Lonzo Ball Thread (UPDATE: Bulls Offer Sato + 2nd Round picks)

[sco]

Here's a funny thought--if you make Sato officially available, I bet you get calls from every single playoff bound team in the league.

What rumors do we have so far for Lonzo?

* Bol Bol--last guy off the bench for the Nuggets; is not ready to play and will not play on NO
* Sixers--won't give up Thybulle for him, a guy who while a good defender, hasn't broken 5 ppg yet; if Lonzo doesn't even net you a super-raw, defense first modern-day version of Ronnie Brewer, they're probably offering straight-up trash
* The Hawks offered Cam Reddish--one of the worst busts of the last decade (he's like bad Coby, but full-time)
* The Knicks beat writers quoted NY execs saying they're giving up neither draft assets nor major rotational pieces because they're playing well and don't want to disrupt chemistry
* We've offered Sato and 2nds.

So, in the "bidding war", we're the only ones offering anything that's NOT utter trash.

Bingo.

This is why sending Lauri to NO would make the Bulls the laughing stock of the league.

I'm not saying we should trade Lauri for Ball, per se, but I would say that if I was AK and I didn't want to pay Lauri the money he wants...let's say that's $20M - he's walking for nothing. Same deal would be true for NO's GM and Ball. There is a certain logic that trading 2 guys that fill holes for respective teams who are going to cost about the same and have about the same upside. Now, is there another deal for Lauri that brings back more that I'm foregoing, then I might look at other ways to get Ball.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Ball has been significantly better than Lauri, Bulls will likely have to add to the deal, something Zach Lowe mentioned

[Michael Jackson]

Here's a funny thought--if you make Sato officially available, I bet you get calls from every single playoff bound team in the league.

What rumors do we have so far for Lonzo?

* Bol Bol--last guy off the bench for the Nuggets; is not ready to play and will not play on NO
* Sixers--won't give up Thybulle for him, a guy who while a good defender, hasn't broken 5 ppg yet; if Lonzo doesn't even net you a super-raw, defense first modern-day version of Ronnie Brewer, they're probably offering straight-up trash
* The Hawks offered Cam Reddish--one of the worst busts of the last decade (he's like bad Coby, but full-time)
* The Knicks beat writers quoted NY execs saying they're giving up neither draft assets nor major rotational pieces because they're playing well and don't want to disrupt chemistry
* We've offered Sato and 2nds.

So, in the "bidding war", we're the only ones offering anything that's NOT utter trash.

Good post

Side note, Cam plays D fairly well. Not amazing... if some how you could mesh Coby and Cam into a single player that player (named Reddish White or pink for short) would be a decent NBA player.

[TheFinishSniper]

Ball has been significantly better than Lauri, Bulls will likely have to add to the deal, something Zach Lowe mentioned

Problem isnt who is better. Problem is contract. If you cant get that than I dont know what to say. It's never player for player deal. Contracts are issue, Ball getting paid is issue. That's why he is available for trade. Pels dont want to pay him, Bulls want him and they will go after him in FA regardless does deal Sato + 2 round picks dont get it done. They will never get Lauri for him. Regardless what shi**y Lowe says or you or anyone on this board... Get that idea out of your head

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Some notes to get excited about:

Lonzo Ball stats

Ranks 4th in the league among point guards in RPM (higher than any player on the Bulls roster)
Has an BPM of 1.2 (Ranks 3rd on the Bulls behind Zach and Thad)
Has a VORP of 1.0 (Ranks 3rd on the Bulls behind Zach and Thad).

Basically, the Bulls would be getting a pretty significant upgrade in terms of actually helping the team win.

[weneeda2guard]

Ball has been significantly better than Lauri, Bulls will likely have to add to the deal, something Zach Lowe mentioned

I dont think the reporters are seriously considering ball impending rfa. The Bulls don't need to bid against themselves. Ball wants to come here. We can just hand him the offer sheet this off season where I doubt the pelicans will match. Sato is a nice asset and a 2nd is cool too where the pelicans can get something for him rather than he move for nothing.

I think lauri needs to be a piece sent to either San Antonio for derozan or pacers for brogdon.

[HomoSapien]

What's the latest? Any juicy gossip? Let me have it fellas.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Ball has been significantly better than Lauri, Bulls will likely have to add to the deal, something Zach Lowe mentioned

Problem isnt who is better. Problem is contract. If you cant get that than I dont know what to say. It's never player for player deal. Contracts are issue, Ball getting paid is issue. That's why he is available for trade. Pels dont want to pay him, Bulls want him and they will go after him in FA regardless does deal Sato + 2 round picks dont get it done. They will never get Lauri for him. Regardless what shi**y Lowe says or you or anyone on this board... Get that idea out of your head

Pelicans have 3 point guards on their roster is their problem, and they're trying to balance some of that out. And it sounds like Lonzo's camp wants out too.

Lonzo is an RFA. The market will dictate what his value is, not the Bulls. That shouldn't scare you.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

What's the latest? Any juicy gossip? Let me have it fellas.

Talking heads are still pointing to the Bulls as the team that is most likely to acquire him. Woj and Lowe agree, they like the move. Lauri for Ball has been brought up.

[NecessaryEvil]

Some notes to get excited about:

Lonzo Ball stats

Ranks 4th in the league among point guards in RPM (higher than any player on the Bulls roster)
Has an BPM of 1.2 (Ranks 3rd on the Bulls behind Zach and Thad)
Has a VORP of 1.0 (Ranks 3rd on the Bulls behind Zach and Thad).

Basically, the Bulls are getting a pretty significant upgrade in terms of actually helping the team win.

I like Zach, Zo, Thad & Pat Williams going forward.

Hopefully we re-sign Thad in the offseason for 2-3 yrs

[HomoSapien]

What's the latest? Any juicy gossip? Let me have it fellas.

Talking heads are still pointing to the Bulls as the team that is most likely to acquire him. Woj and Lowe agree, they like the move. Lauri for Ball has been brought up.

I would do that, but ideally, I'd like to keep him out of it so we can finally see how he plays with a true floor general.

[chefo]

Ball has been significantly better than Lauri, Bulls will likely have to add to the deal, something Zach Lowe mentioned

I dont think the reporters are seriously considering ball impending rfa. The Bulls don't need to bid against themselves. Ball wants to come here. We can just hand him the offer sheet this off season where I doubt the pelicans will match. Sato is a nice asset and a 2nd is cool too where the pelicans can get something for him rather than he move for nothing.

I think lauri needs to be a piece sent to either San Antonio for derozan or pacers for brogdon.

Exactly. You pay only as little as you can get away with.

Other teams have offered NBA sewage-equivalent for Ball, which tells you how highly they think of the guy. Ball has leaked he wants Chicago. The Bulls have leaked they want Ball. It's a unique situation for sure. I can bet you these talks were prior to Sato becoming a very serviceable starter.

There's absolutely no reason to lose a good player (Sato), let alone a young good player like Lauri for a guy that will likely be a Bull in 4 months anyways, if the interest is real.

Again, the competition as far as a trade goes, as of right now, is utter trash. No need to bid against themselves.

Besides, these leaks are actually making NO look weak, despite the obvious attempt to get a bidding war going. Any FO would look and say --that's what I have to beat? Here's my trash, I think it's slightly better than Atlanta's. We've given them the best offer so far, and judging by what the others have offered, Sato and 2nds is actually overpaying as-is.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

What's the latest? Any juicy gossip? Let me have it fellas.

Talking heads are still pointing to the Bulls as the team that is most likely to acquire him. Woj and Lowe agree, they like the move. Lauri for Ball has been brought up.

I would do that, but ideally, I'd like to keep him out of it so we can finally see how he plays with a true floor general.

I think it's been pretty clear that the Bulls have no long term plans for Lauri, from the leaks about the 2 sides not being close last offseason, to his recent benching, combined with the fact he can't stay on the court and takes long to get back from injury.

So trading a guy that was going to leave anyways in order to get a higher quality player at a position of need? It's a no brainer to me. Lauri isn't the starting power forward on serious contenders.

[Duffman100]

If you guys get Ball next to Lavine, I'm full on a Bulls fan.

[Pax for Prez]

Ball has been significantly better than Lauri, Bulls will likely have to add to the deal, something Zach Lowe mentioned

I dont think the reporters are seriously considering ball impending rfa. The Bulls don't need to bid against themselves. Ball wants to come here. We can just hand him the offer sheet this off season where I doubt the pelicans will match. Sato is a nice asset and a 2nd is cool too where the pelicans can get something for him rather than he move for nothing.

I think lauri needs to be a piece sent to either San Antonio for derozan or pacers for brogdon.

Exactly. You pay only as little as you can get away with.

Other teams have offered NBA sewage-equivalent for Ball, which tells you how highly they think of the guy. Ball has leaked he wants Chicago. The Bulls have leaked they want Ball. It's a unique situation for sure. I can bet you these talks were prior to Sato becoming a very serviceable starter.

There's absolutely no reason to lose a good player (Sato), let alone a young good player like Lauri for a guy that will likely be a Bull in 4 months anyways, if the interest is real.

Again, the competition as far as a trade goes, as of right now, is utter trash. No need to bid against themselves.

Besides, these leaks are actually making NO look weak, despite the obvious attempt to get a bidding war going. Any FO would look and say --that's what I have to beat? Here's my trash, I think it's slightly better than Atlanta's. We've given them the best offer so far, and judging by what the others have offered, Sato and 2nds is actually overpaying as-is.

Hopefully Gar Forman pushes NO to trade for Lauri !!

[Chicago-Bull-E]

If you guys get Ball next to Lavine, I'm full on a Bulls fan.

Everyone outside of this forum loves the move.

[TheFinishSniper]

Ball has been significantly better than Lauri, Bulls will likely have to add to the deal, something Zach Lowe mentioned

Problem isnt who is better. Problem is contract. If you cant get that than I dont know what to say. It's never player for player deal. Contracts are issue, Ball getting paid is issue. That's why he is available for trade. Pels dont want to pay him, Bulls want him and they will go after him in FA regardless does deal Sato + 2 round picks dont get it done. They will never get Lauri for him. Regardless what shi**y Lowe says or you or anyone on this board... Get that idea out of your head

Pelicans have 3 point guards on their roster is their problem, and they're trying to balance some of that out. And it sounds like Lonzo's camp wants out too.

Lonzo is an RFA. The market will dictate what his value is, not the Bulls. That shouldn't scare you.

Doesnt scare me. Scares me is our fellow board members ideas with idiot reporter that we should movie pieces like Lauri to aquire Ball when we can aquire him most likely in FA. I have no issue moving Lauri for right piece, but Ball isnt that move. That's losing your bishops for knight or worse... pawns.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Problem isnt who is better. Problem is contract. If you cant get that than I dont know what to say. It's never player for player deal. Contracts are issue, Ball getting paid is issue. That's why he is available for trade. Pels dont want to pay him, Bulls want him and they will go after him in FA regardless does deal Sato + 2 round picks dont get it done. They will never get Lauri for him. Regardless what shi**y Lowe says or you or anyone on this board... Get that idea out of your head

Pelicans have 3 point guards on their roster is their problem, and they're trying to balance some of that out. And it sounds like Lonzo's camp wants out too.

Lonzo is an RFA. The market will dictate what his value is, not the Bulls. That shouldn't scare you.

Doesnt scare me. Scares me is our fellow board members ideas with idiot reporter that we should movie pieces like Lauri to aquire Ball when we can aquire him most likely in FA. I have no issue moving Lauri for right piece, but Ball isnt that move. That's losing your bishops for knight or worse... pawns.

I'm confused, at first your issue was contracts, now you're calling Ball a pawn? So its the on court play? You don't think Lauri has been better than Ball, do you?

Lots of rumors 24 hours before the deadline, like every year. Don't scare so easily, you sound wound up. Take a breather from the computer.

[FriedRise]

If you guys get Ball next to Lavine, I'm full on a Bulls fan.

Everyone outside of this forum loves the move.

I think only the diehard Lauri fans are vehemently against this move.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

If you guys get Ball next to Lavine, I'm full on a Bulls fan.

Everyone outside of this forum loves the move.

I think only the diehard Lauri fans are vehemently against this move.

Seems like it, I have to remember that instead of trying to argue. They'll all be gone, either in a day or a couple of months.