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I ask this because one of those is the trio we have now and the other is the trio we would have had the last 2 seasons and going into this season going forward. I also think it is a classic example of the front office overvaluing and falling too much in love with its players and I would like to gauge if the fanbase (or at least the portion on realgm) does the same. IMO the "could have" lineup we would have had is extremely good. I feel Rose and Melo compliment each other fairly well given melo's strength as an outside shooter and being able to handle the rock on his own.

The only argument to the contrary is the garbage argument that both Rose and Melo are ball dominant and/or that Melo can't play off the ball. In the current NBA and seeing who the best teams are, I think the whole "ball dominant" argument is weak. I also contest Melo CAN play off the ball if needed and can be fed in the low post with his underrated post game, which he would likely be made to utilize being on the Bulls as opposed to the Knicks. Having two great offensive players, both known for excelling late in the game is something we have been dying for but for some reason people feel like they would rather not have it because they do not want to lose their beloved. Ending the game with the lineup of:

Rose
Butler
Melo
Taj
Asik

gives you devastating defense and high caliber scoring. Taj and Omer would lock down the paint. Butler would be available to shots and can take advantage of his mismatch while locking down the perimeter, and Rose and Melo would do their thing.

Another thing about this "could have" lineup is that not only would the strain on Rose be insanely low compared to now and in years past, but even if he WERE exhausted down the home stretch against the Heat, little 'ol LeBron would not be able to guard him unless they want Melo to destroy them.

I know there wil be some people underrating Melo and overrating Noah and Deng, but I think it is a shame the front office actually felt like they were better off not making the move at the time. Rose would be the lead dog and provide the leadership on the court so Melo wouldn't have to (which I know some would bring up). Melo would just be asked to play and do what he does. Unlike in NY where they asked him to do everything, including be the PG in the 4th quarter. Playing along side Rose and under the wing of Thibs would have resulted in more efficient shot attempts and more use of his post game.

Rose/Melo/Asik

Championship baby!

Rose/Deng/Noah. Melo doesn't make his teammates better (hello Amare Stoudemire) and doesn't defend. Omer remains an offensive liability.

first option is clearly the best. melo would become a completely different player with rose on the same team

There's no neither option..

Polynice4Pippen wrote:Rose/Deng/Noah. Melo doesn't make his teammates better (hello Amare Stoudemire) and doesn't defend. Omer remains an offensive liability.

We don't need him to " make his teammates better" Rose is the superstar PG. Outside of passing Omer isn't any less offensively challened than Noah. Melos offensive ability more than offsets the difference in offense between Noah ans Asik and his offense is way more of a game changer tha Deng's defense. I also think Melo is a better defender than he has shown, but he is asked to do so much offensively and his coaches also haven't really demanded it of him. Thibs would get the most out of him.

I just don't see how that lineup can be stopped down the stretch, which has been our achilles heel especially when Rose isn't superman.

It's always dangerous to use hindsight and information not available to the parties involved when the decisions were made.

A Rose-less Bulls team got as far as a Carmelo led team this past season.

Championship baby!

Superstars win championships

Rose/Melo/Asik

AJB wrote:A Rose-less Bulls team got as far as a Carmelo led team this past season.

Championship baby!

They won more games vs a team inferior to the team we lost to. also, that team finished way ahead in the standings. I also don't understand what that has to do with Melo and Rose being on the same team.

I'd honestly like to see a non-biased argument as to why the current trio is better. My prediction was right. The fans do overvalue their players like the front office does.

Chitownbulls wrote:Superstars win championships

Rose/Melo/Asik

That's true, but Carmelo is not a superstar. He is only a perennial all-star and prolific scorer.

JamesEarlCash wrote:

Polynice4Pippen wrote:Rose/Deng/Noah. Melo doesn't make his teammates better (hello Amare Stoudemire) and doesn't defend. Omer remains an offensive liability.

We don't need him to " make his teammates better" Rose is the superstar PG. Outside of passing Omer isn't any less offensively challened than Noah. Melos offensive ability more than offsets the difference in offense between Noah ans Asik and his offense is way more of a game changer tha Deng's defense. I also think Melo is a better defender than he has shown, but he is asked to do so much offensively and his coaches also haven't really demanded it of him. Thibs would get the most out of him.

I just don't see how that lineup can be stopped down the stretch, which has been our achilles heel especially when Rose isn't superman.

Melo doesn't have any offensive ability. He has "scoring" ability. That's all he does, he's great at it, though not efficient. Stoudemire was playing some of the best basketball of his career in NY until Melo came along. Lin was playing out of his mind until Melo came back from injury.

Noah does EVERYTHING better than Omer offensively. Passing, catching passes, ball handling, helping to break pressure defense by dribbling the ball and making the correct decision. Hitting the occasional tornado, the occasional lefty hook.

Melo only plays well with the ball in his hands. And it's not like he's LeBron or Wade where he drives, sucks the defense in, then finds the open man. He just shoots, all the time. He doesn't move without the ball like Wade does. He doesn't finish above the rim like LeBron and Durant do. Never was a fan of dealing Deng and Noah for Melo.

I would have to prefer a rose-deng-noah trio because I just dont think you can win a championship ever playing the way melo does. Melo is one of my favorite players because he is entertaining when he gets hot but good playoff teams just shrink the court on melo and let him go one on three most of the time. and it would be even more of a disaster because you can kind of zone off asik alittle bit because he not that great of a scoring option. I think people are going to be surprised about by how good this team will be next season.

I like the idea.... I've always said Melo is no good as a 1st option....

Rose wud be option 1 and Melo wud dominate as option 2....

Shuda, wuda, cuda, ..... Smh

Rose
Butler
Melo
Gibson
Asik

This team is head and shoulders better than Miami....

Combined Salaries:

Rose/Deng/Noah:
12/13: $41,007,500
13/14: $46,062,688
14/15: $31,062,876 (Deng expires)

Rose/Anthony/Asik:
12/13: $44,221,650
13/14: $47,689,277
14/15: $50,648,510

DRoseCantStop wrote:

Chitownbulls wrote:Superstars win championships

Rose/Melo/Asik

That's true, but Carmelo is not a superstar. He is only a perennial all-star and prolific scorer.

Asik is the superstar.

chadrucf wrote:Combined Salaries:

Rose/Deng/Noah:
12/13: $41,007,500
13/14: $46,062,688
14/15: $31,062,876 (Deng expires)

Rose/Anthony/Asik:
12/13: $44,221,650
13/14: $47,689,277
14/15: $50,648,510

u failed 2 add Boozer contract .... The totals are closer than u suggest.... And the lineup wit Melo in it makes bulls better team

Polynice4Pippen wrote:

JamesEarlCash wrote:

Polynice4Pippen wrote:Rose/Deng/Noah. Melo doesn't make his teammates better (hello Amare Stoudemire) and doesn't defend. Omer remains an offensive liability.

We don't need him to " make his teammates better" Rose is the superstar PG. Outside of passing Omer isn't any less offensively challened than Noah. Melos offensive ability more than offsets the difference in offense between Noah ans Asik and his offense is way more of a game changer tha Deng's defense. I also think Melo is a better defender than he has shown, but he is asked to do so much offensively and his coaches also haven't really demanded it of him. Thibs would get the most out of him.

I just don't see how that lineup can be stopped down the stretch, which has been our achilles heel especially when Rose isn't superman.

Melo doesn't have any offensive ability. He has "scoring" ability. That's all he does, he's great at it, though not efficient. Stoudemire was playing some of the best basketball of his career in NY until Melo came along. Lin was playing out of his mind until Melo came back from injury.

Noah does EVERYTHING better than Omer offensively. Passing, catching passes, ball handling, helping to break pressure defense by dribbling the ball and making the correct decision. Hitting the occasional tornado, the occasional lefty hook.

Melo only plays well with the ball in his hands. And it's not like he's LeBron or Wade where he drives, sucks the defense in, then finds the open man. He just shoots, all the time. He doesn't move without the ball like Wade does. He doesn't finish above the rim like LeBron and Durant do. Never was a fan of dealing Deng and Noah for Melo.

"scoring ability" and offensive ability are the same thing. Claiming they are something different to make Melo look like a worse player isn't convincing me. Amare's decline in play is clearly attributed to injuries. Lets be real. He also started of that year super hot. He wasn't going to maintain it. As for Lin, seriously? Lin was playing over his head and also got injured as the season went on.

If Noah is so much better than Asik at everything, Asik wouldn't have similar offensive numbers outside of assist. Noah also does those things out of necessity because the team lacks offensive talent. Bringing in Melo is supposed to not make the center so reliant on creating offense.

Melo can play off the ball. The main issue with his efficiency is his post game is highly underutilized. Anyone who has watched him play notices it is pretty good, he just rarely uses it. If he implemented more of that, his efficiency would go up. He is a top notch scorer who demands attention and who is also big-bodied with range from anywhere. He is EASILY a top 10 player and top 3 scorer. He is more of a game changer than noah and deng and we would have been able to keep asik.

Chitownbulls wrote:Superstars win championships

Rose/Melo/Asik

Yep, look how many Melo has won.

Bosco7414 wrote:I like the idea.... I've always said Melo is no good as a 1st option....

Rose wud be option 1 and Melo wud dominate as option 2....

Shuda, wuda, cuda, ..... Smh

Rose
Butler
Melo
Gibson
Asik

This team is head and shoulders better than Miami....

Yeah, no.

Rose > Chalmers
Butler < Wade
Anthony <<< LeBron
Gibson > Haslem
Asik < Bosh

Who's to say the Butler would have emerged with Carmelo on the team.

And seeing as Butler wasn't in the league when the trade was proposed, it's a moot point.