Derrick Rose Thread #13 - Acceptance

dice · Post #981 » by **dice** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:54 pm

AAU Teammate wrote:We all pretend we know all about these guys' compensation injuries - but we dont. Those are more facts we dont have. How did compensation injuries affect their summers? How did compensation injuries affect their NEXT season's start?

thing is, even if derrick were to suffer injuries as a result of returning too soon after being fully healthy :roll:

, HE'D HAVE THE SUMMER AND EVEN THE BEGINNING OF NEXT SEASON TO RECOVER!

is there heightened risk of major injury such as another ACL tear right now? no? then get your *** out on the court like joakim has been

DaMayor73 · Post #982 » by **DaMayor73** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:01 pm

dice wrote:
AAU Teammate wrote:We all pretend we know all about these guys' compensation injuries - but we dont. Those are more facts we dont have. How did compensation injuries affect their summers? How did compensation injuries affect their NEXT season's start?

thing is, even if derrick were to suffer injuries as a result of returning too soon after being fully healthy , HE'D HAVE THE SUMMER AND EVEN THE BEGINNING OF NEXT SEASON TO RECOVER!

is there heightened risk of major injury such as another ACL tear right now? no? then get your *** out on the court like joakim has been

So the fact that he does not trust his knee yet means nothing, huh?

SteelerSpartan · Post #983 » by **SteelerSpartan** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:04 pm

man tony on PTI just ripped him and the national media for not questioning him

said Rose needs to go get his permission slip from his brother an get out there like Noah

DaMayor73 · Post #984 » by **DaMayor73** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:04 pm

DuckIII wrote:Which is exactly what Luol Deng did.

And DaMayor, when I said "it hasn't happened" I meant that Rose hasn't come forth with any medical opinion supporting his conduct as being medically valid or preferred. And he has every reason to do so.

Every reason to do so? Why? To satisfy fans of your ilk? He has already stayed he is not coming back until he is 100% healthy. Seems pretty definitive to me.

DaMayor73 · Post #985 » by **DaMayor73** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:06 pm

SteelerSpartan wrote:man tony on PTI just ripped him and the national media for not questioning him

But every current and former NBA player has stated he is doing the right thing by healing. Think I will ride with their expert opinion and not some sportsritet's screed. Thanks though.

bledredwine · Post #986 » by **bledredwine** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:09 pm

DaMayor73 wrote:
SteelerSpartan wrote:man tony on PTI just ripped him and the national media for not questioning him

But every current and former NBA player has stated he is doing the right thing by healing. Think I will ride with their expert opinion and not some sportsritet's screed. Thanks though.

including his teammates and coach, several other players.

But what do they know?

SteelerSpartan · Post #987 » by **SteelerSpartan** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:10 pm

DaMayor73 wrote:
SteelerSpartan wrote:man tony on PTI just ripped him and the national media for not questioning him

But every current and former NBA player has stated he is doing the right thing by healing. Think I will ride with their expert opinion and not some sportsritet's screed. Thanks though.

just posting what tony said....because its one of 1st National Media dudes Ive seen blatantly make jokes an rip Rose

As for me, Im resigned to the fact that he's done and I hope he comes back strong next year.....but Im going to get ticked off if the reality show drama continues over the summer and we get Ric Bucher status updates of how happy or unhappy team rose is with the FO

DaMayor73 · Post #988 » by **DaMayor73** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:11 pm

bledredwine wrote:
DaMayor73 wrote:
SteelerSpartan wrote:man tony on PTI just ripped him and the national media for not questioning him

But every current and former NBA player has stated he is doing the right thing by healing. Think I will ride with their expert opinion and not some sportsritet's screed. Thanks though.

including his teammates and coach, several other players.

But what do they know?

Reinsdorf himself has said he wants Derrick fully healthy. He is the boss. Why would I argue with that? Yet some of these 'fans' persist.

bledredwine · Post #989 » by **bledredwine** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:15 pm

DaMayor73 wrote:
bledredwine wrote:
DaMayor73 wrote:But every current and former NBA player has stated he is doing the right thing by healing. Think I will ride with their expert opinion and not some sportsritet's screed. Thanks though.

including his teammates and coach, several other players.

But what do they know?

Reinsdorf himself has said he wants Derrick fully healthy. He is the boss. Why would I argue with that? Yet some of these 'fans' persist.

I know, I honestly don't get it. It's not like the evidence/quotes are 50/50, literally every reliable source we've heard from (players/coaches) says he wants to play and needs more time. But because of Reggie Rose months ago, we choose to believe he's "sending a message".

It's simply impatience. I came to terms with the truth a while ago; that there's a chance he just won't play this season. If you're expecting him to play, you'll be disappointed. But putting pressure and blame on him after all he's done? To me seems like betrayal and even borderline laughable.

Post #990 » by **coldfish** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:19 pm

DaMayor73 wrote:
SteelerSpartan wrote:man tony on PTI just ripped him and the national media for not questioning him

But every current and former NBA player has stated he is doing the right thing by healing. Think I will ride with their expert opinion and not some sportsritet's screed. Thanks though.

OK, let's go with your worst case scenario, which is that months and months and months after almost all NBA players get back to playing, Rose still isn't healthy enough to play.

How awful is that for Derrick, the Bulls and the fans? The guy is having a Shaun Livingston type recovery if this is true and his career as a top line player is likely over.

I hope you are wrong but I don't have any definitive proof that you aren't.

lu9 · Post #991 » by **lu9** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:21 pm

bledredwine wrote:
I know, I honestly don't get it. It's not like the evidence/quotes are 50/50, literally every reliable source we've heard from (players/coaches) says he wants to play and needs more time. But because of Reggie Rose months ago, we choose to believe he's "sending a message".

It's simply impatience. I came to terms with the truth a while ago; that there's a chance he just won't play this season. If you're expecting him to play, you'll be disappointed. But putting pressure and blame on him after all he's done? To me seems like betrayal and even borderline laughable.

That's fine. But how to do you explain away all other NBA (not to mention other sports) ACL recoveries in the last 20 years?

Is it so completely inconceivable that Derrick is scared that he won't be 110% MVP Rose and therefore needs a push to go out there. Is there a chance that this skittles eating humble young guy doesn't know exactly what's best for him? I don't question each side, I just have to wonder how the "its completely unfair to question Rose" Camp ignores some of the obvious here.

panthermark · Post #992 » by **panthermark** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:30 pm

DaMayor73 wrote:Every reason to do so? Why? To satisfy fans of your ilk? He has already stayed he is not coming back until he is 100% healthy. Seems pretty definitive to me.

DaMayor73 wrote:But every current and former NBA player has stated he is doing the right thing by healing. Think I will ride with their expert opinion and not some sportsritet's screed. Thanks though.

The disconnect you continue to ingore.

No one comes back from an ACL injury at 100%. That is simply not the nature of the injury.

Do you think that ANY of the players that came back from ACL repair were 100% when they stepped on to the field or court?

The ACL is 100% healed, but they are not 100% of what they were.

DaMayor73 · Post #993 » by **DaMayor73** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:44 pm

panthermark wrote:

The disconnect you continue to ingore.

No one comes back from an ACL injury at 100%. That is simply not the nature of the injury.

Do you think that ANY of the players that came back from ACL repair were 100% when they stepped on to the field or court?

Disconnect? No. What is disconnected is using anecdotal info to apply to every situation. How many MVP level players have torn their ACL's in the last 25 years? None. So how can you lump rose in with other players? You can't.

Post #994 » by **AshyLarrysDiaper** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:51 pm

DaMayor73 wrote:
panthermark wrote:

The disconnect you continue to ingore.

No one comes back from an ACL injury at 100%. That is simply not the nature of the injury.

Do you think that ANY of the players that came back from ACL repair were 100% when they stepped on to the field or court?

Disconnect? No. What is disconnected is using anecdotal info to apply to every situation. How many MVP level players have torn their ACL's in the last 25 years? None. So how can you lump rose in with a other players? You can't.

What does Derrick being an MVP have to do with this?

DaMayor73 · Post #995 » by **DaMayor73** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:55 pm

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
DaMayor73 wrote:
panthermark wrote:

The disconnect you continue to ingore.

No one comes back from an ACL injury at 100%. That is simply not the nature of the injury.

Do you think that ANY of the players that came back from ACL repair were 100% when they stepped on to the field or court?

Disconnect? No. What is disconnected is using anecdotal info to apply to every situation. How many MVP level players have torn their ACL's in the last 25 years? None. So how can you lump rose in with a other players? You can't.

What does Derrick being an MVP have to do with this?

He is the first MVP caliber player to go through an ACL in his prime. So why would we use anecdotal info on lower level players without his skill set as a guide for his recovery? He does not want to come back not healed. Nor should he.

Post #996 » by **AshyLarrysDiaper** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:58 pm

DaMayor73 wrote:He is the first MVP caliber player to go through an ACL in his prime. So why would we use anecdotal info on lower level players without his skill set as a guide for his recovery? He does not want to come back not healed. Nor should he.

OK. What does skill set have to do with this?

panthermark · Post #997 » by **panthermark** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:00 pm

DaMayor73 wrote:
panthermark wrote:

The disconnect you continue to ingore.

No one comes back from an ACL injury at 100%. That is simply not the nature of the injury.

Do you think that ANY of the players that came back from ACL repair were 100% when they stepped on to the field or court?

Disconnect? No. What is disconnected is using anecdotal info to apply to every situation.

Looking at every NBA player that has torn their ACL over the past 15 years is now ancedotal?

Translation - I can't argue against said facts....(Every player in the last 15 years that didnt have a complex ACL injury nor set-backs came back in roughly 8-9 months unless the off-season delayed. Even then, none were out longer than 10.5 months)....so I'll just dismiss it as ancedotal. We know these timelines because Rose isn't the first person in the history of sports to tear is ACL.

And you still skipped over answering the question by trying to redirect the subject.

I'll ask again, do you think any of the players that returned from ACL were at 100% of their pre-injury level when returned to their sports?

Post #998 » by **kingkirk** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:01 pm

DaMayor73 wrote:Wilbon nails it! He is 100% correct and you 'fans' need to let this young man heal, physically and mentally, and kick ass next year. Bravo, Mr. Wilbon!!

Wilbon has been extremely disappointing and a pussy foot when it has come to the Bulls and Rose.

Post #999 » by **kingkirk** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:03 pm

DaMayor73 wrote:
SteelerSpartan wrote:man tony on PTI just ripped him and the national media for not questioning him

But every current and former NBA player has stated he is doing the right thing by healing. Think I will ride with their expert opinion and not some sportsritet's screed. Thanks though.

NBA players are not experts on injuries.

Post #1000 » by **kingkirk** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:04 pm

DaMayor73 wrote:Reinsdorf himself has said he wants Derrick fully healthy. He is the boss. Why would I argue with that? Yet some of these 'fans' persist.

Reinsdorf also hasn't wanted to go over the cap for many seasons now. Why have people argued against that and not this?

Wasn't Reggie indirectly arguing against this when he made his infamous quotes?