Legit point gaurds/Potential Rose replacements.

patryk7754 · Post #1 » by **patryk7754** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:21 pm

I hate to make this thread but with Rose's third knee injury in as many seasons played it has to be discussed. I dont want to to sign someone to replace Rose right away but preferably a young up and comer that can step in and be a legit starter. One thing i had in mind was maybe trying to trade up with the 76ers by giving them our picks this year, Doug, and maybe future picks for a change to draft mudiay

Edit:
When i say replacement for rose i mean at the end of his contract. That would exclude guys like the dragon and ty lawson. Im looking for guys like Thomas MCW, or draft someone

Post #2 » by **Payt10** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:33 pm

Mudiay is going to be a top 3 pick. We're not getting him with any of our assets.

As far as replacements go, it'd be nice to have the cap space to go after Dragic right about now.

PaKii94 · Post #3 » by **PaKii94** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:03 pm

Use the sac pick+bulls picks+pick swap+taj to move up as high as you can, or see what the best PG is there for trade

musiqsoulchild · Post #4 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:06 pm

Dont know all the variables yet.

We should wait on this before we know Derrick's surgery status and post-op projections.

Post #5 » by **Rerisen** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:08 pm

We don't have the money or assets to get a superstar.

Maybe someone like Ty Lawson could be had.

19.5 PER, 16.4 pts/36, 9.8 Assists, .541 TS%

Makes 12.4 next year. Obviously would need to package a big.

kyrv · Post #6 » by **kyrv** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:11 pm

PaKii94 wrote:Use the sac pick+bulls picks+pick swap+taj to move up as high as you can, or see what the best PG is there for trade

Draft fever - catch it!!

This sounds like an awful strategy. Which they won't be doing.

kodo · Post #7 » by **kodo** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:14 pm

McDermott plus our low pick won't net a top 3 pick or anywhere close.

You'd have to trade Butler.

Let's look at the Goran Dragic trade. He's better than anyone on Chicago other than Jimmy, and the best Phoenix could get for him were Miami 1st round picks. Noah or Taj or McDermott aren't anywhere close to the value of Dragic.

Top draft picks are probably incredibly inflated in value right now, because so many teams are tanking (including the big two, NY & LA) and so many teams are trying collect multiple picks.

TheSuzerain · Post #8 » by **TheSuzerain** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:15 pm

Tyus Jones please.

nrockwaychicago · Post #9 » by **nrockwaychicago** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:15 pm

this is a little premature, don't you think?

kyrv · Post #10 » by **kyrv** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:17 pm

kodo wrote:McDermott plus our low pick won't net a top 3 pick or anywhere close.

You'd have to trade Butler.

Let's look at the Goran Dragic trade. He's better than anyone on Chicago other than Jimmy, and the best Phoenix could get for him were Miami 1st round picks. Noah or Taj or McDermott aren't anywhere close to the value of Dragic.

Top draft picks are probably incredibly inflated in value right now, because so many teams are tanking (including the big two, NY & LA) and so many teams are trying collect multiple picks.

I agree, and draft picks have always had much higher value than the average pick would warrant, and might even be worse now.

Also to the OP, fyi, Rose is under contract for two more years. There is no reason why he wouldn't be starting next season, from what we know today. So why are you replacing someone who won't be gone, with a rookie?

patryk7754 · Post #11 » by **patryk7754** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:21 pm

nrockwaychicago wrote:this is a little premature, don't you think?

No. Hes already had two season ending knee injuries and he potentially just had his third very serious one. Im not looking to replace him right now. This is just in case he Continues to get hurt. We need someone who can step up and keep us in contention even at rose gets hurt again.

TheSuzerain · Post #12 » by **TheSuzerain** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:21 pm

kyrv wrote:
kodo wrote:McDermott plus our low pick won't net a top 3 pick or anywhere close.

You'd have to trade Butler.

Let's look at the Goran Dragic trade. He's better than anyone on Chicago other than Jimmy, and the best Phoenix could get for him were Miami 1st round picks. Noah or Taj or McDermott aren't anywhere close to the value of Dragic.

Top draft picks are probably incredibly inflated in value right now, because so many teams are tanking (including the big two, NY & LA) and so many teams are trying collect multiple picks.

I agree, and draft picks have always had much higher value than the average pick would warrant, and might even be worse now.

Also to the OP, fyi, Rose is under contract for two more years. There is no reason why he wouldn't be starting next season, from what we know today. So why are you replacing someone who won't be gone, with a rookie?

Because we are about to have Kirk Hinrich be our starter.

That is more than enough reason to clamor for a new legit point guard on the roster.

PaKii94 · Post #13 » by **PaKii94** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:22 pm

kyrv wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:Use the sac pick+bulls picks+pick swap+taj to move up as high as you can, or see what the best PG is there for trade

Draft fever - catch it!!

This sounds like an awful strategy. Which they won't be doing.

lol what do you have in mind? I don't have draft fever but the PGs that would take us the next level are already maxed/gonna get maxed. We dont have that money. If Rose was healthy, I would have drafted a bigman

PaKii94 · Post #14 » by **PaKii94** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:23 pm

kyrv wrote:
kodo wrote:McDermott plus our low pick won't net a top 3 pick or anywhere close.

You'd have to trade Butler.

Let's look at the Goran Dragic trade. He's better than anyone on Chicago other than Jimmy, and the best Phoenix could get for him were Miami 1st round picks. Noah or Taj or McDermott aren't anywhere close to the value of Dragic.

Top draft picks are probably incredibly inflated in value right now, because so many teams are tanking (including the big two, NY & LA) and so many teams are trying collect multiple picks.

I agree, and draft picks have always had much higher value than the average pick would warrant, and might even be worse now.

Also to the OP, fyi, Rose is under contract for two more years. There is no reason why he wouldn't be starting next season, from what we know today. So why are you replacing someone who won't be gone, with a rookie?

when i mentioned getting a PG in the draft, it wasn't a replacement, it was a competent backup PG that can step up for rose for a bit for the next two years.

patryk7754 · Post #15 » by **patryk7754** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:25 pm

kyrv wrote:
kodo wrote:McDermott plus our low pick won't net a top 3 pick or anywhere close.

You'd have to trade Butler.

Let's look at the Goran Dragic trade. He's better than anyone on Chicago other than Jimmy, and the best Phoenix could get for him were Miami 1st round picks. Noah or Taj or McDermott aren't anywhere close to the value of Dragic.

Top draft picks are probably incredibly inflated in value right now, because so many teams are tanking (including the big two, NY & LA) and so many teams are trying collect multiple picks.

I agree, and draft picks have always had much higher value than the average pick would warrant, and might even be worse now.

Also to the OP, fyi, Rose is under contract for two more years. There is no reason why he wouldn't be starting next season, from what we know today. So why are you replacing someone who won't be gone, with a rookie?

I didn't mean immediate replacement. I meant if rose continues to get hurt up until his contract is done we need a legit guy who can come of the bench and start. Thats why i want a young guy who, if rose shows he can't stay healthy, replace him when his contract is over

patryk7754 · Post #16 » by **patryk7754** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:31 pm

My logic for being able to trade for Mudiay. Is that since he's playing over seas his value drops a bit (5-8) and a team like the 76ers, who like stacking picks together would trade for a guy like doug and multiple firsts. And may mudiay says he won't play for them

Chi town · Post #17 » by **Chi town** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:31 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Tyus Jones please.

We need to PGs really. One prospect for Thibs to develop which IMO will be fun to watch considering Jimmy and Snell.

I like Jones alot as he "gets it" as a PG and knows how to run a team and distribute.

I'd like to get Jones and a Lawson/Collison type. Probably more like a Collison because he is only 5m per.

Mech Engineer · Post #18 » by **Mech Engineer** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:34 pm

The best bet for success is the draft. Most teams have good PGs and the Bulls can get one. They are not spending 10+ million on headcases like Ty Lawson with Derrick's contract in the background.

They need a 2 way PG who can shoot a jumper. That is not only is helpful to the knees but critical for spacing.

Look at how Dallas is having problems with Rondo because of the lack of a jumpshot. You have to be careful falling in love with a big name but a wrong fit. Just because someone is a good distributor or good defender doesn’t mean much if it is a wrong fit.

patryk7754 · Post #19 » by **patryk7754** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:35 pm

As just a regular backup who we would keep for several years and not as our usual rental, id like to trade for jordan Clarkson

Post #20 » by **coldfish** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:40 pm

I thought about making a thread on this but if you look at the money, what the Bulls are going to do is clear as day. And let's be honest, its usually about the money with the Bulls.

If Chicago trades Gibson or Gasol for capspace, they have enough room under the tax barrier to spend the full MLE (or trade for a guy who makes around the MLE) and get their picks and give Butler the max and fill out the roster.

Basically, look for either a free agent PG who the Bulls can give the full MLE or look for a guy in trade who makes $5-6M or less.

2015/16
Rose $20M
Noah $13.4M
Gasol or Gibson ~$8M
Mirotic $5.5M
Hinrich $2.9M
McDermott $2.4M
Butler $16.5M
Snell $1.5M
Pick $1M
Bairstow 0.8M
3 vet mins $3M
$5M PG addition

Total = $80M

Lux tax projection = $81M
http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=304

MLE PG / Rose
Butler / Hinrich
Snell / McDermott
Gibson or Gasol / Mirotic
Noah
+ picks and vet mins