2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

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These type of courtside videos always make me appreciate just how fast these guys play and make decisions. Everything is split second. Looks way slower on TV

[Chi town]

I disagree, especially with Billy Donovan and AK running show. You take BPA early in full rebuild. We are not doing full rebuild. Taking a guard at this juncture, who wouldn’t play at all in 2026 or if he did, would reduce value of our trade assets, would be dumb. Our roster is totally backcourt heavy and it’s dumb. We need to balance it out and since we don’t have roster spots, it needs to be via draft.

We have the 1/2/3 of our lineup. Take a damn 4 or 5 or an extremely high upside pick we believe in like Coward who can atleast coexist with our core.

Disagree.

Billy plays two guards with Giddey at the 3 and Buz at the 4. Every starter min Buz played was at the 4.

Tre and Zo were starting at the 1 next to Coby and Giddey before injuries. They defended the opposing teams best guard.

Tre may not be resigned.
Zo can’t stay healthy.
Ayo could be traded and returns from injury.
Huerter only started after two injuries. He’s effectively our 6th man.
Pat is a 3-4 defender off the bench.

A player like Coward can really defend 1-4.
Penda can guard 2-4.
CB can guard 2-4.

Yes, I’d prefer a true defensive rim protector. But we also need an elite wing defender that hopefully has some shooting and on ball game. We need a secondary PG because Ayo ain’t it nor is Coby. We also need more shooting. Preferably movement shooting.

No disagreeing with our needs, but Nobody on this team including Matas, Giddey and Coby should stop AK from drafting the BPA, even if he is redundant. Nobody's that good.

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[Jvaughn]

Just in general I think the Bulls are in a position to draft BPA. You basically have Buzelis, Giddey and maybe Coby White as base pieces. No one else even matters. Given that Buz could eventually play the 3 or 4 and Giddey might end up as 1,2 or 3, you can really take anyone.

The Bulls will need a center but they should have massive capspace in 2026 and maybe you make it happen that way.

That's my thinking as well. Roster fit be damned at this point. We're guard heavy but if someone like Fears or KJ falls, draft em now, worry about the rest later.

[Chi town]

I've been doing a deeper dive into prospects I'm not too keen on, to try and see if I can be swayed.

Collin Murray-Boyles: I watched several videos of him, trying to see something to try and change my opinion of him. His defense is obviously his best attribute and he nice very good on that end. However, his offense is extremely underwhelming, it's all pick and rolls and put backs, he seems like a lane clogger, I'm not impressed with him in the slightest.

Not even remotely true.

His isolation, face up and post game were very good last season. He can attack with multiple dribbles and finish. He was also a hub for the team as a playmaker in the half court reliably. At bare minimum, he's competent to good at everything offensively.... except as a shooter, which is obviously a big deal and can limit his upside. But, anyone pretending he's just some rim runner isn't watching him.

He's skilled on both sides, but needs a Randle or Aaron Gordon improvement as a shooter, which isn't unrealistic.

This is why I can totally see AK drafting him. He loves the hub C. Jalen Smith can be the shooter spacer with him.

I know Billy would play CMB almost exclusively at the 5.

[CROBulls]

I only know one guy i sure want. Last year, one guy I knew was Buzelis. This year is Carter Bryant. But I know I dont want any of Duke boys not named Flagg. Under any circumstances.

[burlydee]

I can see why Queen is falling after the combine. He may be too small to play NBA C, and he's far too unathletic to play forward.
Even with a ton of basketball skill & feel, he may end up falling into the situation where Jahlil Okafor couldn't get any minutes.

Height: 6.77" w/o shoes
Hand Length: 32nd percentile
Lane Agility: 20th percentile
Standing Vert: 10th percentile
Wingspan: 15th percentile

Throw in that he has a rep of not playing or training very hard, I can see him freefalling in the draft.

Im going to zag here. More often than not, when a player starts falling because of measurables and these type of character issues, they end up being a baller.

He's almost the exact opposite of guys like Carter Bryant. He doesn't interview well. He's unorthodox. And when you go down his college box score, he put in work every single day. You never didn't notice when he was the court. At #12, im definitely taking a chance on a guy this productive.

[sco]

I can see why Queen is falling after the combine. He may be too small to play NBA C, and he's far too unathletic to play forward.
Even with a ton of basketball skill & feel, he may end up falling into the situation where Jahlil Okafor couldn't get any minutes.

Height: 6.77" w/o shoes
Hand Length: 32nd percentile
Lane Agility: 20th percentile
Standing Vert: 10th percentile
Wingspan: 15th percentile

Throw in that he has a rep of not playing or training very hard, I can see him freefalling in the draft.

Im going to zag here. More often than not, when a player starts falling because of measurables and these type of character issues, they end up being a baller.

He's almost the exact opposite of guys like Carter Bryant. He doesn't interview well. He's unorthodox. And when you go down his college box score, he put in work every single day. You never didn't notice when he was the court. At #12, im definitely taking a chance on a guy this productive.

I feel you, but no thanks.

[Chi town]

I can see why Queen is falling after the combine. He may be too small to play NBA C, and he's far too unathletic to play forward.
Even with a ton of basketball skill & feel, he may end up falling into the situation where Jahlil Okafor couldn't get any minutes.

Height: 6.77" w/o shoes
Hand Length: 32nd percentile
Lane Agility: 20th percentile
Standing Vert: 10th percentile
Wingspan: 15th percentile

Throw in that he has a rep of not playing or training very hard, I can see him freefalling in the draft.

Im going to zag here. More often than not, when a player starts falling because of measurables and these type of character issues, they end up being a baller.

He's almost the exact opposite of guys like Carter Bryant. He doesn't interview well. He's unorthodox. And when you go down his college box score, he put in work every single day. You never didn't notice when he was the court. At #12, im definitely taking a chance on a guy this productive.

I feel you, but no thanks.

I’m with you SCO. Pass.

Queen has ridiculous talent. I just don’t trust he will ever take it serious.

I can see Queen going high or taking a big slide.

[burlydee]

Im going to zag here. More often than not, when a player starts falling because of measurables and these type of character issues, they end up being a baller.

He's almost the exact opposite of guys like Carter Bryant. He doesn't interview well. He's unorthodox. And when you go down his college box score, he put in work every single day. You never didn't notice when he was the court. At #12, im definitely taking a chance on a guy this productive.

I feel you, but no thanks.

I’m with you SCO. Pass.

Queen has ridiculous talent. I just don’t trust he will ever take it serious.

I can see Queen going high or taking a big slide.

You don't even know him. He seems like he can score from anywhere on the floor. Has excellent touch with either hand. Rebounds and plays really good D. He's definitely in the group of players id consider at #12.

Also as I suspected, the posted measurements weren't correct. Let him fall like Matas. I'll be giddy (pun intended).

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[Rose2Boozer]

I'm gonna keep mocking Queen 6 to the Wizards until the actual draft proves me wrong.

[HomoSapien]

I also am really intrigued by Queen. The talent is clearly there. He reminds me of a bigger (although apparently not that much bigger) Elton Brand. If I had more confidence in his defensive potential he'd be really high on my list.

[nomorezorro]

at 12 i guessssssss i could understand rolling the dice on queen's talent, but ultimately i'm really not interested in taking a center where it would be an accomplishment if he ever became even a mediocre defender

[HomoSapien]

I finally did my deep dive. Why isn't Maxime Raynaud mocked higher? This guy might be the biggest sleeper of the draft. I noted Danny Wolf months ago as a guy to watch. I think I like Raynaud much more, and I would suggest we consider him at 12.

[CROBulls]

I finally did my deep dive. Why isn't Maxime Raynaud mocked higher? This guy might be the biggest sleeper of the draft. I noted Danny Wolf months ago as a guy to watch. I think I like Raynaud much more, and I would suggest we consider him at 12.

He should be mocked higher due his size and skillset. But he is 22. I can see why 15 NBA teams decide to skip him just because of age. He is for sure not top 10 prospect, but his skillset at his size might suggest that he could carve role to be decent player. Lottery draft is still about gambling just like lottery odds winning lottery draft. It's about upside.

I would not be completely mad if Bulls reached. But it's like drafting Dougie Mcbuckets at 14. It's waste of pick for us at 12 if there is upside calibre player available to pick.

[HomoSapien]

I finally did my deep dive. Why isn't Maxime Raynaud mocked higher? This guy might be the biggest sleeper of the draft. I noted Danny Wolf months ago as a guy to watch. I think I like Raynaud much more, and I would suggest we consider him at 12.

He should be mocked higher due his size and skillset. But he is 22. I can see why 15 NBA teams decide to skip him just because of age. He is for sure not top 10 prospect, but his skillset at his size might suggest that he could carve role to be decent player. Lottery draft is still about gambling just like lottery odds winning lottery draft. It's about upside.

I would not be completely mad if Bulls reached. But it's like drafting Dougie Mcbuckets at 14. It's waste of pick for us at 12 if there is upside calibre player available to pick.

Totally get the age thing, but I think he's a different 22 than McDermott. Unlike being a coaches son, Raynaud is a late bloomer and started playing organized basketball relatively late. I think this guy is a true diamond in the rough.

This is an eye popping skillset and having him next to Matas would be a ton of fun.

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[BullsSD]

I finally did my deep dive. Why isn't Maxime Raynaud mocked higher? This guy might be the biggest sleeper of the draft. I noted Danny Wolf months ago as a guy to watch. I think I like Raynaud much more, and I would suggest we consider him at 12.

Raynaud at #12 would be gross mismanagement of the pick and frankly NBA blasphemy. If that's the guy, we need to trade back into the late 20's, if not the second round altogether.

I think Wolf is entirely reasonable at #12 though. He and Giddey would make for some exciting play making and basketball, but obviously would likely get EXPOSED on the defensive end without a defensive minded 2 and 4.

Still a proponent of keeping #12 and trying to trade into the #20's if the value is right. This draft is deep enough, and with a Coward of Wolf available in the 20's, taking Fleming at 12 & a Coward/Wolf in late first round would be a grade A draft this year in my opinion.

[HomoSapien]

I finally did my deep dive. Why isn't Maxime Raynaud mocked higher? This guy might be the biggest sleeper of the draft. I noted Danny Wolf months ago as a guy to watch. I think I like Raynaud much more, and I would suggest we consider him at 12.

Raynaud at #12 would be gross mismanagement of the pick and frankly NBA blasphemy. If that's the guy, we need to trade back into the late 20's, if not the second round altogether.

I think Wolf is entirely reasonable at #12 though. He and Giddey would make for some exciting play making and basketball, but obviously would likely get EXPOSED on the defensive end without a defensive minded 2 and 4.

Still a proponent of keeping #12 and trying to trade into the #20's if the value is right. This draft is deep enough, and with a Coward of Wolf available in the 20's, taking Fleming at 12 & a Coward/Wolf in late first round would be a grade A draft this year in my opinion.

I shall let my big man draft history do the talking:

2017:

What do you all think about Bam Adebayo? I really like the guy. Has an NBA ready body. Can hit the glass hard. Athletic. Great size. Clogs the middle. Sort of reminds me of Dwight Howard.

I wouldn't consider him with our pick, I think he's more of a fringe 1st rounder. He's got that Dwight frame but doesn't have the length. Skill-set appears to project more as an energy big/finisher, i.e. A back up big, imo. Should definitely gind a niche in the league though.

DraftExpress is saying his wingspan is 7'1.5" and at only 19 he's pretty productive despite still being raw. I didn't watch a ton of college basketball last season, but from what I've seen from him I think he's going to be a high reward player. People are usually down on these big men coming into the draft, but a lot of them have surprised (Drummond, Jordan, Dwight, Whiteside). DraftExpress has him going 31. I predict he'll sneak into the top 18 by the draft.

2019:

Naz Reid could be a great sleeper pick in the second round if we're lucky to see him fall there. He's really the definition of a modern center on offense.

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Raynaud will be good.

[Indomitable]

I disagree, especially with Billy Donovan and AK running show. You take BPA early in full rebuild. We are not doing full rebuild. Taking a guard at this juncture, who wouldn’t play at all in 2026 or if he did, would reduce value of our trade assets, would be dumb. Our roster is totally backcourt heavy and it’s dumb. We need to balance it out and since we don’t have roster spots, it needs to be via draft.

We have the 1/2/3 of our lineup. Take a damn 4 or 5 or an extremely high upside pick we believe in like Coward who can atleast coexist with our core.

Disagree.

Billy plays two guards with Giddey at the 3 and Buz at the 4. Every starter min Buz played was at the 4.

Tre and Zo were starting at the 1 next to Coby and Giddey before injuries. They defended the opposing teams best guard.

Tre may not be resigned.
Zo can’t stay healthy.
Ayo could be traded and returns from injury.
Huerter only started after two injuries. He’s effectively our 6th man.
Pat is a 3-4 defender off the bench.

A player like Coward can really defend 1-4.
Penda can guard 2-4.
CB can guard 2-4.

Yes, I’d prefer a true defensive rim protector. But we also need an elite wing defender that hopefully has some shooting and on ball game. We need a secondary PG because Ayo ain’t it nor is Coby. We also need more shooting. Preferably movement shooting.

No disagreeing with our needs, but Nobody on this team including Matas, Giddey and Coby should stop AK from drafting the BPA, even if he is redundant. Nobody's that good.

You can always move talent. Drafting for need boxes you in if it does not workout.

[2weekswithpay]

I finally did my deep dive. Why isn't Maxime Raynaud mocked higher? This guy might be the biggest sleeper of the draft. I noted Danny Wolf months ago as a guy to watch. I think I like Raynaud much more, and I would suggest we consider him at 12.

Very questionable defense. A 0.6 DBPM and a two-year sample size of Stanford being better defensively with Reynaud on the bench. He's also a senior. A senior big with a DBPM < 1 is a big red flag.

[BullsSD]

Raynaud will be good.

Let me clarify. I totally agree he has potential and I like him as a prospect as well. I just think taking him at #12 would not be the best use of value when almost every draft has him going round 2.

You sure did nail both Bam and Naz tho!

Do you see Fleming as being able to reach a Naz Reid type production level? Or are you out on him?