Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[sco]

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PG Next Year:
We've talked about some of the following PG FA this summer (with their ages listed at the start of next season; Youngest to Oldest):

Elfrid Payton - 25
Terry Rozier - 25 (RFA)
Kyrie Irving - 27
Austin Rivers - 27
Malcolm Brogdon - 27
Ricky Rubio - 29
Kemba Walker - 29
Jeremy Lin - 31
Patrick Beverley - 31
Derrick Rose - 31
Darren Collison - 32
Rajon Rondo - 33


However, are their any of the following PG listed below that you would trade for and hence "lose assets" (ages listed at the start of next season; Youngest to oldest; plus the amount of their contract that is left and years), and if so, what would it take:

1. Dennis Schroeder - 26 (15m / 15m)
2. Jordan Clarkson - 27 (13m)
3. Brandon Knight - 28 (15m)
4. Damian Lillard - 29 (30m / 31m)
5. Jrue Holiday - 29 (26m / 26m / 27m)
6. Avery Bradley - 29 (13m - TO)
7. E'Twaun Moore - 30 (8m)
8. Patrick Mills - 31 (12m / 13m)
9. Jeff Teague - 31 (19m)
10. DJ Augustine - 32 (7m)
11. Mike Conley - 32 (32m / 34m)
12. Kyle Lowry - 33 (33m)
13. George Hill - 33 (19m)
14. Goran Dragic - 33 (19m)


To me:
Jrue Holiday would be my best pursuit, but you'd have to give up this years draft pick. Maybe they'd take Felicio also??
I believe that if the Raptors don't make it far this playoff season, and Kawhi goes elsewhere, Lowry will be available!
There's rumors Kemba Walker may not resign with Charlotte!
Same with Portland: If they continue to falter in the playoffs, what about Lillard?

AA

The only guy I would trade for on that list Holiday, but we don't have salary to include to make a deal work.

More importantly, I would prefer to keep meaningful assets and just get one of the FA's:

I'm still lobbying (against strong opposition) for putting our most available $ on the table for Brogdon. That said, I would be almost as happy if we could sign Beverly, Rubio or Collison for a value deal. This big issue with many of the PG names we discuss is that most are oft injured.

[WindyCityBorn]

I'm not giving up or pock for JRue Holiday. I don't care where it falls. Giving up a lottery pick to take on a massively overpaid player is too much. At least with Porter we didn't give up anything that we highly valued.

[KevinPandawong]

What would it take to grab Monte Morris from Denver? I'd trade Otto Porter straight up, this year's pick, or next year's 1st lightly protected(top 4 or 6) and try to get MPJ added in return. Morris might not have the flash of a Trae Young but he's an elite shooter and never turns the ball over on a 2 year/$3.2m contract.

Morris($1.6m)
Lavine($19.5m)
Markkanen($5.3m)
Carter($5.3m)

That's a very strong core for extremely cheap with or without OPJ. I'd argue Morris brings this core pretty close to a top-4 finish in a weak East especially if Boston and Toronto have less than ideal offseasons.

But the best thing Morris brings to the table is cap flexibility. You could use this year's cap to buyout Felicio, become a serious playoff team and go into the 2020 offseason with space for 2 max contracts to entice AD and his buddy of choice.

I have a strong feeling that outside of Zion, just about every player top-5 in the 2019 draft will be worth significantly less than their draft slot for their entire rookie deals and possibly careers. Morant, Barrett, Reddish, and even Culver are all still extremely raw. I can definitely see Morris performing top 15-20 at his position with starter minutes and on his deal at 24 years old; I doubt there'd be a more valuable contract in the NBA.

[sco]

What would it take to grab Monte Morris from Denver? I'd trade Otto Porter straight up, this year's pick, or next year's 1st lightly protected(top 4 or 6) and try to get MPJ added in return. Morris might not have the flash of a Trae Young but he's an elite shooter and never turns the ball over on a 2 year/$3.2m contract.

Morris($1.6m)
Lavine($19.5m)
Markkanen($5.3m)
Carter($5.3m)

That's a very strong core for extremely cheap with or without OPJ. I'd argue Morris brings this core pretty close to a top-4 finish in a weak East especially if Boston and Toronto have less than ideal offseasons.

But the best thing Morris brings to the table is cap flexibility. You could use this year's cap to buyout Felicio, become a serious playoff team and go into the 2020 offseason with space for 2 max contracts to entice AD and his buddy of choice.

I have a strong feeling that outside of Zion, just about every player top-5 in the 2019 draft will be worth significantly less than their draft slot for their entire rookie deals and possibly careers. Morant, Barrett, Reddish, and even Culver are all still extremely raw. I can definitely see Morris performing top 15-20 at his position with starter minutes and on his deal at 24 years old; I doubt there'd be a more valuable contract in the NBA.

I like Morris too, but $ won't work for Otto. I'd definitely look at a future protected 1st though.

[League Circles]

What trade targets would you guys pursue prior to the draft, if any, assuming we're not the #1 pick?

I'd be shopping combinations of Dunn, our pick, Valentine, future picks, Felicio, Hutchison and Blakeney for the best PG available.

Not sure if I'd do it, but I can see any of these guys being possibly available for some combo of our assets:

Chris Paul
John Wall
Mike Conley
Jrue Holiday
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
DeAaron Fox

There's probably a theoretical deal I'd do for any of these guys that's plausible before the draft. Would help us know our needs. Would truly allow us to draft BPA (if we still had our pick left).

[CoreyVillains]

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PG Next Year:
We've talked about some of the following PG FA this summer (with their ages listed at the start of next season; Youngest to Oldest):

Elfrid Payton - 25
Terry Rozier - 25 (RFA)
Kyrie Irving - 27
Austin Rivers - 27
Malcolm Brogdon - 27
Ricky Rubio - 29
Kemba Walker - 29
Jeremy Lin - 31
Patrick Beverley - 31
Derrick Rose - 31
Darren Collison - 32
Rajon Rondo - 33


However, are their any of the following PG listed below that you would trade for and hence "lose assets" (ages listed at the start of next season; Youngest to oldest; plus the amount of their contract that is left and years), and if so, what would it take:

1. Dennis Schroeder - 26 (15m / 15m)
2. Jordan Clarkson - 27 (13m)
3. Brandon Knight - 28 (15m)
4. Damian Lillard - 29 (30m / 31m)
5. Jrue Holiday - 29 (26m / 26m / 27m)
6. Avery Bradley - 29 (13m - TO)
7. E'Twaun Moore - 30 (8m)
8. Patrick Mills - 31 (12m / 13m)
9. Jeff Teague - 31 (19m)
10. DJ Augustine - 32 (7m)
11. Mike Conley - 32 (32m / 34m)
12. Kyle Lowry - 33 (33m)
13. George Hill - 33 (19m)
14. Goran Dragic - 33 (19m)


To me:
Jrue Holiday would be my best pursuit, but you'd have to give up this years draft pick. Maybe they'd take Felicio also??
I believe that if the Raptors don't make it far this playoff season, and Kawhi goes elsewhere, Lowry will be available!
There's rumors Kemba Walker may not resign with Charlotte!
Same with Portland: If they continue to falter in the playoffs, what about Lillard?

AA

Portland would trade CJ before Lillard. I'd bet they'd fire Stotts before trading Dame as well. We won't have enough money for Kemba and I'd be hesitant to give him the money he'll get. Out of that group, I'd trade for Conley, Jrue, and Lowry. Jrue would cost the most being the youngest. Those three vet guys are towards the end of their deals which allows us to have some room in the 2021 off-season (significantly better than the 2020 class) and they'd bring the pieces on our roster together and make us a legit playoff team in the East next season, which is important for our core.

[Grodoboldo]

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PG Next Year:
We've talked about some of the following PG FA this summer (with their ages listed at the start of next season; Youngest to Oldest):

Elfrid Payton - 25
Terry Rozier - 25 (RFA)
Kyrie Irving - 27
Austin Rivers - 27
Malcolm Brogdon - 27
Ricky Rubio - 29
Kemba Walker - 29
Jeremy Lin - 31
Patrick Beverley - 31
Derrick Rose - 31
Darren Collison - 32
Rajon Rondo - 33


However, are their any of the following PG listed below that you would trade for and hence "lose assets" (ages listed at the start of next season; Youngest to oldest; plus the amount of their contract that is left and years), and if so, what would it take:

1. Dennis Schroeder - 26 (15m / 15m)
2. Jordan Clarkson - 27 (13m)
3. Brandon Knight - 28 (15m)
4. Damian Lillard - 29 (30m / 31m)
5. Jrue Holiday - 29 (26m / 26m / 27m)
6. Avery Bradley - 29 (13m - TO)
7. E'Twaun Moore - 30 (8m)
8. Patrick Mills - 31 (12m / 13m)
9. Jeff Teague - 31 (19m)
10. DJ Augustine - 32 (7m)
11. Mike Conley - 32 (32m / 34m)
12. Kyle Lowry - 33 (33m)
13. George Hill - 33 (19m)
14. Goran Dragic - 33 (19m)


To me:
Jrue Holiday would be my best pursuit, but you'd have to give up this years draft pick. Maybe they'd take Felicio also??
I believe that if the Raptors don't make it far this playoff season, and Kawhi goes elsewhere, Lowry will be available!
There's rumors Kemba Walker may not resign with Charlotte!
Same with Portland: If they continue to falter in the playoffs, what about Lillard?

AA

I’d easily trade Dunn + a Grizzlies 2nd rounder for Moore.

[WindyCityBorn]

What trade targets would you guys pursue prior to the draft, if any, assuming we're not the #1 pick?

I'd be shopping combinations of Dunn, our pick, Valentine, future picks, Felicio, Hutchison and Blakeney for the best PG available.

Not sure if I'd do it, but I can see any of these guys being possibly available for some combo of our assets:

Chris Paul
John Wall
Mike Conley
Jrue Holiday
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
DeAaron Fox

There's probably a theoretical deal I'd do for any of these guys that's plausible before the draft. Would help us know our needs. Would truly allow us to draft BPA (if we still had our pick left).

Only Fox or SGA.

[Ugly Duckling]

What trade targets would you guys pursue prior to the draft, if any, assuming we're not the #1 pick?

I'd be shopping combinations of Dunn, our pick, Valentine, future picks, Felicio, Hutchison and Blakeney for the best PG available.

Not sure if I'd do it, but I can see any of these guys being possibly available for some combo of our assets:

Chris Paul
John Wall
Mike Conley
Jrue Holiday
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
DeAaron Fox

There's probably a theoretical deal I'd do for any of these guys that's plausible before the draft. Would help us know our needs. Would truly allow us to draft BPA (if we still had our pick left).

No one wants Dunn, Felicio or Blakeney. Our pick, Valentine and Hutchison are valuable. Keep them. Sign the best FA PG we can get

[League Circles]

What trade targets would you guys pursue prior to the draft, if any, assuming we're not the #1 pick?

I'd be shopping combinations of Dunn, our pick, Valentine, future picks, Felicio, Hutchison and Blakeney for the best PG available.

Not sure if I'd do it, but I can see any of these guys being possibly available for some combo of our assets:

Chris Paul
John Wall
Mike Conley
Jrue Holiday
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
DeAaron Fox

There's probably a theoretical deal I'd do for any of these guys that's plausible before the draft. Would help us know our needs. Would truly allow us to draft BPA (if we still had our pick left).

No one wants Dunn, Felicio or Blakeney. Our pick, Valentine and Hutchison are valuable. Keep them. Sign the best FA PG we can get

Felicio, Blakeney and Valentine would be shopped as part of packages for salary matching purposes, not because they're desired. I disagree that no one would want Dunn. We can offer major salary relief to another team.

[sco]

So the question on the table worth discussing is whether Dunn plus 2 seconds or a 2020 lottery-protected 1st can return a starting-level talent?

[Ugly Duckling]

I wonder how much Derrick will command. He's hard to price. He deserves more than the MLE. Maybe 10 a yr for 3yrs with the last yr being a team option? Or is that too low? I would make that offer at least and see what his agent says

[dpucane]

What trade targets would you guys pursue prior to the draft, if any, assuming we're not the #1 pick?

I'd be shopping combinations of Dunn, our pick, Valentine, future picks, Felicio, Hutchison and Blakeney for the best PG available.

Not sure if I'd do it, but I can see any of these guys being possibly available for some combo of our assets:

Chris Paul
John Wall
Mike Conley
Jrue Holiday
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
DeAaron Fox

There's probably a theoretical deal I'd do for any of these guys that's plausible before the draft. Would help us know our needs. Would truly allow us to draft BPA (if we still had our pick left).

The first thing you do is offer the pick (or the best pick if we trade down) for Shai. He immediately changes the trajectory/ceiling of the franchise.

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[Ccwatercraft]

Is there any fa not listed that isn't a traditional pg but can guard one?

A poor man's klay perhaps?

[bigworld2017]

Reports are that the Mavs plan to go after Kemba hard in the off season. If they land him Dallas might be willing to part with Jalen Brunson for a 2nd rounder plus "cash considerations". Brunson is no superstar in the making, but he does a little of everything and is starting to come into his own. Averaging almost 8 a game in 19 minutes. Hitting 34.6% from "3". 2.7 assists per 19 minutes. The other day against Houston he went for 18 points, 7 rebounds, and 4 assists. I liked his game at Villanova. He'll be a on a cheap Rookie contract several more years. Good BB IQ. Not a turnover machine. Getting a guy like him frees up more money to use to improve our bench. As opposed to adding an older and very expensive vet like Wall or Conley.

[PrimzyBulls81]

What would it take to grab Monte Morris from Denver? I'd trade Otto Porter straight up, this year's pick, or next year's 1st lightly protected(top 4 or 6) and try to get MPJ added in return. Morris might not have the flash of a Trae Young but he's an elite shooter and never turns the ball over on a 2 year/$3.2m contract.

Morris($1.6m)
Lavine($19.5m)
Markkanen($5.3m)
Carter($5.3m)

That's a very strong core for extremely cheap with or without OPJ. I'd argue Morris brings this core pretty close to a top-4 finish in a weak East especially if Boston and Toronto have less than ideal offseasons.

But the best thing Morris brings to the table is cap flexibility. You could use this year's cap to buyout Felicio, become a serious playoff team and go into the 2020 offseason with space for 2 max contracts to entice AD and his buddy of choice.

I have a strong feeling that outside of Zion, just about every player top-5 in the 2019 draft will be worth significantly less than their draft slot for their entire rookie deals and possibly careers. Morant, Barrett, Reddish, and even Culver are all still extremely raw. I can definitely see Morris performing top 15-20 at his position with starter minutes and on his deal at 24 years old; I doubt there'd be a more valuable contract in the NBA.

I like Morris too, but $ won't work for Otto. I'd definitely look at a future protected 1st though.

Trade Porter ??? hell noooo

[PrimzyBulls81]

Reports are that the Mavs plan to go after Kemba hard in the off season. If they land him Dallas might be willing to part with Jalen Brunson for a 2nd rounder plus "cash considerations". Brunson is no superstar in the making, but he does a little of everything and is starting to come into his own. Averaging almost 8 a game in 19 minutes. Hitting 34.6% from "3". 2.7 assists per 19 minutes. The other day against Houston he went for 18 points, 7 rebounds, and 4 assists. I liked his game at Villanova. He'll be a on a cheap Rookie contract several more years. Good BB IQ. Not a turnover machine. Getting a guy like him frees up more money to use to improve our bench. As opposed to adding an older and very expensive vet like Wall or Conley.

I would love to get Brunson.. he is my kind of player!

[Davell]

Brunson's value has gone up, not down, since the time of the draft. You're not getting him for the same or less than what they gave up for him.

[sco]

Brunson's value has gone up, not down, since the time of the draft. You're not getting him for the same or less than what they gave up for him.

Brunson was a guy I just knew would be good in the NBA. Gritty and a clutch guy. To be fair though, Doncic makes his job easier.

[CoreyVillains]

I wonder how much Derrick will command. He's hard to price. He deserves more than the MLE. Maybe 10 a yr for 3yrs with the last yr being a team option? Or is that too low? I would make that offer at least and see what his agent says

With the rising cap, the MLE will be set at ~$9.1 mil next year.