The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Man I am loving these new highlights. He looks so much more fluid as a player. Better handles, better release, finish with both hands, etc.

It’ll take him 2-3 years to build his game more, but I am really changing my mind. This plus his defense + athleticism.

Watch on YouTube

[Chi town]

Are you kidding me? Lol - this dude showed every offensive move in the book in those scrimmages. Dinwiddie knows what’s up- he passed and watched him score at will on Ingram. Finishes with either hand inside, cross-over/stepback/fadeaway, 1-hand floaters/baby-hook, cross-court passes.

Edwards’ pro day looked like amateur hour compared to this, and both were practice videos.

Wow. I’m beginning to think this was a masterful job at hiding-the-prospect. Fact that these videos are creeping out after draft day. He had the private work out with Chicago. Bulls went through the motions with LaMelo, Wiseman, Edwards and everybody else while not really reporting any serious interest.

I think people are trying to talk themselves into “give him time’” too. He’s going to get confidence and have some games where he takes over just like Coby did to close the year. PW can do it on both ends though.

Based on who we have on this team I don’t know how he’s not going to get big mins... because he will deserve it and it will help winning.

Billy D knows what’s up.

I am a big Deni fan but his workout videos didn’t show anything close to this In an open gym.

[Chi town]

Man I am loving these new highlights. He looks so much more fluid as a player. Better handles, better release, finish with both hands, etc.

It’ll take him 2-3 years to build his game more, but I am really changing my mind. This plus his defense + athleticism.

Watch on YouTube

I like that Big Guard trainer too. If PW is learning guard skills his development will be incredible.

[Dresden]

If only GarPax didn't throw Spencer away to keep the likes of Jerian Grant, Isiah Canaan and MCW, we could have them both.

I got dogged out about that situation. Boy I hated Garpax.

This is still my most favorite GarPax blunders, Bulls should do GarPax AMA and remind them of these 2 things:

1. GarPax, how do you feel about keeping Jerian, Cam Payne, MCW, Isaiah Canaan over Spencer Dinwiddie?

2. GarPax, please tell us about the genius move that is Doug McDermott for Gary Harris and Jusuf Nurkic?

All GM's have made similar blunders, some much worse. Paxson also drafted Jimmy Butler after 29 other teams passed on him.

[JohnnyTapwater]

This is what I'm expecting of Patrick Williams: Extremely efficient star role player along with our high powered shooters. A perfect compliment.

Luol Deng floor - Kawhi Leonard ceiling

These are some numbers I came up with based on some arbitrary formula that made sense to me.

Year 1 - 23.3 Min- 12.2 PPG- 6.2 REB- 2.6 Assist- 1.4 STL- .6 BLK- 47.9% FG- 36.0% 3PT- 79.7% FT
Year 2 - 24.0 Min- 14.6 PPG- 6.6 REB- 2.7 Assist- 1.4 STL- .7 BLK- 48.5% FG- 36.6% 3PT- 81.5% FT
Year 3 - 29.1 Min- 15.2 PPG- 6.9 REB- 3.1 Assist- 1.4 STL- .7 BLK- 49.8% FG- 37.1% 3PT- 83.2% FT
Year 4 - 31.2 Min- 17.5 PPG- 7.1 REB- 3.2 Assist- 1.6 STL- .8 BLK- 50.3% FG- 37.3% 3PT- 83.8% FT
Year 5 - 31.8 Min- 17.7 PPG- 7.3 REB- 4.3 Assist- 1.7 STL- .9 BLK- 51.9% FG- 41.4% 3PT- 85.1% FT

Would you be happy with this projection?

If you have:

(1) everyone agrees this is a bad draft
and
(2) Patrick Williams is a prospect in the 4-14 range

You cannot have a Deng Floor/Kawhi ceiling. That floor/ceiling is a unanimous #1 pick.

I don't think it's a bad draft. I think that opinion is relative to those that judge based on star availability. Nothings wrong with that.

I just think the draft was incredibly deep in regards to starters and roll players.

I think you can have a Deng floor - Kawhi ceiling and not be a unanimous #1 pick. That's because you always hear about his potential and his probability of improvement - So many speak so highly of his work ethic, so if you believe in that, those projections make sense.

But you'd waffle if the probability isn't high numerically.

I'm not sure a lot of teams even got to see him work out. I'm stuck wondering why Pat is STILL mum on who he worked out for. Maybe AK kept him tucked so no one else would see this floor and ceiling? I dunno.

[Southpaw]

My floor/ceiling is Anthony Bennett/Kawhi Leonard. Obviously there is a bunch of edited hype to make us feel good. Feeling good about scrimmages reminds me about how McDermott was lighting it up on team USA when he was on the practice squad. Making those shots in a real NBA game is much tougher. I have no doubt we'll be labeling him a bust to start the season. He'll be missing a ton of shots, turning it over a ton, fouling out. He'll be coming off the bench too. Welcome to the rookie season of Pat Williams. Honestly, if he has some flashes of strong play this year, I'd call it a win. Expecting more than that is foolish and unrealistic for a 19 year old.

His ultimate success will come from work ethic, which is a ton harder than it is leading up to the draft...you have the taste of the good life and it's hard to get out there when your a kid in a candy store. It's only the minority of guys that can do it...we just think more do because they are the ones we remember. I remember Tyrus' soul eating fire...shooting 800 3's a day...where's he now?

Agreed. To me, as long as he can hang around on D, I'm good. He can be brought along slowly since we have 2 vets in front of him on the rotation.

[Indomitable]

This is pathetic, you keep skirting the question. You keep throwing out these hypothetical scenarios while having zero information that these were ever a possibility, you weren't in the room, you don't know if they tried to trade up or down, from all indication nobody wanted to make a move in a weak draft.

WHO WOULD YOU HAVE TAKEN AT #4?? . I personally liked Hayes, but I can't say with any type of confidence that he will absolutely be a better NBA player than Williams. You don't get to choose the field and then claim you were a genius when one of over a dozen guys actually ends up panning out. Pick a guy and in 3-4 years we'll see if they end up being a better prospect than PWill.

Basically he has no real answer. He literally wants to say he is right.

I literally provided 5 alternative scenarios, and the fifth is a list of 5 guys I would have taken ahead of him, yet you describe it as “I have no answer”?

Is reading that difficult?

Your trades are pure make believe. The Warriors wanted the Center. Especially after Klays injury. None 9f your trades are realistic except the Piston situation maybe. The 5 guys who you champion. I will watch and we discuss it in the future.

[Indomitable]

I got dogged out about that situation. Boy I hated Garpax.

This is still my most favorite GarPax blunders, Bulls should do GarPax AMA and remind them of these 2 things:

1. GarPax, how do you feel about keeping Jerian, Cam Payne, MCW, Isaiah Canaan over Spencer Dinwiddie?

2. GarPax, please tell us about the genius move that is Doug McDermott for Gary Harris and Jusuf Nurkic?

All GM's have made similar blunders, some much worse. Paxson also drafted Jimmy Butler after 29 other teams passed on him.

They had him in camp and he clearly outperformed the others at his position. Thibs would never have kept those 4 over Spencer. Spencer looked far superior and outperformed them. I could provide the thread if you want it. It was obvious favoritism.
They deserved their firing.

Teams miss on drafts pick all the time but how do you keep 4 guys who are trash over Spencer. He easily outperform them. He was just about the same age. It was pure incompetence.

[rtblues]

Just wondering if the immediate and toxic reaction to AK is simply a habit/character-trait of Bulls fans, that being to bitch and moan at anything and everything this team does. I guess that years of GarPax will do that. But I just don't dig the negativity. Been following this team since the Dick Motta days, and been through the ups and downs over the decades, so it's just kind of funny how some thought AK should turn a 22 win team into a champion in one draft and one free agency. Jeez, maybe let the team play a game or 20?

[Indomitable]

Just wondering if the immediate and toxic reaction to AK is simply a habit/character-trait of Bulls fans, that being to bitch and moan at anything and everything this team does. I guess that years of GarPax will do that. But I just don't dig the negativity. Been following this team since the Dick Motta days, and been through the ups and downs over the decades, so it's just kind of funny how some thought AK should turn a 22 win team into a champion in one draft and one free agency. Jeez, maybe let the team play a game or 20?

only one poster is doing that really. There are some skeptics but that is to be expected.

[tedwilliams1999]

These new highlight clips from YouTube are definitely interesting... It's hard to take away much from pick up games but Williams certainly looks like a different player stylistically than what I saw at FSU.

[MGB8]

Corliss Williamson - floor; pre injury Larry Johnson ceiling.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Man I am loving these new highlights. He looks so much more fluid as a player. Better handles, better release, finish with both hands, etc.

It’ll take him 2-3 years to build his game more, but I am really changing my mind. This plus his defense + athleticism.

Watch on YouTube

I like that Big Guard trainer too. If PW is learning guard skills his development will be incredible.

Thought the same thing. He needs to get guard like skills

[RSP83]

Here's our freshman picks since 2004:
Deng
Tyrus
Rose
Teague
Markkanen
Wendell
PWill.

If I were to rank based on my initial level of excitement about these picks, that would be:
1. Rose (he's a surefire superstar, he dominated the NCAA tourney that year).
2. Markkanen (I didn't like this pick initially, but he had a big EuroBasket campaign soon after and won me over immediately).
3. Tyrus (his raw athleticism was enough to get many people excited, and he had a great tourney run).
4. Deng (he was the no. 2 HS Prospect behind Lebron. His 1-year at Duke showed me that he's a high floor limited ceiling guy, similar to how I felt about Wendell).
5. Wendell (he was kinda meh... Bagley was the higher prospect, and Wendell was seen as safe pick, high floor, limited ceiling guy. I was meh on him).
6. PWill (like most guys in our board, I don't have any clue why we pick him at 4. Far from a household name. Just a lot of question mark).
7. Teague (he was a very late 1st round pick, so I didn't care).

I'm liking PWill more and more by day, but he's such an unknown and this is such a weak draft class. So I'm also being cautious with my expectation with him. But he's the 4th pick so maybe I should expect a lot from him. But it's just hard being realistic with lofty expectation when his stats was very modest and didn't even start for his team.

But, if I pretend I do not know his 1 year at FSU, and only see his clips from this workouts being shared, my level of excitement for Pat Will easily surpass Tyrus at no. 4, right behind my excitement for Lauri. Because I think if those clips really shows what he's capable of, I'd easily rank him above Tyrus, Deng, and Wendell as a prospect.

Tyrus even since college everybody knows that he's a bit of a loose cannon, and relied solely on his raw athleticism, we gambled on whether his bball IQ will develop. Deng and Wendell are 2 typical safe mid to late lottery talent. PWill's raw talent level IMO is above Deng and Wendell, and he already have maturity and bball IQ that Tyrus never developed.

[waffle]

he's got something you see less of, just a nice easy jumper. Very old school

[TankForAyton]

Pat needs to be playing 25 mpg+ next season, no matter which vets are in front of him. I really hope he gets to learn on the court and not coddled with sparse minutes.

[CjayC]

This is still my most favorite GarPax blunders, Bulls should do GarPax AMA and remind them of these 2 things:

1. GarPax, how do you feel about keeping Jerian, Cam Payne, MCW, Isaiah Canaan over Spencer Dinwiddie?

2. GarPax, please tell us about the genius move that is Doug McDermott for Gary Harris and Jusuf Nurkic?

All GM's have made similar blunders, some much worse. Paxson also drafted Jimmy Butler after 29 other teams passed on him.

They had him in camp and he clearly outperformed them. Thibs would never have kept those 3 over Spencer. Spencer looked far superior and outperformed him. I could provide the thread if you want it.

They deserved their firing.

People miss idrafts but how do you keep 4 guys who are trash over Spencer. He easily outperfo4 them. He was just about the same age. It was pure incompetence.

Agreed. Dinwiddie was one of the easier #CalledIts in recent memory. Sooo many people were stuck on trying to make the trade work to justify Grant beating out Spencer. I can see the fans wanting to feel like they didn't get fleeced, but I'd want my GM to be able to admit they made a mistake and pick the better talent.

Of course all GMs make mistakes, but it was just more symptoms in a long line of problems for GarPax.

[Indomitable]

he's got something you see less of, just a nice easy jumper. Very old school

He is strong like jimmy is and rose. He keeps his balance thru contact on all his video. He has none of that Snell getting bumped off target on his shots. I am not saying he is any of theses players.

I just see the ability to play thru contact and I value it.

[RSP83]

This is still my most favorite GarPax blunders, Bulls should do GarPax AMA and remind them of these 2 things:

1. GarPax, how do you feel about keeping Jerian, Cam Payne, MCW, Isaiah Canaan over Spencer Dinwiddie?

2. GarPax, please tell us about the genius move that is Doug McDermott for Gary Harris and Jusuf Nurkic?

All GM's have made similar blunders, some much worse. Paxson also drafted Jimmy Butler after 29 other teams passed on him.

They had him in camp and he clearly outperformed the others at his position. Thibs would never have kept those 4 over Spencer. Spencer looked far superior and outperformed them. I could provide the thread if you want it. It was obvious favoritism.
They deserved their firing.

Teams miss on drafts pick all the time but how do you keep 4 guys who are trash over Spencer. He easily outperform them. He was just about the same age. It was pure incompetence.

I remember the season before Dinwiddie was traded to the Bulls, he killed us 1 game when we played the Pistons. He was sort of gaining reputation as a rising G-Leaguer. And during that SL before he was waived, he looked good. But FO was clearly favoring Jerian and Cam Payne because they traded Rose, Gibson, and McDermott for both. MCW was kept only because of his resume, but he was already a shell of his ROY version.

[Indomitable]

All GM's have made similar blunders, some much worse. Paxson also drafted Jimmy Butler after 29 other teams passed on him.

They had him in camp and he clearly outperformed the others at his position. Thibs would never have kept those 4 over Spencer. Spencer looked far superior and outperformed them. I could provide the thread if you want it. It was obvious favoritism.
They deserved their firing.

Teams miss on drafts pick all the time but how do you keep 4 guys who are trash over Spencer. He easily outperform them. He was just about the same age. It was pure incompetence.

I remember the season before Dinwiddie was traded to the Bulls, he killed us 1 game when we played the Pistons. He was sort of gaining reputation as a rising G-Leaguer. And during that SL before he was waived, he looked good. But FO was clearly favoring Jerian and Cam Payne because they traded Rose, Gibson, and McDermott for both. MCW was kept only because of his resume, but he was already a shell of his ROY version.

Which was stupid. People value production and results. At least I do.