OT: Bears Talk - Justin Fields era begins

[Jcool0]

i've been borderline irrationally high on fields since shortly after the draft for a lot of reasons outlined in that video. can't remember the last time i've been this optimistic on a prospect.

it's just hard to imagine how a guy with very good accuracy, including elite deep ball accuracy, and elite mobility doesn't at least translate into a solid starting quarterback. either the numbers would have to be lying somehow, or he'd have to be completely incapable of reading an nfl defense, and there's no reason i can tell to believe that would be the case. (and tbh, given the way offenses have been built in the nfl over the last ~5 years, great arm talent and mobility can cover up a lot of defense-reading deficiencies if you've got a good enough scheme.)

So again, why did he drop? I can’t believe some researcher knew more than NFL scouting departments. The latter of whom knows more about his work ethic than YouTube pundits. And racism charge is equally unlikely. All we got on him is epilepsy and small hands. By the way, the last time a QB said he was the best quarterback in the draft it was the Houston quarterback. Good company.

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[nomorezorro]

it's entirely possible there's a legit glaring flaw that justified the drop. i'm just a random guy on the internet, what the hell do i know. his strengths just look really really good on paper to me, to the point i'm struggling to think of a qb in a similar mold that didn't pan out

someone who's high on fields would probably speculate that he fell because teams overthought it, dissected a big-name big-school "obvious top of the class" QB to a degree they didn't with other players, fell in love with other players. nfl teams certainly aren't infallible decision-makers.

[nomorezorro]

i guess maybe marcus mariotta is the cautionary tale i should keep in the back of my head? (even there there are a few obvious differences/confounding variables that leap out, but it's close enough to the basic player template i've convinced myself is next-to-foolproof)

[dice]

it's entirely possible there's a legit glaring flaw that justified the drop. i'm just a random guy on the internet, what the hell do i know. his strengths just look really really good on paper to me, to the point i'm struggling to think of a qb in a similar mold that didn't pan out

someone who's high on fields would probably speculate that he fell because teams overthought it, dissected a big-name big-school "obvious top of the class" QB to a degree they didn't with other players, fell in love with other players. nfl teams certainly aren't infallible decision-makers.

there's most likely an anti-OSU bias, particularly after haskins spectacularly flamed out. there also might be a slight subconscious racial bias. then there's the epilepsy thing. hand size is demonstrably a negligible factor in QB play, but maybe that factored in too. and chris simms also presented some potentially legitimate on-field arguments. but almost all of this was known well before his drop in advance of the draft...

[dice]

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Well laid out. What can Nagy do without restrictions?

I’m really hoping we see Fields early this season. Will be boring and borderline torture if we don’t.

you'll be bored if the bears win w/ dalton? 'cause that's the only thing that will keep fields off the field for an extended period of time

i was thinking that it does make sense to let the new O-line attempt to gel before throwing fields in there. could be a complete fiasco in those first few weeks

[Chi town]

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Well laid out. What can Nagy do without restrictions?

I’m really hoping we see Fields early this season. Will be boring and borderline torture if we don’t.

you'll be bored if the bears win w/ dalton? 'cause that's the only thing that will keep fields off the field for an extended period of time

i was thinking that it does make sense to let the new O-line attempt to gel before throwing fields in there. could be a complete fiasco in those first few weeks

I agree. Week 4 or 5 sounds good to me.

Winning w Dalton is like winning with Money Mitch last year… fluky and pointless.

[Jcool0]

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[RedBulls23]

i've been borderline irrationally high on fields since shortly after the draft for a lot of reasons outlined in that video. can't remember the last time i've been this optimistic on a prospect.

it's just hard to imagine how a guy with very good accuracy, including elite deep ball accuracy, and elite mobility doesn't at least translate into a solid starting quarterback. either the numbers would have to be lying somehow, or he'd have to be completely incapable of reading an nfl defense, and there's no reason i can tell to believe that would be the case. (and tbh, given the way offenses have been built in the nfl over the last ~5 years, great arm talent and mobility can cover up a lot of defense-reading deficiencies if you've got a good enough scheme.)

So again, why did he drop? I can’t believe some researcher knew more than NFL scouting departments. The latter of whom knows more about his work ethic than YouTube pundits. And racism charge is equally unlikely. All we got on him is epilepsy and small hands. By the way, the last time a QB said he was the best quarterback in the draft it was the Houston quarterback. Good company.

Why do so many great QBs drop? People over think it during the draft.

Obviously we'll see what happens with Fields, but maybe we don't need to over think it right now either.

[fleet]

if scouts had questions, bet it is more the funky throwing motion, and he needs room to to step into his throws, room which may not be there in the NFL. Not the defense reading stuff that pundits were talking about. Nagy’s protections will need to be on point. Which could have something to do with the hyper focus on OTs in the draft. And O-line in free agency.

[dougthonus]

Why do so many great QBs drop? People over think it during the draft.

Obviously we'll see what happens with Fields, but maybe we don't need to over think it right now either.

Regardless of the sport, why do we not predict any draft well? It's simply hard to tell how human beings will continue to grow and improve. You can take guesses that are somewhat accurate. There are sure is a better percentage of good players at the top of a draft than the bottom, but people simply change a lot and being ahead at age 21 isn't necessarily an indicator you will be ahead at age 25.

[TheSuzerain]

I wouldn't put too much stock in the decision-making of NFL front offices.

Most of them are former NFL dudes. And playing in the NFL leads to brain damage. Like I'd be stunned if John Lynch hasn't had double digit concussions.

[Susan]

How we feeling about all of this Aaron Rodgers drama?

[TheFinishSniper]

How we feeling about all of this Aaron Rodgers drama?

Same way I feel about Fields. Good.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

How we feeling about all of this Aaron Rodgers drama?

Same way I feel about Fields. Good.

It's chicken soup for the soul.

[Susan]

Until he starts missing games, I'm not really super excited. Week 1 in 2018 makes me not trust that mother ****.

[fleet]

since the Denver deal fell through, the happy balloons lost a lot of helium. You know he wants to olay bad enough to suck it up if he has to now. Leverage could be weak, because I assume if he had other teams he was prepared to walk to, we would be hearing more about it. I can’t see him holding out, he would have way less ability to orchestrate where he goes.

[Susan]

since the Denver deal fell through, the happy balloons lost a lot of helium. You know he wants to olay bad enough to suck it up if he has to now. Leverage could be weak, because I assume if he had other teams he was prepared to walk to, we would be hearing more about it. I can’t see him holding out, he would have way less ability to orchestrate where he goes.

Huh? There was no deal to Denver in place unless I missed it?

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He can't walk anywhere but he can absolutely hold out, the Packers can let him sit, suck, and get nothing for him or they can decide to trade him - their decision. He just doesn't want to be there anymore.

[Michael Jackson]

Yeah it appears management really pissed him off. Not saying he isn’t an interesting cat or a bit of a prima Donna but this goes beyond that I think, more just coupled with it. Someone really pissed him off. It’s interesting for sure, maybe Green Bay just has the hubris that they will always find a quarterback. Maybe Jordan really is the next guy like Rodgers was when they pushed Farve out. He was there for that obviously and he might just be reacting to the situation he was in the other end of years before.

[dougthonus]

He can't walk anywhere but he can absolutely hold out, the Packers can let him sit, suck, and get nothing for him or they can decide to trade him - their decision. He just doesn't want to be there anymore.

If I could get a kings ransom for Rodgers, I would sell his ass so fast it'd make your head spin. That said, if the offers coming in are only "haha, the Packers have to trade this dude, let's see if we can get him on the cheap, then I'd hold off.

Rodgers four year average is probably closer to 8-10th best QB in the league, but his last year was best QB in the league. I'd be willing to gamble that at 38, he's not going to maintain best QB in the league status and if I could get that kind of trade value back for him, then I'd be all over it.

[MalagaBulls]

Wow!! Fred Warner just inked a 5/95M extension as the highest paid ILB. This maay set the bar for Roquan's payday.

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