The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[CjayC]

Yes, people have to temper their year one expectations. It's extremely rare for a 19 year old to come into the NBA and not struggle some. I expect Pat Will to take a couple of years to get to the point where he can play big minutes and really contribute. This first season it's likely he will struggle a bit with his 3 pt shot (even good shooters in college rarely come into the NBA and shoot high %R right off the bat). He will also take time to learn the Bulls offense and defensive schemes. Especially without a summer or a full camp to get acclimated. It is going to really tough for this year's rookie crop to get up to NBA speed.

I think the FO will feel a little pressure to develop him, especially this season when the Bulls could be out of the playoff race by midseason. If they are, I think they'll trade one or both of Otto and Lauri, and he'll get plenty of run. If they're in the playoff hunt, I agree, he'd play less.

Force feeding a young player minutes when they aren't ready can be more of a negative than positive. It can go both ways.

I will say this though, Billy has proven that he is great at handling young players and developing them, so I'll see how Pat is used his rookie season, but I'd be surprised if he goes beyond the 8-12 minutes per game mark - PLEASANTLY surprised.

Yeah you're right. As much as I'm not a fan of Hutchison as a player, it makes sense to not put too much on Williams' plate yet.

[Mindcrime]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/130v50aO4riHKGBQVZ1sRxHOWsSVKjCkjGdW6zaPXYCc/mobilebasic

Read the report. There is nothing mechanicaly that cannot be fixed. Seems like a better Tyrus gamble which reqires some balls and i like the fact that the new management is willing to walk the mile. That says a lot i really hated the passivnes of the old regime.

[Dez]

Just wondering if the immediate and toxic reaction to AK is simply a habit/character-trait of Bulls fans, that being to bitch and moan at anything and everything this team does. I guess that years of GarPax will do that. But I just don't dig the negativity. Been following this team since the Dick Motta days, and been through the ups and downs over the decades, so it's just kind of funny how some thought AK should turn a 22 win team into a champion in one draft and one free agency. Jeez, maybe let the team play a game or 20?

only one poster is doing that really. There are some skeptics but that is to be expected.

What you remain clueless about is you can like the player, but recognize the reach. I like Patrick as a nice, future core player. He certainly has that potential and fits a lot of the qualities that I like.

But he’s a poor use of a #4 pick, and where presumably they won’t be picking again anytime soon. This team is built to be middling at this point and are out of star chances unless they want to go the free agency route. But hey, now that we have the next Kawhi Leonard I guess I’m just overreacting.

Hang on, you were constantly throwing out scouts opinions/scouting reports in defense of LaMelo but when the shoe is on the other foot with Williams it's a reach and a poor use of a number 4 pick? Even though the Pistons were trying to trade up from 7 to get him and the Spurs wanted him until he started rocketing up the draft boards.

You can't call it a reach when the team at 7 wanted him and was trying to jump the Bulls to get him.

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[SfBull]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/130v50aO4riHKGBQVZ1sRxHOWsSVKjCkjGdW6zaPXYCc/mobilebasic

Read the report. There is nothing mechanicaly that cannot be fixed. Seems like a better Tyrus gamble which reqires some balls and i like the fact that the new management is willing to walk the mile. That says a lot i really hated the passivnes of the old regime.

Activeness is what I like about AK,he selected the player he considered BPA without fear of failure.So let PW develop and keep trusting the new regime.

[kulaz3000]

[CjayC]

Looks great in Red.

Thank you Based Deng!

[TheHrvReport]

I will be surprised if he is getting more than 20 MPG to start the season, but will be optimistic that he ends the season getting 26 MPG to end the season. It's gonna be his defense that gets him on the floor and his offense that gets him more than 20 MPG.

Agreed. 20 MPG seems likely unless Otto goes down again then he will likely get around 25 MPG. I just hope people curb their expectations on him as he is probably still 2 years away from being able to play starter minutes and being a net positive player.

I think you both are being overly optimistic.

20 MPG is roughly about the minutes that a first, second player off the bench gets. He is 19 years old, he is likely to get 10 minutes or less his rookie season, and I'm totally okay with that.

I don't think 20 MPG is overly optimistic. That's usually standard for a lottery pick and our team isn't as deep. Not to mention we have a lot of injury prone players. If you pick a guy at #4 you HAVE to see what you have in the player and the only way to do that is to get him some in-game reps. If we were a playoff team already I could see him riding the bench like Pop has historically done for most of his rookies but that just isn't the case for us.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I don't know if someone posted this as we have many pages here ( and I couldn't read it all as I wanted) but this game is a good showing about Patrick Williams

Watch on YouTube

I thought he looked bad on defense. He didn’t react to drivers when he was in position to make a play - shades of college Ayton there - and Elijah Hughes easily blew past him a couple times.

Just one game, obviously, but to me this clip highlights the concerns about his lateral quickness.

[aldama23]

https://youtu.be/GYVw8YnYTN0


I’m not sure if this was posted in here. If it was my bad. Rook looks real nice man! He giving my boy Nader that work lol I’m on his ass hahah

[StunnerKO]

[Mindcrime]

I don't know if someone posted this as we have many pages here ( and I couldn't read it all as I wanted) but this game is a good showing about Patrick Williams

Watch on YouTube

I thought he looked bad on defense. He didn’t react to drivers when he was in position to make a play - shades of college Ayton there - and Elijah Hughes easily blew past him a couple times.

Just one game, obviously, but to me this clip highlights the concerns about his lateral quickness.

It's footwork, mainly once his body weight is fixed (i mean them legs) he would be qicker and guards won't be able to blow by him that fast.

[JohnnyTapwater]

Deng is happening ...

We already got Gordon again in Coby.

Where is our Hinrich & Noah?

[Mindcrime]

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[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I don't know if someone posted this as we have many pages here ( and I couldn't read it all as I wanted) but this game is a good showing about Patrick Williams

Watch on YouTube

I thought he looked bad on defense. He didn’t react to drivers when he was in position to make a play - shades of college Ayton there - and Elijah Hughes easily blew past him a couple times.

Just one game, obviously, but to me this clip highlights the concerns about his lateral quickness.

It's footwork, mainly once his body weight is fixed (i mean them legs) he would be qicker and guards won't be able to blow by him that fast.

That’s the hope.

[Chi town]

Weird to see someone wearing 9.

[cjbulls]

only one poster is doing that really. There are some skeptics but that is to be expected.

What you remain clueless about is you can like the player, but recognize the reach. I like Patrick as a nice, future core player. He certainly has that potential and fits a lot of the qualities that I like.

But he’s a poor use of a #4 pick, and where presumably they won’t be picking again anytime soon. This team is built to be middling at this point and are out of star chances unless they want to go the free agency route. But hey, now that we have the next Kawhi Leonard I guess I’m just overreacting.

Hang on, you were constantly throwing out scouts opinions/scouting reports in defense of LaMelo but when the shoe is on the other foot with Williams it's a reach and a poor use of a number 4 pick? Even though the Pistons were trying to trade up from 7 to get him and the Spurs wanted him until he started rocketing up the draft boards.

You can't call it a reach when the team at 7 wanted him and was trying to jump the Bulls to get him.

So you admit it's a reasonable conclusion to say Detroit would have traded 7/16 for him?

I have never said scouts have Ball 1, so you should take him 1. But you can use their reports to evaluate issues. For example, when people say "Lamelo doesn't play defense", the scouting reports show he doesn't put forth consistent effort, but has the physical ability to do so. Or when you see Patrick Williams low production, you can hear about the FSU system and why it isn't that rare to have a good player get on 22mpg.

[Jeffster81]

Deng is happening ...

We already got Gordon again in Coby.

Where is our Hinrich & Noah?

Arch and Gafford perhaps?

[dice]

Yes, people have to temper their year one expectations. It's extremely rare for a 19 year old to come into the NBA and not struggle some. I expect Pat Will to take a couple of years to get to the point where he can play big minutes and really contribute. This first season it's likely he will struggle a bit with his 3 pt shot (even good shooters in college rarely come into the NBA and shoot high %R right off the bat). He will also take time to learn the Bulls offense and defensive schemes. Especially without a summer or a full camp to get acclimated. It is going to really tough for this year's rookie crop to get up to NBA speed.

I think the FO will feel a little pressure to develop him, especially this season when the Bulls could be out of the playoff race by midseason. If they are, I think they'll trade one or both of Otto and Lauri, and he'll get plenty of run. If they're in the playoff hunt, I agree, he'd play less.

Force feeding a young player minutes when they aren't ready can be more of a negative than positive. It can go both ways.

I will say this though, Billy has proven that he is great at handling young players and developing them, so I'll see how Pat is used his rookie season, but I'd be surprised if he goes beyond the 8-12 minutes per game mark - PLEASANTLY surprised.

this assumes that porter remains on the roster and is healthy. and that the team is competitive w/ williams having to earn his minutes competing w/ valentine and others. if there are roster changes or the team stinks/goes tank mode mid-season, williams might get a lot of developmental minutes

this is my first time logging on since the draft, so i have 2 questions that perhaps have been answered already:

1) how did a guy who was the #29 prospect coming out of HS shoot up to #4 based on a single college season in which he neither started nor showed anything special?

2) has an american prospect who didn't jump from HS and never started a college game ever gone this high in the draft?

[D_GoLow]

I hate the "home reds" I wish they'd go back to White jerseys at the UC.

I thought he looked better in #14.