Just Sad, "Chicago sees deadliest Memorial Day weekend in four years"

[dice]

What did Bloomberg spend this year? And barely got a delegate.

not really relevant to what is required to run a campaign

Presidential campaigns run into the billions. So do some senate races.

no, no they don't. i already provided you the record expenditures

bloomberg spent about a billion of his own money, which was far and away the most that any individual has spent on their campaign. and it didn't end up being remotely worthwhile

billionaire ross perot spent $60 million on his presidential campaign. rick scott's senate campaign spent $85 million, $63 million of which was his. that was easily a record

[dice]

170k isnt remotely competitive? Apparently we live in two different worlds. My household has never made close to that even on our best single year and I havent felt the need to act in a corrupt fashion. The opportunity is certainly there, I've seen it and turned people in for being corrupt.

Should I rethink my approach to workplace ethics?

FWIW I wish we actually pursued corruption in govt agressively, we seem to have just accepted it.

Yes, 170k isn't remotely competitive with the best offers for the best people coming out of our best institutions, generally speaking. Those people are often making several hundreds of thousands of dollars per year in fields like medicine, data science, business, law etc.

EDIT: I'm not saying I wouldn't jump at the chance to be a congressman for 170k, but there's also no objective reason that society should think I'm among the best of the best.

Honestly, I dont think we need the best of the best, we need honest, thoughtful independent minded individuals, vs the current crop of partisan button pushers that do what the party leader dictates. Frankly what we need is actual independents, not D's and R's beholden to their party boss. American voters might not be ready for that but I sure as hell am.

the average american is easily swayed by marketing. and the political parties have that structure in place, along with the fundraising mechanisms. only a true moderate would have any incentive at all to run as an independent if she actually aimed to win

[dice]

false rumors of "antifa buses" being sent to terrorize white rural areas:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/9/1951844/--Antifa-buses-Panicked-armed-men-hit-small-town-streets-across-America-to-fend-off-imagined-hordes?detail=emaildkre

and apparently notorious white nationalist stephen miller is preparing a trump speech on race relations:

Read on Twitter

[Dresden]

not really relevant to what is required to run a campaign

Presidential campaigns run into the billions. So do some senate races.

no, no they don't. i already provided you the record expenditures

bloomberg spent about a billion of his own money, which was far and away the most that any individual has spent on their campaign. and it didn't end up being remotely worthwhile

billionaire ross perot spent $60 million on his presidential campaign. rick scott's senate campaign spent $85 million, $63 million of which was his. that was easily a record

Democrats spent 1.3 billion in 2008 on Obama's campaign, followed by 858 million in 2012, and 884 million in 2016. You want to bet they'll break a billion again this year?

[dice]

the tv show 'cops' has been cancelled after 33 seasons. meanwhile, in a spasm of political correctness, hbo has pulled 'gone with the wind' from its streaming service, pledging to bring it back at a later date with a discussion of its historical context

[bullsnewdynasty]

18 murders in 24 hours?

85 shot in one weekend?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime

Not sure what to say.

I agree. It's appalling and disgusting. The fact that this isn't getting more attention nationwide is a disgrace.

[Ccwatercraft]

18 murders in 24 hours?

85 shot in one weekend?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime

Not sure what to say.

I agree. It's appalling and disgusting. The fact that this isn't getting more attention nationwide is a disgrace.

Its embarrassing, and I'm a Chicago native, maybe I'll start telling people I'm from Plainfield.
This past couple weeks have only reinforced that the decision to leave long ago was the right one.

In the meantime, Seattle says "hold my beer"

[2018C3]

18 murders in 24 hours?

85 shot in one weekend?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime

Not sure what to say.

I agree. It's appalling and disgusting. The fact that this isn't getting more attention nationwide is a disgrace.

Its embarrassing, and I'm a Chicago native, maybe I'll start telling people I'm from Plainfield.
This past couple weeks have only reinforced that the decision to leave long ago was the right one.

In the meantime, Seattle says "hold my beer"

Not many murders in Plainfield.

https://www.areavibes.com/plainfield-il/crime/
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/plainfield/crime
https://www.homesnacks.net/il/plainfield-crime/

And Guns are legal there! I used to be in a hunt club, and I Knew teenagers from Plainfield who would go bird hunting early in the morning before school. I can guarantee once you venture out into the burbs, and further south of the city it still happens throughout hunting seasons to this day. You only have to be 18 and responsible to own a shotgun in Illinois.

[dice]

18 murders in 24 hours?

85 shot in one weekend?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime

Not sure what to say.

I agree. It's appalling and disgusting. The fact that this isn't getting more attention nationwide is a disgrace.

Its embarrassing, and I'm a Chicago native, maybe I'll start telling people I'm from Plainfield.

This past couple weeks have only reinforced that the decision to leave long ago was the right one.

unless you lived in one of the affected neighborhoods, neither of those statements makes a lick of sense

then again, i don't get the concept of pride or shame in one's city. chicago's murders and al capone have no more to do with me than oprah, MJ and obama's phenomenal success that originated here. and i wouldn't be ashamed to be an american overseas just because our president is an embarrassment. 'cause that has nothing to do with me either

[Dresden]

thomas satoransky is not being paid by the united states of america to play basketball.r

You don't say?

[Ccwatercraft]

I agree. It's appalling and disgusting. The fact that this isn't getting more attention nationwide is a disgrace.

Its embarrassing, and I'm a Chicago native, maybe I'll start telling people I'm from Plainfield.
This past couple weeks have only reinforced that the decision to leave long ago was the right one.

In the meantime, Seattle says "hold my beer"

Not many murders in Plainfield.

https://www.areavibes.com/plainfield-il/crime/
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/plainfield/crime
https://www.homesnacks.net/il/plainfield-crime/

And Guns are legal there! I used to be in a hunt club, and I Knew teenagers from Plainfield who would go bird hunting early in the morning before school. I can guarantee once you venture out into the burbs, and further south of the city it still happens throughout hunting seasons to this day. You only have to be 18 and responsible to own a shotgun in Illinois.

Exactly, it's a no brainer for me, I looked up my current city which is larger than plainfield, 12 murders total in last 6 years, we have more gun shops than murders.

[musiqsoulchild]

Its embarrassing, and I'm a Chicago native, maybe I'll start telling people I'm from Plainfield.
This past couple weeks have only reinforced that the decision to leave long ago was the right one.

In the meantime, Seattle says "hold my beer"

Not many murders in Plainfield.

https://www.areavibes.com/plainfield-il/crime/
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/plainfield/crime
https://www.homesnacks.net/il/plainfield-crime/

And Guns are legal there! I used to be in a hunt club, and I Knew teenagers from Plainfield who would go bird hunting early in the morning before school. I can guarantee once you venture out into the burbs, and further south of the city it still happens throughout hunting seasons to this day. You only have to be 18 and responsible to own a shotgun in Illinois.

Exactly, it's a no brainer for me, I looked up my current city which is larger than plainfield, 12 murders total in last 6 years, we have more gun shops than murders.

[Susan]

The problem is solely how people are funded TO become candidates and civil servants, not how they are funded once they become civil servants.

Not sure that is true. I'm not that active in politics, so I don't mean this in some definitive way, but it seems to me that politicians get tons of money in kickbacks based on what they do while in office as well.

League Circles said we're not getting enough good people because there's not enough monetary gain to be had from taking political positions. I can't think of a single mainstream politician that's open and honest about their "finical struggle" and even if this were a problem, it still wouldn't touch on what I'm talking about.

Currently immense amounts of capital are needed to reach those positions of power. When capital like that is needed, people become funded by the capital and become beholden TO that capital. That's where we're at right now, both sides of our government is entrenched with big business and neither side is fighting for their working class constituents.

[jc23]

the tv show 'cops' has been cancelled after 33 seasons. meanwhile, in a spasm of political correctness, hbo has pulled 'gone with the wind' from its streaming service, pledging to bring it back at a later date with a discussion of its historical context

At least they are bringing it back, Disney wiped my favorite Simpsons episode from their library for all time.

[dice]

the tv show 'cops' has been cancelled after 33 seasons. meanwhile, in a spasm of political correctness, hbo has pulled 'gone with the wind' from its streaming service, pledging to bring it back at a later date with a discussion of its historical context

At least they are bringing it back, Disney wiped my favorite Simpsons episode from their library for all time.

which one is that?

[dice]

Presidential campaigns run into the billions. So do some senate races.

no, no they don't. i already provided you the record expenditures

bloomberg spent about a billion of his own money, which was far and away the most that any individual has spent on their campaign. and it didn't end up being remotely worthwhile

billionaire ross perot spent $60 million on his presidential campaign. rick scott's senate campaign spent $85 million, $63 million of which was his. that was easily a record

Democrats spent 1.3 billion in 2008 on Obama's campaign, followed by 858 million in 2012, and 884 million in 2016. You want to bet they'll break a billion again this year?

you don't say

you're not only not paying attention to what i've said, but you seem to have rapidly lost track of the ridiculous statement you made that prompted this conversation. it's right there in bold

i told YOU that democrats spent a record 1.3 billion on obama's campaign. now you're repeating it back to me as if you're making some great point. nobody made any claim that the next presidential campaign wouldn't hit a billion dollars

you said that a candidate would have to spend as much as TEN billion dollars to avoid having to fundraise. even to become a senator! which is plainly false. as evidenced by the record 1.3 billion in spending on a presidential political campaign and only a tiny fraction of that on any senatorial campaign

presidential candidates don't do all of their own fundraising. their personal phone calls and fundraising dinners contribute only a fraction of what a campaign raises and spends. so no, a wealthy candidate would not even need to put up anywhere close to a billion dollars to avoid having to raise funds. so the personal hassle of raising funds is simply not a drawback to running for office for a multi-billionaire if he/she is willing to write a check for a small fraction of his/her wealth. the billion dollars that bloomberg spent is an exorbitant amount for any presidential campaign, let alone one that was a colossal failure

[jc23]

the tv show 'cops' has been cancelled after 33 seasons. meanwhile, in a spasm of political correctness, hbo has pulled 'gone with the wind' from its streaming service, pledging to bring it back at a later date with a discussion of its historical context

At least they are bringing it back, Disney wiped my favorite Simpsons episode from their library for all time.

which one is that?

The Michael Jackson one.

[dice]

At least they are bringing it back, Disney wiped my favorite Simpsons episode from their library for all time.

which one is that?

The Michael Jackson one.

yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. no different than refusing to play his music, frankly

[Dresden]

no, no they don't. i already provided you the record expenditures

bloomberg spent about a billion of his own money, which was far and away the most that any individual has spent on their campaign. and it didn't end up being remotely worthwhile

billionaire ross perot spent $60 million on his presidential campaign. rick scott's senate campaign spent $85 million, $63 million of which was his. that was easily a record

Democrats spent 1.3 billion in 2008 on Obama's campaign, followed by 858 million in 2012, and 884 million in 2016. You want to bet they'll break a billion again this year?

you don't say

you're not only not paying attention to what i've said, but you seem to have rapidly lost track of the ridiculous statement you made that prompted this conversation. it's right there in bold

i told YOU that democrats spent a record 1.3 billion on obama's campaign. now you're repeating it back to me as if you're making some great point. nobody made any claim that the next presidential campaign wouldn't hit a billion dollars

you said that a candidate would have to spend as much as TEN billion dollars to avoid having to fundraise. even to become a senator! which is plainly false. as evidenced by the record 1.3 billion in spending on a presidential political campaign and only a tiny fraction of that on any senatorial campaign

presidential candidates don't do all of their own fundraising. their personal phone calls and fundraising dinners contribute only a fraction of what a campaign raises and spends. so no, a wealthy candidate would not even need to put up anywhere close to a billion dollars to avoid having to raise funds. so the personal hassle of raising funds is simply not a drawback to running for office for a multi-billionaire if he/she is willing to write a check for a small fraction of his/her wealth. the billion dollars that bloomberg spent is an exorbitant amount for any presidential campaign, let alone one that was a colossal failure

You're ignoring my main point, though, which was to rebut your rebuttal to my argument that one of the reasons people don't run for president is because of all the hassles which come with it, fundraising being one of them. Your reply was that people who were really rich would not have to worry about that, and my point was that even then, the amount of money needed is more than just a drop in the bucket, even to a billionaire.

Which goes to my other point, which was that we need to not make it so difficult, time consuming, and resource intensive, that it deters some of the best possible candidates from running for office. If you're Bill Gates or someone like that, why would you subject yourself to all that?

[dice]

former coworker david pinney on the relationship between floyd and chauvin:

"they bumped heads...it has a lot to do with derek being extremely aggressive within the club with some of the patrons, which was an issue"