Reality: this team is dysfunctioned from top to bottom

SimonFish · Post #1 » by **SimonFish** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 3:46 am

Remember when we were actually good at defence? Not when we only have one reliable perimeter defender (Butler) and the reigning DPOY playing out of position and out of shape.

Remember when we are supposed to improve our 3 point shooting a lot? Not when we only have three reliable 3 point shooters on the roster (MDJ, Brooks and Mirotic) - McDermott doesn't count because he sucks.

Remember when Gasol is supposed to add a lot of value to us as our "prized" free agent? Not when he is shooting at mediocre TS% and could not guard a chair.

Remember when we had a superstar PG? Not when he is chucking shots from everywhere on the court.

Remember when we had a elite coach? Not when he is playing Hinrich significant minutes, his players to the ground, does not have a proper offensive scheme, nor has a clue on his rotations.

Remember the term "if healthy"? No, this team is not getting past of the second round even if healthy with how the roster is constructed. Oh, and the team isn't gonna be healthy anyway.

Remember when we had a good FO? Not when it is not making any trades or efforts to improve a roster, picking 3 busts (Teague, Snell, McDermott) in 3 consecutive drafts, and build a dysfunction and injury-proned roster when Hinrich, Moore, Snell are your key bench guys.

This team is not gonna win a championship. The best chance was in 2011 when we had a superstar PG, a top 10 SF and an excellent bench. The ship has sailed.

We are in the NBA hell. RIP Chicago Bulls.

TheSuzerain · Post #2 » by **TheSuzerain** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 3:49 am

What time is it in Hong Kong?

SimonFish · Post #3 » by **SimonFish** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 3:50 am

TheSuzerain wrote:What time is it in Hong Kong?

11:49 am. Why?

amcfad27 · Post #4 » by **amcfad27** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 3:58 am

SimonFish wrote:
Remember when we are supposed to improve our 3 point shooting a lot? Not when we only have two reliable 3 point shooters on the roster (MDJ and Mirotic) - McDermott doesn't count because he sucks.

Aaron Brooks is 3rd in the league in 3 point % at 46%

SimonFish · Post #5 » by **SimonFish** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:02 am

amcfad27 wrote:
SimonFish wrote:
Remember when we are supposed to improve our 3 point shooting a lot? Not when we only have two reliable 3 point shooters on the roster (MDJ and Mirotic) - McDermott doesn't count because he sucks.

Aaron Brooks is 3rd in the league in 3 point % at 46%

My bad. Forgot about him. But my point still stands - three reliable 3 point shooting threat isn't gonna bring us far.

Post #6 » by **coldfish** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:08 am

It really does seem like there is something rotten in the Bulls locker room. The team just isn't into the games and I include Thibs in that. His body language and regular language just isn't what it used to be. He was making adjustments left and right for the first 6 weeks or so of the season and that basically stopped. It really seems like he has given up. For a guy like Thibodeau to give up, there has to be something really bad going on behind the scenes. I continue to be baffled that he continues with the iso offense.

Dajody10 · Post #7 » by **Dajody10** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:14 am

All Paxson and Forman. Always throwing the coach into the fire, which turns a team sour in a hurry. That's not even mentioning their complete inability to realize roster inefficiencies and make in-season moves accordingly. As I've been saying for months, this teams needs a roster jolt, just like Cleveland got from JR Smith, Iman Shumpert and Mozgov.

Sorry folks, Mike Dunleavy ins't turning this around. Time to be bold and make a real trade - something out of the box that pushes the envelope.

nitetrain8603 · Post #8 » by **nitetrain8603** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:19 am

By throwing Thibs under the bus, Paxson and Forman are basically giving leeway to the players to challenge everything he says. Gar really f'd up by firing Ron Adams because he was the buffer between Thibs and the players, especially Rose.

Post #9 » by **coldfish** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:21 am

Dajody10 wrote:All Paxson and Forman. Always throwing the coach into the fire, which turns a team sour in a hurry. That's not even mentioning their complete inability to realize roster inefficiencies and make in-season moves accordingly. As I've been saying for months, this teams needs a roster jolt, just like Cleveland got from JR Smith, Iman Shumpert and Mozgov.

Sorry folks, Mike Dunleavy ins't turning this around. Time to be bold and make a real trade - something out of the box that pushes the envelope.

Derrick Rose for expiring contracts?

bullboy18 · Post #10 » by **bullboy18** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:22 am

Pau ruined this team. Which means the front office ruined this team. Should have brought in Mirotic and then a vet like Speights or someone for a lot cheaper. Bringing in Pau took Tajs starting spot away which could have affected him. Pauthen comes in and says he wants to finish games, being a me first guy. Absolutely horrible at D. Boozer is a better defender than him.

Butler not going as hard on D, but I am ok with that because his offense is a huge step up. Rose being out 2 years. He isnt going hard on D at all and it gets annoying.

But everything goes back to Pau and the FO made a huge mistake signing him to 3 years.

amcfad27 · Post #11 » by **amcfad27** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:25 am

Taj has to be flipped for a wing. The sooner we swallow this pill, the easier it will go down...

Post #12 » by **RedBulls23** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:30 am

Mech Engineer · Post #13 » by **Mech Engineer** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:30 am

I think it is Pau who is the problem. Some reporter mentioned on the radio that Noah, Taj, Butler, Rose are all Thibs's guys and Pau is a nice guy. But, he has won before and is old...thus having his own way of approaching the season or games.

IMO, something with Pau and Thibs/ rest of the team is not right. He is not a cancer but something is not right if you hear all conversations.

Post #14 » by **RedBulls23** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:37 am

coldfish wrote:
Dajody10 wrote:All Paxson and Forman. Always throwing the coach into the fire, which turns a team sour in a hurry. That's not even mentioning their complete inability to realize roster inefficiencies and make in-season moves accordingly. As I've been saying for months, this teams needs a roster jolt, just like Cleveland got from JR Smith, Iman Shumpert and Mozgov.

Sorry folks, Mike Dunleavy ins't turning this around. Time to be bold and make a real trade - something out of the box that pushes the envelope.

Derrick Rose for expiring contracts?

Trading Rose for expiring would be a terrible move.

I think the friction with Thibs and the FO has pretty much spiraled out of control to the point it's affecting the locker room.

I'm starting to think that Thibs wants out and that is why he's stopped really coaching this team. The players feel/see it too and are giving an half hearted effort every night. Thibs has the feel of an employee who doesn't like his job or employer anymore and has lost passion for his current position.

As it stands now, I'll really wouldn't be surprised if Thibs is gone this off-season. Sure I could be wrong, but things just feel **** up.

Axl Rose · Post #15 » by **Axl Rose** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:52 am

Mech Engineer wrote:I think it is Pau who is the problem. Some reporter mentioned on the radio that Noah, Taj, Butler, Rose are all Thibs's guys and Pau is a nice guy. But, he has won before and is old...thus having his own way of approaching the season or games.

IMO, something with Pau and Thibs/ rest of the team is not right. He is not a cancer but something is not right if you hear all conversations.

trade Gasol for a 1st? or something else?

Taj said they arent trusting each other on defense months ago (its not hard to figure out who they aren't trusting)

so you may very well be on point that he could be the root of the problem

MetalFingaz · Post #16 » by **MetalFingaz** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 4:56 am

Is the entire team tanking to get the FO to make a move? Is Thibs tanking so he can get fired and go coach the Magic? Is Pau tanking so the Bulls get a better draft pick than the Lakers? Is Rose tanking because he misses Lu? Did Jimmy and Taj forget how to tank?

Post #17 » by **Rerisen** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 5:20 am

coldfish wrote:It really does seem like there is something rotten in the Bulls locker room. The team just isn't into the games and I include Thibs in that. His body language and regular language just isn't what it used to be. He was making adjustments left and right for the first 6 weeks or so of the season and that basically stopped. It really seems like he has given up. For a guy like Thibodeau to give up, there has to be something really bad going on behind the scenes. I continue to be baffled that he continues with the iso offense.

Maybe at this point Thibs actually wants out? But doesn't want to quit.

Is so sick of Gar and Pax's meddling, as well as sensing if not losing the team, at least they don't work like they used to, that he would prefer Gar just go ahead and sack him when we get bounced in the 2nd round, because he will have a better job in about 5 seconds.

Post #18 » by **Rerisen** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 5:23 am

Mech Engineer wrote:I think it is Pau who is the problem. Some reporter mentioned on the radio that Noah, Taj, Butler, Rose are all Thibs's guys and Pau is a nice guy. But, he has won before and is old...thus having his own way of approaching the season or games.

IMO, something with Pau and Thibs/ rest of the team is not right. He is not a cancer but something is not right if you hear all conversations.

I wonder if Thibs was even for signing Pau, when he was probably ready to start Noah and Taj, his favorite 4th quarter pair anyway, and Taj had been told at the end of last year, "go prepare to start."

But once Pau was signed on, that the FO pretty much imposed on Thibs again that this guy has to start, because he would have went elsewhere otherwise.

kodo · Post #19 » by **kodo** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 5:23 am

Mech Engineer wrote:I think it is Pau who is the problem. Some reporter mentioned on the radio that Noah, Taj, Butler, Rose are all Thibs's guys and Pau is a nice guy. But, he has won before and is old...thus having his own way of approaching the season or games.

IMO, something with Pau and Thibs/ rest of the team is not right. He is not a cancer but something is not right if you hear all conversations.

If youre talking about Cowley's report, and that's not the list he reported although that's what the board wants to believe.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/suntimes_hoops/status/556265517213032449[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/suntimes_hoops/status/556266197499785217[/tweet]

In the circle w/ Thibs: Taj, Butler, Gasol.

Outside of the circle: Rose, Noah

Mech Engineer · Post #20 » by **Mech Engineer** » Thu Feb 5, 2015 5:25 am

kodo wrote:
Mech Engineer wrote:I think it is Pau who is the problem. Some reporter mentioned on the radio that Noah, Taj, Butler, Rose are all Thibs's guys and Pau is a nice guy. But, he has won before and is old...thus having his own way of approaching the season or games.

IMO, something with Pau and Thibs/ rest of the team is not right. He is not a cancer but something is not right if you hear all conversations.

If youre talking about Cowley's report, and that's not the list he reported although that's what the board wants to believe.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/suntimes_hoops/status/556265517213032449[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/suntimes_hoops/status/556266197499785217[/tweet]

In the circle w/ Thibs: Taj, Butler, Gasol.

Outside of the circle: Rose, Noah

No...that's old news. It is something I heard today on ESPN.