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*UPDATE* Deeks article: How to offer Melo $20M, keep Taj etc

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 3:47 am
by HINrichPolice
( EDIT 7/7/14: Full article by Mark Deeks here:
http://www.hoop365.com/nba/eastern-conf ... t-carmelo/ )

I've been begging Mark Deeks for a while now to write an article about this since I think it would garner a ton of hits from Bulls, Knicks, and other NBA fans.

He broke it down in the other Deeks thread. I figured it deserved its own thread.

This is how IT'S POSSIBLE to get
    - Melo at $20M
    - keep Taj and Butler
    - sign Mirotic

You can discuss changing details here and there, but the point is that IT'S POSSIBLE UNDER THE CBA. Don't listen to all of these journalists that continue to trot out the idea that Boozer is necessary for NY to take back or that getting Melo at $20M means no Mirotic. Just look below.


MarkDeeks wrote:To shut Hinrich Police up, do the following.

1) Trade the three unguaranteeds, Snell, Smith, a first and a signed-and-traded Hinrich (three year deal starting at $5,184,140) to New York, as well as Dunleavy to wherever the hell someone wants him, in exchange for Melo starting at an even $20 mil.

2) Amnesty Boozer.

3) Sign McDermott.

4) Spend the non-taxpayer MLE on Mirotic. Beg Augustin like hell to come back for cheap and maybe give him some of that MLE to do so. Convince Mirotic somehow this is in his best interest, too.

5) Sign Bairstow to a two year deal via the minimum salary exception

6) Blag the rest.

Going this route never actually goes under the cap at any point.


Rose/Butler/Melo/Taj/Noah

(insert point guard)/Snell/McDermott/Bairstow/Mirotic/Randolph/some other bench players ideally including a proper center and some shooting (Randolph could be included in the trade or added to a separate one, but he can't be aggregated and doesn't add to the trade math, so there's no real point)

TOTAL COST: About $78 million or so.


MarkDeeks wrote:Knicks can waive the unguaranteeds, pretty much dodge the tax, get a pick and two reasonable and cheap young backups, all as reward for overpaying Hinrich for a year. And given how much PJ and Fish will love Kirk, they probably won't even view it as that anyway.


MarkDeeks wrote:Note that using an amount of the non-taxpayer MLE larger than the taxpayer MLE will impose a hard cap at the apron line of circa $81 million. Should be able to stay under it but worth noting.




Having said all that, IMO, we'd need to include more picks to sweeten the deal. Also, I doubt Augustin and Mirotic split the MLE. REGARDLESS, this thread is to show that doing the following 3 things are possible: Sign Melo at $20M, keep Taj and Butler, and sign Mirotic.

With momentum gaining on the coldfish/dantown (yes, I'll credit BOTH of you!) speculation of Melo using LA as leverage to push Phil to do a S&T, I figured this was thread worthy.

EDIT: meant to say $20M instead of $20.5M.

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj, and sign Mirotic

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 3:53 am
by Polynice4Pippen
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Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj, and sign Mirotic

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 3:55 am
by SSSFreak
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Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj, and sign Mirotic

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 3:56 am
by WinCity
I'm going to cum...

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj, and sign Mirotic

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:03 am
by MalikJoakim24
WinCity wrote:I'm going to cum...

:rofl: wait until melo officially signs

#justwaitonit

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:11 am
by Michael Jackson
Mark Deeks sucks. I really really really miss that sham guy. He knew his stuff. Maybe it was sham69 I can't remember.

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:15 am
by kulaz3000
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Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:18 am
by musiqsoulchild
Is there another more desirable player we can do this with?

I dont think Phil finds Kirk desirable because of the salary allocated to Jose Calderon.

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:20 am
by Morrison71
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Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:21 am
by HINrichPolice
musiqsoulchild wrote:Is there another more desirable player we can do this with?

I dont think Phil finds Kirk desirable because of the salary allocated to Jose Calderon.


That's why I'm thinking we'd need to give up a few picks.

I'm also guessing we couldn't do this with Augustin, who's possibly more attractive to Phil, instead of Kirk... Could we?

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:23 am
by MarkDeeks
No Bird rights on Augustin.

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:25 am
by rifle13
Didn't he trade Snell and then have him back on the bench?

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:33 am
by BrooklynBulls
If Kirk gets traded AGAIN to bring in a big time FA, I say we nickname him the Boomerang. Because he is sure as **** coming back.

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:34 am
by BrooklynBulls
Also, thanks for doing this. Brilliant work, Mr. Dicks

Edit: although you trade Snell to NY and then have him as our backup 2 guard. But maybe he's in the backseat and we forgot he was there or something.

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:38 am
by MarkDeeks
Add Shannon Brown, then. Earns the minimum, wouldn't need aggregating. Whatever.

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:44 am
by SlikRik7
Can Hinrich be signed to a one year deal instead? Or can the second two years not be guaranteed?

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:50 am
by dice
so...it puts us in the tax in year ONE? yeah, that is not gonna happen

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:56 am
by RememberLu
when I see some of the amazing work fellow Real GM posters can do with the cap, and compare it to clueless national and local reporters who come up woefully short, I'm amazed that some of you aren't employed by some NBA team right now

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:57 am
by I beg to differ
Derrick didn't come to recruit Melo because he knew that Melo is already a Bull.

Re: It's possible: Melo @ $20M, keep Taj/Butler, & sign Miro

Posted: Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:57 am
by CalilLove89
BrooklynBulls wrote:Also, thanks for doing this. Brilliant work, Mr. Dicks

Edit: although you trade Snell to NY and then have him as our backup 2 guard. But maybe he's in the backseat and we forgot he was there or something.


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