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Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:46 pm
by panthermark
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2011.html

Drink it in boys!

1/14/2011......

Bulls are #1 in the league in DRtg....

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:48 pm
by Red Larrivee
Don't worry, some will still act like Boozer's individual D is holding us back.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:50 pm
by RonMercerMVP
Red Larrivee wrote:Don't worry, some will still act like Boozer's individual D is holding us back.

So that's a good reason to disregard his ineptitude on defense?

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:51 pm
by BeKuK
nice...!

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:53 pm
by panthermark
Red Larrivee wrote:Don't worry, some will still act like Boozer's individual D is holding us back.

Boozer's D probably will hold us back....when he finally returns from his hand injury....and assuming he "fits" in of course....

But we have to take the good with the bad....this also means that Bogans will continue to start...at least until AP18 gets here.

(Anthony Parker...#18)

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:53 pm
by Tetlak
And this is without Noah, and with Bogans getting playing time. Impressive

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:54 pm
by Red Larrivee
RonMercerMVP wrote:So that's a good reason to disregard his ineptitude on defense?


With his ineptitude we're the #1 defensive team in the league. So yes, I'd say it's a decent reason.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:54 pm
by deadstock_bM
Bulls win the chip this year.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:57 pm
by Chicago-Bull-E
Does this mean we'll start beating teams on the road? Wake me up when that happens.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:57 pm
by DanTown8587
RonMercerMVP wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:Don't worry, some will still act like Boozer's individual D is holding us back.

So that's a good reason to disregard his ineptitude on defense?


Much like the "BG started on a #1 defensive team", individual defense is highly overrated in the NBA. Any NBA team can withstand one bad defender as long as it's not the center. But to gloss over everything Boozer does well and harp on his defense seems counterproductive to having Carlos Boozer. I mean how many PF score like Boozer and also defend? It's a really short list. So yeah, I would rather have Boozer's offense over anyone's defense.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:58 pm
by RonMercerMVP
Red Larrivee wrote:
RonMercerMVP wrote:So that's a good reason to disregard his ineptitude on defense?


With his ineptitude we're the #1 defensive team in the league. So yes, I'd say it's a decent reason.

Despite it, not because of it.

"Hey guys, I think we should stop improving our defense, and filling in our holes, cause we're currently #1 defensively rated team in the league. That must mean we're gonna win a championship."

I'm sold.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:58 pm
by Ajosu
Maybe we can practice offense now.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:59 pm
by tcduke
its probably because of bogans' defensive energy

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:00 pm
by alucryts
Ajosu wrote:Maybe we can practice offense now.

:lol:

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:01 pm
by RonMercerMVP
DanTown8587 wrote:
RonMercerMVP wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:Don't worry, some will still act like Boozer's individual D is holding us back.

So that's a good reason to disregard his ineptitude on defense?


Much like the "BG started on a #1 defensive team", individual defense is highly overrated in the NBA. Any NBA team can withstand one bad defender as long as it's not the center. But to gloss over everything Boozer does well and harp on his defense seems counterproductive to having Carlos Boozer. I mean how many PF score like Boozer and also defend? It's a really short list. So yeah, I would rather have Boozer's offense over anyone's defense.

Likewise, but the PF spot is another big, and can be interchangeable at times with C. When you're a complete non-factor on D, it brings down your team, and while we are number one in DRtg, we could be even better. Once again, it's not good to disregard flaws just because you're doing well.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:01 pm
by Red Larrivee
RonMercerMVP wrote:Despite it, not because of it.

"Hey guys, I think we should stop improving our defense, and filling in our holes, cause we're currently #1 defensively rated team in the league. That must mean we're gonna win a championship."

I'm sold.


That's not what I implied or said at all.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:01 pm
by panthermark
It is very difficult to have 5 "plus" defenders.

But when Noah gets back, and with Rose's improvement.....we can have 4 "plus" defenders (assuming AP18 or Brewer starts) and Boozer....

When your "bad" defender is a 20/10/2, super effecint PF......you are doing OK.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:03 pm
by RonMercerMVP
Red Larrivee wrote:
RonMercerMVP wrote:Despite it, not because of it.

"Hey guys, I think we should stop improving our defense, and filling in our holes, cause we're currently #1 defensively rated team in the league. That must mean we're gonna win a championship."

I'm sold.


That's not what I implied or said at all.

You said we should disregard it because we're #1 defensively rated team in the league, I can bring up the quote if you'd like.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:03 pm
by Red Larrivee
RonMercerMVP wrote:Likewise, but the PF spot is another big, and can be interchangeable at times with C. When you're a complete non-factor on D, it brings down your team, and while we are number one in DRtg, we could be even better. Once again, it's not good to disregard flaws just because you're doing well.


Again, defense is a team game. Individual defense doesn't matter. Yes Boozer is bad on defense, but he does not bring us down.

RonMercerMVP wrote:You said we should disregard it because we're #1 defensively rated team in the league, I can bring up the quote if you'd like.


No where in my quote did I say we should stop improving the team or filling in holes. My point is that harping on Boozer's individual defense as if to imply we could be doing better defensively, is a moot argument. We are elite defensively. That is and always was the goal.

Rarely in the NBA do you have 5 players on the court who are all great individual defenders. That's not what you aim for. You aim to put 5 players on the court who buy into a defense, communicate and execute. That is what we've done and the numbers don't lie.

Re: Bull are ranked #1 in Defense!

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:06 pm
by ELCIDz
Red Larrivee wrote:Don't worry, some will still act like Boozer's individual D is holding us back.



People used to make the same arguments about BG. They weren't true then either. I will say that BG was a better defender in his lat year then Booz though.