Just Sad, "Chicago sees deadliest Memorial Day weekend in four years"

[2018C3]

Chauvin is a ass, and in the last few weeks I have seen nobody on either side of the political game defend this murder.

[logical_art]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/andrew-sullivan-is-there-still-room-for-debate.html

[jc23]

The group that cod probably shed the most light on these issues are former/current black officers who grew up in high crime neighborhoods. Thats a group that could speak to both sides of the fence.

I recently listened to the joe rogan podcast and he had former bodybuilder Ronnie Coleman who was also a police officer. Ronnie seems like the nicest guy on the planet but some of his comments made it apparent on how stressful being a cop is and how easily a nice guy like him can become more aggressive because of the nature of the job.

[dice]

The group that cod probably shed the most light on these issues are former/current black officers who grew up in high crime neighborhoods. Thats a group that could speak to both sides of the fence.

I recently listened to the joe rogan podcast and he had former bodybuilder Ronnie Coleman who was also a police officer. Ronnie seems like the nicest guy on the planet but some of his comments made it apparent on how stressful being a cop is and how easily a nice guy like him can become more aggressive because of the nature of the job.

we also have to look at why people choose to become cops to begin with. close to half do not have academic interests after high school. but many of those i would imagine want to feel like they're doing something important with their lives, so they join the force with the romantic notion of keeping the streets clean and wearing a badge (just like many join the military because they like the idea of serving their nation by fighting its enemies). but when confronted with the realities of the job those romantic notions go right out the window. maybe the typical day contains more drudgery than imagined, such as paperwork and boring assignments. then there's the realization that not every difficult situation out on the streets has a cut and dried method of dealing with. and there are a lot of people that don't show the appropriate respect/appreciation. and the inconsistent schedule messes with personal lives. it all adds up to simmering frustration that boils over in some cases

[dice]

unarmed atlanta man shot dead running from police after escaping arrest in wendy's parking lot, rioters burn down the restaurant:

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-atlanta-officer-who-killed-rayshard-brooks-identified/hBd198BmRV9Rgt7uSjvoZP/

is there a public safety reason why they didn't just let this guy run off? they had his car, they had his identity and the intoxication results...

[Ccwatercraft]

Why didnt they hand him a $20 as well, he was obviously hungry.

[2018C3]

Earlier today, I just witnessed first hand my first protest. I drove out to the local bass pro, and on my way out traffic was slowed.

I will admit that street traffic was not stopped by the protesters themselves, but by the other cars driving past. Several of them stopped mid street, and started beeping the horns in support.

About 80% of the protesters (Who were standing on the side of street, and not blocking traffic looked to be younger than college age, with older adults leading the chants.

[jc23]

unarmed atlanta man shot dead running from police after escaping arrest in wendy's parking lot, rioters burn down the restaurant:

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-atlanta-officer-who-killed-rayshard-brooks-identified/hBd198BmRV9Rgt7uSjvoZP/

is there a public safety reason why they didn't just let this guy run off? they had his car, they had his identity and the intoxication results...

Just a week or so ago Chicago cops had a car thief point blank but he struggled and they let him run off without a shot fired, he got into another car and killed a civilian in the pursuit.

It sounds like people are blaming the police for pursing the car thief (Police can do no right at the moment). I can understand the logic of calling off the pursuit in this situation the same as in the wendys killing. I also see it from the other side as well. In both cases cops were doing their job. Most people would not be happy watching the cops stop pursuit of their stolen vehicle and had the Mr Brooks harmed someone later that night im sure the police would have gotten in trouble.

Ultimately lives lost make any argument pro cops in these situations look uncompasionate.

I wish we had Judge Dredd guns that could quickly switch to stun on the fly.

[2018C3]

Bottom line is, don't commit crimes in the first place, and when you do don't run. Most of the time, but not always this is your best bet at staying out of trouble regardless of race.

When you get caught, comply to ease the tension. If you were treated unfairly, take it up in the courts. (After all this there will be plenty of social justice lawyers eager to pick up your case). Just keep a cool head out there when you are treated unfairly.

[jc23]

Bottom line is, don't commit crimes in the first place, and when you do don't run. Most of the time, but not always this is your best bet at staying out of trouble.

Im curious if this had happened a month ago before George Floyd if that man still tries to run away and shot the taser gun at the cop.

Not to trigger anyone but the media made covid look like it would be the Spanish Flu all over again for a period and regardless of its severity if you watched alot of news you were going to freak out and become paranoid. So right now every cop probably looks like Michael Myers to people because of the constant negative coverage.

[2018C3]

The Floyd situation was terrible, and there is no excuse for that. This instance overshadows literally millions of other encounters that do not end in the same way.

The media coverage is to blame, they are instigating a race war, and encouraging narrow minded extremists on both sides that most of this countries public does not want.

Back in the 90's when I was in college, I personally thought race relations were very good when compared to today. I thought my generation back then pretty much put a end to all of this.

In the fraternity I was in we had Europeans, Mexicans, Asians, and also offered membership to black applicants. While I was there none of the blacks accepted us, but they were offered to participate.

One of the black guys on my dorm floor rushed, turned us down, and joined another predominately black fraternity, I still hung out with him. Another guy in our frat dated a black girl, it wasn't a big deal at the time. It seemed people of all color were mixing without issue.

Even in the mid 80's, back in highschool I had white friends who dated outside there race, and also in grade school before that.

[dice]

unarmed atlanta man shot dead running from police after escaping arrest in wendy's parking lot, rioters burn down the restaurant:

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-atlanta-officer-who-killed-rayshard-brooks-identified/hBd198BmRV9Rgt7uSjvoZP/

is there a public safety reason why they didn't just let this guy run off? they had his car, they had his identity and the intoxication results...

Just a week or so ago Chicago cops had a car thief point blank but he struggled and they let him run off without a shot fired, he got into another car and killed a civilian in the pursuit.

It sounds like people are blaming the police for pursing the car thief (Police can do no right at the moment). I can understand the logic of calling off the pursuit in this situation the same as in the wendys killing. I also see it from the other side as well. In both cases cops were doing their job. Most people would not be happy watching the cops stop pursuit of their stolen vehicle and had the Mr Brooks harmed someone later that night im sure the police would have gotten in trouble.

Ultimately lives lost make any argument pro cops in these situations look uncompasionate.

I wish we had Judge Dredd guns that could quickly switch to stun on the fly.

pursuing a car thief is a very different scenario, particularly if they did not know his identity. nothing really changes by letting the guy flee in the wendy's scenario because he has to turn himself in at some point. worst case scenario you try to shoot the guy in the leg. and even that is extreme

[musiqsoulchild]

Bottom line is, don't commit crimes in the first place, and when you do don't run. Most of the time, but not always this is your best bet at staying out of trouble regardless of race.

When you get caught, comply to ease the tension. If you were treated unfairly, take it up in the courts. (After all this there will be plenty of social justice lawyers eager to pick up your case). Just keep a cool head out there when you are treated unfairly.

That's hardly the bottom line.

The bottom line is do not discharge your weapon with lethal force unless it is absolutely necessary to do so.

No one is questioning whether a criminal action was committed.

What's being questioned is why that resulted in said persons death at the hand of a cop?

There is no due process. That is unconstitutional

[2018C3]

No-one is ever trained to shoot at legs or arms. If you do shoot you aim at the largest body mass. If you aim at legs or arms, you risk stray shots and also put other innocent civilians in increased danger.

The bottom line is if you need to draw a weapon, you only do it for one purpose.

[dice]

Bottom line is, don't commit crimes in the first place, and when you do don't run. Most of the time, but not always this is your best bet at staying out of trouble regardless of race.

When you get caught, comply to ease the tension. If you were treated unfairly, take it up in the courts. (After all this there will be plenty of social justice lawyers eager to pick up your case). Just keep a cool head out there when you are treated unfairly.

That's hardly the bottom line.

The bottom line is do not discharge your weapon with lethal force unless it is absolutely necessary to do so.

No one is questioning whether a criminal action was committed.

What's being questioned is why that resulted in said persons death at the hand of a cop?

There is no due process. That is unconstitutional

yeah, nobody would disagree that the guy should not have resisted arrest. the question is what a reasonable response to that resistance should have been. the two cops should as a matter of habit discuss potential scenarios before they even get out of their car. "under what scenario would use of our guns be justified?" A: "there are two of us, so unless he is armed or somehow wrestles one of our guns away, our guns will remain holstered." the problem seems to be in a lot of these cases that when anything goes wrong, they instinctively go to the guns. that needs to be addressed in training

[2018C3]

I don't disagree, but at the same time a criminal initiates the whole conflict. and sometimes wins a Darwin Award.

Police also have family's that hope to see them back home. They already put them selves in danger with each shift, often encountering the worst members society has to offer.

I'm not saying they should shoot first and ask questions later, but oftentimes they also get the raw end of deal in public opinion.

Laws need to me made more clear on when they are allowed to draw and fire there weapons.

Maybe the solution is another organization should be formed that independently reviews public citizen police complaints outside the internal departments.

[musiqsoulchild]

No-one is ever trained to shoot at legs or arms. If you do shoot you aim at the largest body mass. If you aim at legs or arms, you risk stray shots and also put other innocent civilians in increased danger.

The bottom line is if you need to draw a weapon, you only do it for one purpose.

That's not ok.

That's why we are talking about this.

That is not justifiable anymore. It's the reason why the Police chief resigned immediately and the cop was fired.

We just cannot keep killing black men because we consider them more dangerous than a hite man in a similar situation.

[2018C3]

No-one is ever trained to shoot at legs or arms. If you do shoot you aim at the largest body mass. If you aim at legs or arms, you risk stray shots and also put other innocent civilians in increased danger.

The bottom line is if you need to draw a weapon, you only do it for one purpose.

That's not ok.

That's why we are talking about this.

That is not justifiable anymore. It's the reason why the Police chief resigned immediately and the cop was fired.

We just cannot keep killing black men because we consider them more dangerous than a hite man in a similar situation.

Don't twist my words, Never once did I mention any person regardless of color should be treated differently. All criminals who break the law should be treated with the same law enforcement techniques.


As long as you brought up hit men. (I assume you mean people who shoot up public places), I have no problem with government taking them out at first opportunity. Any criminal who endangers a innocent life should be dealt with by law enforcement (not renegade civilians) in the same way.

[musiqsoulchild]

No-one is ever trained to shoot at legs or arms. If you do shoot you aim at the largest body mass. If you aim at legs or arms, you risk stray shots and also put other innocent civilians in increased danger.

The bottom line is if you need to draw a weapon, you only do it for one purpose.

That's not ok.

That's why we are talking about this.

That is not justifiable anymore. It's the reason why the Police chief resigned immediately and the cop was fired.

We just cannot keep killing black men because we consider them more dangerous than a hite man in a similar situation.

Don't twist my words, Never once did I mention any person regardless of color should be treated differently. All criminals who break the law should be treated with the same law enforcement techniques.


As long as you brought up hit men. (I assume you mean people who shoot up public places), I have no problem with government taking them out at first opportunity. Any criminal who endangers a innocent life should be dealt with by law enforcement (not renegade civilians) in the same way.

I am saying drawing a gun ( lethal force) is not a good option and should be used very rarely.

And it's an option that is a lot more frequently used on black men than white men.

[2018C3]

Do people realize that that there are several countries who immigrate here and achieve higher success than native born Americans.

Here is a list in order:
India
Taiwan
France
Russia
Bulgaria
Spain
Turkey
China
Malaysia
Iran
Nigeria

On the bottom of this top performing list of immigrants is Nigeria. Today, 29% of Nigerian-Americans over the age of 25 hold a graduate degree, compared to 11% of the overall U.S. population.” Nigerian-Americans, are one of America’s “most successful immigrant communities, with a median household income of $62,351, compared to $57,617 nationally.

If America is as racist as the media leads us all to believe, Why can people from other countries and from diverse skin tones come here, and consistently out perform our native population?

I have consistently seen this in the work place. Many Florien born co-workers place a way higher emphasis on achievement in education than the typical home land born American.

People still come to this country with a dream, and with hard work they achieve it.