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2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

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If Bulls keep the pick, who should they select?

Jalen Williams
7
11%
Tari Eason
18
29%
Nikola Jovic
4
6%
Mark Williams
18
29%
Ochai Agbaji
1
2%
TyTy Washington
0
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Ousmane Dieng
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No votes
Malaki Branham
2
3%
EJ Liddell
8
13%
Jeremy Sochan
4
6%
 
Total votes: 62

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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#941 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:41 pm

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jump wrote:To interject after reading all this, the point is that is if Eason is doing poorly in interviews, it’s more to do with his attitude or BBIQ than with his verbal skills. That says red flag to me. Skills only take you so far. BB smarts and attitude are even more important.


? Sounds like speculation and hearsay. It's already extremely odd that this stuff leaks out about Eason, but NOT anyone else.

What is Tari exactly saying in interviews?
How is he viewed "poorly?"
Is he just doing staring contests with the interviewer instead of answering?
Is he purposely crossing his eyes to mess with people?
Is he tapping his fingers in morse code instead actually saying words? This is super impressive by the way.
Is he just insulting people?
Is he giving wrestling style promos indicating a heel turn?
Is he surfing through Instagram and Tik Tok on his phone while ignoring the interviewer?

See? We don't know. These guys leaking this stuff COULD be lying. And no one is going to confirm anything. Was this done to sabotage his value?



I couldn’t tell you what is or isn’t happening in these interviews, but the BBIQ critique has been there all season. It isn’t just subterfuge. There are real concerns about his feel.

As for attitude, I have heard that he works incredibly hard, for what it’s worth.
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Post#942 » by Chi town » Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:53 pm

I’d take a player like Eason that plays with a relentless motor every night and often times has his bull in a China shop moments every game then a High IQ player that doesn’t make an impact.

Marcus Smart early in his career was a lot like this. Turnovers, fouls, and forcing it often. He couldn’t shoot great either. He slowly learned how to play and that motor plays all season and especially in the playoffs.

I’ve been high on Eason for months and he’s been my no 1 player for us. Him and PW could be elite together as they grow. DDR would be great for him.
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Post#943 » by Brothaman33 » Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:04 pm

Chi town wrote:I’d take a player like Eason that plays with a relentless motor every night and often times has his bull in a China shop moments every game then a High IQ player that doesn’t make an impact.

Marcus Smart early in his career was a lot like this. Turnovers, fouls, and forcing it often. He couldn’t shoot great either. He slowly learned how to play and that motor plays all season and especially in the playoffs.

I’ve been high on Eason for months and he’s been my no 1 player for us. Him and PW could be elite together as they grow. DDR would be great for him.


Eason is plays like the opposite of Patrick Williams.

"The hell with you guys, I'm gonna f****** shoot this step back 3"
3 on 1 fast break?
"You fools aint getting this pass, I'm gonna try to baptize their small forward"

Eason doesnt give an f*** about your concerns about "IQ" or "Interviews... and it may be his downfall. But it may be refreshing to watch someone play with their hair on fire for a bit.
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Post#944 » by Dresden » Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:18 pm

I like a lot of things about Jalen Williams, but he does remind me a. bit of Denzel Valentine- not the most athletic guy, a bit slow. There are questions about his ability on the D end. We already have Demar and Vuc who are not athletic, I'm a little worried about adding another. Plus he didn't play against the best competition in college- will his game translate?

If he can shoot, he'll still be a decent pick up, because you always need shootes. But we thought Denzel could shoot too....
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Post#945 » by Dresden » Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:21 pm

Little Nathan wrote:Walker Kessler is not a first round talent for me. He’s not seeing the floor in high leverage situations with that skillset, so what’s the point.


Not sure why he wouldn't see the floor in crunch time as a rim protector. That's just as crucial in the last few minutes of a game as it is at any other time. He will have to improve FT, but his shot doesn't look that bad. And he can pass the ball a bit. I see him as a better version of Omer Asik.
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Post#946 » by Andi Obst » Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:48 pm

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Little Nathan wrote:Walker Kessler is not a first round talent for me. He’s not seeing the floor in high leverage situations with that skillset, so what’s the point.


Not sure why he wouldn't see the floor in crunch time as a rim protector. That's just as crucial in the last few minutes of a game as it is at any other time. He will have to improve FT, but his shot doesn't look that bad. And he can pass the ball a bit. I see him as a better version of Omer Asik.


A slower big with no versatility on defense is super easy to scheme against. That’s why you don’t see them play meaningful minutes for contenders.
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Post#947 » by Jvaughn » Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:56 pm

Rose2Boozer wrote:The Bulls need someone off the bench who can create his own shot in the halfcourt. My new favorite prospect, Jalen Williams.



Gotta admit, I haven't watched any of Jalen Williams, but the tape looks very promising. Great size, and a very advanced skillset offensively. Gonna need to see more of him.
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Post#948 » by Chi town » Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:56 pm

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Chi town wrote:I’d take a player like Eason that plays with a relentless motor every night and often times has his bull in a China shop moments every game then a High IQ player that doesn’t make an impact.

Marcus Smart early in his career was a lot like this. Turnovers, fouls, and forcing it often. He couldn’t shoot great either. He slowly learned how to play and that motor plays all season and especially in the playoffs.

I’ve been high on Eason for months and he’s been my no 1 player for us. Him and PW could be elite together as they grow. DDR would be great for him.


Eason is plays like the opposite of Patrick Williams.

"The hell with you guys, I'm gonna f****** shoot this step back 3"
3 on 1 fast break?
"You fools aint getting this pass, I'm gonna try to baptize their small forward"

Eason doesnt give an f*** about your concerns about "IQ" or "Interviews... and it may be his downfall. But it may be refreshing to watch someone play with their hair on fire for a bit.


Uh. Not really.

I’ve never seen Tari take a dumb step back 3.
He has forced a fastbreak as a I mentioned above.
I appreciate he tries to bury people and dunk on them.

PW is tame for now but he has shown flashes of what he can do.


I think the interview stuff is way overblown.

My biggest concern is the comment about plays and him not knowing them. Not a problem for the Bulls though because BillyD doesn’t run any. Most of the NBA is just PnR anyway.

Tari will flourish in the fast and secondary breaks offensively and be a lockdown playmaker on d in the halfcourt.
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Post#949 » by Dresden » Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:10 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:Walker Kessler is not a first round talent for me. He’s not seeing the floor in high leverage situations with that skillset, so what’s the point.


Not sure why he wouldn't see the floor in crunch time as a rim protector. That's just as crucial in the last few minutes of a game as it is at any other time. He will have to improve FT, but his shot doesn't look that bad. And he can pass the ball a bit. I see him as a better version of Omer Asik.


A slower big with no versatility on defense is super easy to scheme against. That’s why you don’t see them play meaningful minutes for contenders.


Gobert and Embiid aren't any quicker than Kessler. And even if you don't play him all game, having a shot blocker like that in the paint is pretty damn useful.
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Post#950 » by Jvaughn » Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:28 pm

Dresden wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Not sure why he wouldn't see the floor in crunch time as a rim protector. That's just as crucial in the last few minutes of a game as it is at any other time. He will have to improve FT, but his shot doesn't look that bad. And he can pass the ball a bit. I see him as a better version of Omer Asik.


A slower big with no versatility on defense is super easy to scheme against. That’s why you don’t see them play meaningful minutes for contenders.


Gobert and Embiid aren't any quicker than Kessler. And even if you don't play him all game, having a shot blocker like that in the paint is pretty damn useful.


Embiid is a generational talent who you can run offense through. You can run your defense through him. He also shoots over 80% from the line. Gobert while not a good offensive player is at least near 70% from the line, so you can't play hack a shaq on him. And both of them are more athletic than Kessler. He is going to be a real liability on the court.
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Post#951 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:32 pm

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Rose2Boozer wrote:The Bulls need someone off the bench who can create his own shot in the halfcourt. My new favorite prospect, Jalen Williams.



Gotta admit, I haven't watched any of Jalen Williams, but the tape looks very promising. Great size, and a very advanced skillset offensively. Gonna need to see more of him.


I didn't watch the video, but you're saying his ceiling is more like KAT where he's not elite in athleticism or defense but very skilled offensively?
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Post#952 » by Jvaughn » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:01 pm

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Jvaughn wrote:
Rose2Boozer wrote:The Bulls need someone off the bench who can create his own shot in the halfcourt. My new favorite prospect, Jalen Williams.



Gotta admit, I haven't watched any of Jalen Williams, but the tape looks very promising. Great size, and a very advanced skillset offensively. Gonna need to see more of him.


I didn't watch the video, but you're saying his ceiling is more like KAT where he's not elite in athleticism or defense but very skilled offensively?


Jalen Williams, not Jaylin Williams. This one is the wing. Someone brought up John Salmons before, and I can see that. I see a lot of Iso Joe as well. Really right handle, good shake and advanced dribbling skillset.
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Post#953 » by sco » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:07 pm

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Jvaughn wrote:
Gotta admit, I haven't watched any of Jalen Williams, but the tape looks very promising. Great size, and a very advanced skillset offensively. Gonna need to see more of him.


I didn't watch the video, but you're saying his ceiling is more like KAT where he's not elite in athleticism or defense but very skilled offensively?


Jalen Williams, not Jaylin Williams. This one is the wing. Someone brought up John Salmons before, and I can see that. I see a lot of Iso Joe as well. Really right handle, good shake and advanced dribbling skillset.

He looked a little slow. I thought it was because he was like 6'9, but dude isn't even 6'6. He's got handles, but no elusiveness. I'd pass.
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Post#954 » by Jvaughn » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:21 pm

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Jvaughn wrote:
mlitney01 wrote:
I didn't watch the video, but you're saying his ceiling is more like KAT where he's not elite in athleticism or defense but very skilled offensively?


Jalen Williams, not Jaylin Williams. This one is the wing. Someone brought up John Salmons before, and I can see that. I see a lot of Iso Joe as well. Really right handle, good shake and advanced dribbling skillset.

He looked a little slow. I thought it was because he was like 6'9, but dude isn't even 6'6. He's got handles, but no elusiveness. I'd pass.


It's weird. He's definitely not quick, but based on his combine testing he's straight line fast and has a really good vertical. Not sure if it's something that can be fixed, but he definitely scores with ease at the college level whenever he wanted.
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Post#955 » by Andi Obst » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:24 pm

Dresden wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
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Not sure why he wouldn't see the floor in crunch time as a rim protector. That's just as crucial in the last few minutes of a game as it is at any other time. He will have to improve FT, but his shot doesn't look that bad. And he can pass the ball a bit. I see him as a better version of Omer Asik.


A slower big with no versatility on defense is super easy to scheme against. That’s why you don’t see them play meaningful minutes for contenders.


Gobert and Embiid aren't any quicker than Kessler. And even if you don't play him all game, having a shot blocker like that in the paint is pretty damn useful.


I don’t even know how to respond to that first sentence. Like…what? Embiid moves like a guard compared to Kessler.

Not saying Kessler can’t be a fine backup big in the regular season. I just don’t want to use firsts on that.
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Post#956 » by Jvaughn » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:39 pm

sco wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
mlitney01 wrote:
I didn't watch the video, but you're saying his ceiling is more like KAT where he's not elite in athleticism or defense but very skilled offensively?


Jalen Williams, not Jaylin Williams. This one is the wing. Someone brought up John Salmons before, and I can see that. I see a lot of Iso Joe as well. Really right handle, good shake and advanced dribbling skillset.

He looked a little slow. I thought it was because he was like 6'9, but dude isn't even 6'6. He's got handles, but no elusiveness. I'd pass.


FWIW I tried to look up comparable combine numbers, and Williams compares very favorable to Jimmy Butlers numbers. We all know Jimmy was the exception and not the rule though.
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Post#957 » by Dresden » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:00 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
A slower big with no versatility on defense is super easy to scheme against. That’s why you don’t see them play meaningful minutes for contenders.


Gobert and Embiid aren't any quicker than Kessler. And even if you don't play him all game, having a shot blocker like that in the paint is pretty damn useful.


I don’t even know how to respond to that first sentence. Like…what? Embiid moves like a guard compared to Kessler.

Not saying Kessler can’t be a fine backup big in the regular season. I just don’t want to use firsts on that.


Disagree about Emiid being that much more fluid than Kessler. Kessler is a lot younger, has less injuries, and from what I see on tape, he's more mobile than Embiid is.
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Post#958 » by Andi Obst » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:04 pm

Dresden wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Gobert and Embiid aren't any quicker than Kessler. And even if you don't play him all game, having a shot blocker like that in the paint is pretty damn useful.


I don’t even know how to respond to that first sentence. Like…what? Embiid moves like a guard compared to Kessler.

Not saying Kessler can’t be a fine backup big in the regular season. I just don’t want to use firsts on that.


Disagree about Emiid being that much more fluid than Kessler. Kessler is a lot younger, has less injuries, and from what I see on tape, he's more mobile than Embiid is.


And I think that’s an insane take, but we can agree to disagree.
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Post#959 » by Dresden » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:39 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
I don’t even know how to respond to that first sentence. Like…what? Embiid moves like a guard compared to Kessler.

Not saying Kessler can’t be a fine backup big in the regular season. I just don’t want to use firsts on that.


Disagree about Emiid being that much more fluid than Kessler. Kessler is a lot younger, has less injuries, and from what I see on tape, he's more mobile than Embiid is.


And I think that’s an insane take, but we can agree to disagree.


A couple of blurbs on him:

Draftnet: Moves well, is not a statue in the paint, and has shown an ability to step out and defend in pick and roll situations while still being able to recover to his man …

SB Nation: He also showed flashes defending the perimeter and was very impressive playing drop coverage in the pick and roll. With solid mobility for his size, he showed some ability to switch onto smaller players and overwhelm them with length and size. Just when the opposition thought they’d have him beat off the dribble or created enough space to get off a jump shot, Kessler would recover so quickly that he would either alter or block their shot. The success he had at times defending the perimeter may not translate to the next level, but his effectiveness in drop pick and roll coverage likely will.


Just from watching tape on both players, if I had to bet who could win a race down the court, I'd put my money on Kessler.

Also, Gobert is a 63.8% FT shooter for his career. Kessler would not have to improve that much to equal that at the pro level.

And just to be clear, I"m not advocating that we take Kessler. Just saying if it came to that, he could be a big help for our D.
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Post#960 » by sco » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:51 pm

Dresden wrote:
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Dresden wrote:
Disagree about Emiid being that much more fluid than Kessler. Kessler is a lot younger, has less injuries, and from what I see on tape, he's more mobile than Embiid is.


And I think that’s an insane take, but we can agree to disagree.


A couple of blurbs on him:

Draftnet: Moves well, is not a statue in the paint, and has shown an ability to step out and defend in pick and roll situations while still being able to recover to his man …

SB Nation: He also showed flashes defending the perimeter and was very impressive playing drop coverage in the pick and roll. With solid mobility for his size, he showed some ability to switch onto smaller players and overwhelm them with length and size. Just when the opposition thought they’d have him beat off the dribble or created enough space to get off a jump shot, Kessler would recover so quickly that he would either alter or block their shot. The success he had at times defending the perimeter may not translate to the next level, but his effectiveness in drop pick and roll coverage likely will.


Just from watching tape on both players, if I had to bet who could win a race down the court, I'd put my money on Kessler.

Also, Gobert is a 63.8% FT shooter for his career. Kessler would not have to improve that much to equal that at the pro level.

And just to be clear, I"m not advocating that we take Kessler. Just saying if it came to that, he could be a big help for our D.

Not sure I get why the comparison is made with Embiid's speed. Embiid is about coordination and elite offensive skills on the block and perimeter.

Kessler strikes me as a Bradley-type.
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