that I am getting from reports like this is that Melo needs a bigger Bulls offer in order to consider that kind of hardball play, and will not cooperate?

So, to sum it up in terms of drawing conclusions:
-Melo won't play hardball to force a S&T with the Knicks because of the small size of the Bulls offer. He is not willing to play for that.
-Phil is not gonna move on the S&T situation. The Bulls seem to believe him.
-The Bulls have to trade Taj Gibson in order to get that basic capspace offer up to a point where Melo will play for it.
-However, both the Bulls and Melo don't even want to go there with Taj. Melo doesn't want to be here if he can't win (because Taj would not be here). And he also doesn't want to be here if he can't get paid more than what the Bulls have to offer with Taj still on the team.

Even though this has been said before in more glib fashion in other articles, it finally sinks in. Sounds to me, there is no way out of this? I don't want to say the patient is dead yet. However, if these are the basic tentpoles of the situation, the Bulls should be moving on.

(Indeed perhaps the Boozer amnesty is not being done with Melo in mind anymore)
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Re: Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play? 

Post#960 » by punkmodafunk » Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:40 pm

kuly1990 wrote:i doubt that Gasol signs for that money, he probably wants more, and wants to start!


I wasn't saying he was gonna take it, but it seems to be to be a realistic plan.

I don't know how much the Thunder can offer him (does anyone know?) but it's legit to give it a try, since he wants to win, he might wanna be able to take that kind of cut to play in a real contender again.

he can have 30M$/3years if he goes somewhere else, but is it really what he wants?
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