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I'm one of those who say that this has been a bad move by the FO. Without counting the recent injuries but looking at some of the performances throughout the year, it was obvious that this roster needed some tweaking. It's been painfully clear that the two bigs at the end of the bench had nothing of value to add and with both Taj and Noah suffering multiple ankle injuries a move should have been made. As for the wing position and guard position it was clear early on that Brooks was a SG in a PG body and clearly not a play maker. It was also painfully obvious that both Kirk and MDJ are too limited athletically to deal with the more athletic players of today. Every team listed as a possible Championship contender has made at least two signings to either upgrade or to make up for short periods of complacency. Now that Dallas has jumped out of the running for JMcGee, I think it's the Bulls turn to seriously consider signing him for at least the remainder of the season. You have to plan for the possibility that two of the bigs may continue the injury bug during the playoffs and you can't go in hoping Barstow or Naz can all of a sudden give you more than a quick flash in the pan moment. At the very least you know McGee will be a presence in the low post defensively if nothing else.

Are we talking mid-season because mid-season trades are historically unreliable and at the trade deadline there was no obvious move to make (everyone was healthy), almost every player who WOULD have helped would have cost at least a first round pick, and there was concern with making a move to make a move.

I get why the Bulls didn't make a deal and can't say it was the wrong move even though I wanted to trade Taj for AA in some sort of deal. But I was higher on Mirotic than most and I feel that Taj's trade value isn't anywhere close to where people on this forum genuinely believe it is.

errisal wrote:I'm one of those who say that this has been a bad move by the FO. Without counting the recent injuries but looking at some of the performances throughout the year, it was obvious that this roster needed some tweaking. It's been painfully clear that the two bigs at the end of the bench had nothing of value to add and with both Taj and Noah suffering multiple ankle injuries a move should have been made. As for the wing position and guard position it was clear early on that Brooks was a SG in a PG body and clearly not a play maker. It was also painfully obvious that both Kirk and MDJ are too limited athletically to deal with the more athletic players of today. Every team listed as a possible Championship contender has made at least two signings to either upgrade or to make up for short periods of complacency. Now that Dallas has jumped out of the running for JMcGee, I think it's the Bulls turn to seriously consider signing him for at least the remainder of the season. You have to plan for the possibility that two of the bigs may continue the injury bug during the playoffs and you can't go in hoping Barstow or Naz can all of a sudden give you more than a quick flash in the pan moment. At the very least you know McGee will be a presence in the low post defensively if nothing else.

Guess I missed all those moves that Golden State, Atlanta, Toronto, and San Antonio made.

DanTown8587 wrote:

errisal wrote:I'm one of those who say that this has been a bad move by the FO. Without counting the recent injuries but looking at some of the performances throughout the year, it was obvious that this roster needed some tweaking. It's been painfully clear that the two bigs at the end of the bench had nothing of value to add and with both Taj and Noah suffering multiple ankle injuries a move should have been made. As for the wing position and guard position it was clear early on that Brooks was a SG in a PG body and clearly not a play maker. It was also painfully obvious that both Kirk and MDJ are too limited athletically to deal with the more athletic players of today. Every team listed as a possible Championship contender has made at least two signings to either upgrade or to make up for short periods of complacency. Now that Dallas has jumped out of the running for JMcGee, I think it's the Bulls turn to seriously consider signing him for at least the remainder of the season. You have to plan for the possibility that two of the bigs may continue the injury bug during the playoffs and you can't go in hoping Barstow or Naz can all of a sudden give you more than a quick flash in the pan moment. At the very least you know McGee will be a presence in the low post defensively if nothing else.

Guess I missed all those moves that Golden State, Atlanta, Toronto, and San Antonio made.

I guess that show's how much attention you pay to the actual game. They too have had one or two 10-day contracts. I didn't say that the moves had to be permanent.

WE HAVE ENOUGH. /green

Mid-season trades get a lot of flack, but if you ask me, 9 times out of 10 the average contender benefits from them unless a true super-team is assembled at the start of the season (i.e. Jordan Bulls, Shaq Lakers, Garnett Celtics, Lebron Heat).

Kobe needed Pau... Detroit needed Rasheed...

And honestly, Cavs needed to shuffle their deck this year.

I'm not saying it cements your title, but you do everything possible to get closer. Hawks and Warriors *might* have benefitted from minor upgrades. Not saying they needed it, but hey, Afflalo or Wilson Chandler are around? How does Thabo and filler sound? Atleast try to get a bargain upgrade, don't just close the window and be like "nah I'm definitely feeling good."

Would've been nice to have another competent wing besides Snell. McDermott isn't ready, Niko is better at PF, Dunleavy and Kirk are struggling to keep up with 90% of the league (not looking forward to them at all in a 7-game series.... Oh man, that's gonna be rough unless we play the hobbled Bucks or the struggling Hornets).

Of course Bulls were banking on the 44 mpg plan for Jimmy once the playoffs hit, but I'll tell you right now... it ain't gonna work, especially coming off injury. For the record, Afflalo, Corey Brewer, Wilson Chandler, and arguably other guys were available.

I mean, I get it, the Bulls are interested in creating more minutes for Snell, McDermott, Mirotic... but ...... isn't that kind of throwing the 2015 playoff odds a little under the bus? They didn't know Rose and Jimmy would be out for 4-6 weeks when the deadline passed.... just saying. We could've used help. Instead the Bulls gambled on the possibility that Snell, Kirk, Dunleavy, Moore, McDermott round out the SG/SF rotation. I know that the future (McD) projects better, but RIGHT NOW, that is a GARBAGE SG/SF rotation. Jimmy isn't Michael Jordan, he's not gonna shoulder the entire load. Gotta give him max-quality to run with.

Kirk and Dunleavy are good for just about 1 great game each in aplayoff-series. Don't believe me? Check their playoff box scores. Not gonna link it, but go and browse. There's about one killer 50+ FG% game for every five in the low 20-30%s. And these old chaps are gonna be averaging 25 mpg in late April/May.... Snell is also not exactly a sure-bet. We've seen his confidence drift; I like his progress a lot (looking forward to another year of his off-season development), but we're talking about his readiness by next month.

But hey... I guess we're planning for a stronger run next season, right?

(Why do I feel like every year ever is a "developmental" year? Once Niko and McD develop, Pau, Rose and Noah will be past their prime, and then we'll be looking for 2018 free agency to replace them. )

DanTown8587 wrote:Are we talking mid-season because mid-season trades are historically unreliable and at the trade deadline there was no obvious move to make (everyone was healthy), almost every player who WOULD have helped would have cost at least a first round pick, and there was concern with making a move to make a move.

I get why the Bulls didn't make a deal and can't say it was the wrong move even though I wanted to trade Taj for AA in some sort of deal. But I was higher on Mirotic than most and I feel that Taj's trade value isn't anywhere close to where people on this forum genuinely believe it is.

How was Taj for Afflalo not an obvious move? Taj will be salary dumped in the off-season anyway. The FOs lack of willingness to make any sort of move is frustrating.

errisal wrote:

DanTown8587 wrote:

errisal wrote:I'm one of those who say that this has been a bad move by the FO. Without counting the recent injuries but looking at some of the performances throughout the year, it was obvious that this roster needed some tweaking. It's been painfully clear that the two bigs at the end of the bench had nothing of value to add and with both Taj and Noah suffering multiple ankle injuries a move should have been made. As for the wing position and guard position it was clear early on that Brooks was a SG in a PG body and clearly not a play maker. It was also painfully obvious that both Kirk and MDJ are too limited athletically to deal with the more athletic players of today. Every team listed as a possible Championship contender has made at least two signings to either upgrade or to make up for short periods of complacency. Now that Dallas has jumped out of the running for JMcGee, I think it's the Bulls turn to seriously consider signing him for at least the remainder of the season. You have to plan for the possibility that two of the bigs may continue the injury bug during the playoffs and you can't go in hoping Barstow or Naz can all of a sudden give you more than a quick flash in the pan moment. At the very least you know McGee will be a presence in the low post defensively if nothing else.

Guess I missed all those moves that Golden State, Atlanta, Toronto, and San Antonio made.

I guess that show's how much attention you pay to the actual game. They too have had one or two 10-day contracts. I didn't say that the moves had to be permanent.

What the **** does it matter that Golden State is rotating their back end of the roster? You really think there are guys on the street that Thibs would play or trust? Because he's NEVER done that except for DJ Augustin. The Bulls have 14 guys on the roster, I guess you can argue they should cut Bairstow but Gar loved him and I don't see him getting rid of him less than a year in.

TimRobbins wrote:

DanTown8587 wrote:Are we talking mid-season because mid-season trades are historically unreliable and at the trade deadline there was no obvious move to make (everyone was healthy), almost every player who WOULD have helped would have cost at least a first round pick, and there was concern with making a move to make a move.

I get why the Bulls didn't make a deal and can't say it was the wrong move even though I wanted to trade Taj for AA in some sort of deal. But I was higher on Mirotic than most and I feel that Taj's trade value isn't anywhere close to where people on this forum genuinely believe it is.

How was Taj for Afflalo not an obvious move? Taj will be salary dumped in the off-season anyway. The FOs lack of willingness to make any sort of move is frustrating.

Because it would have had to be a three way deal and I'm not sure who is trading expiring contracts + a first to get Taj Gibson. And there is no guarantee that the Bulls had that sort of deal on the table.

So wait your complaint and this thread boils down to us not signing a ten day contract guy at some point this season?

errisal wrote:I'm one of those who say that this has been a bad move by the FO. Without counting the recent injuries but looking at some of the performances throughout the year, it was obvious that this roster needed some tweaking. It's been painfully clear that the two bigs at the end of the bench had nothing of value to add and with both Taj and Noah suffering multiple ankle injuries a move should have been made. As for the wing position and guard position it was clear early on that Brooks was a SG in a PG body and clearly not a play maker. It was also painfully obvious that both Kirk and MDJ are too limited athletically to deal with the more athletic players of today. Every team listed as a possible Championship contender has made at least two signings to either upgrade or to make up for short periods of complacency. Now that Dallas has jumped out of the running for JMcGee, I think it's the Bulls turn to seriously consider signing him for at least the remainder of the season. You have to plan for the possibility that two of the bigs may continue the injury bug during the playoffs and you can't go in hoping Barstow or Naz can all of a sudden give you more than a quick flash in the pan moment. At the very least you know McGee will be a presence in the low post defensively if nothing else.

How did the Spurs adjust their roster?

The Spurs roster made the finals 2 years in a row and they're the reigning champions. Apples and crapples.

In a way i think this is a reflection of thibs.The balance seems so fragile that any new element seems to not have much chance of working.

I didn't expect anything, our FO hardly ever acquires a significant piece through trade and especially not mid-season.

You take the bad w/ the good, and our FO is great at drafting but pretty quiet on mid-season trades. I'm fine with it, they're sticking to their strengths. Maybe they're still in shellshock from Tyrus for LMA, but for whatever reason they're sticking to the draft as their way of bolstering the roster and it's been working for them.

Theres a lot of reasons for this i guess.

Make a move for making a move's sake. Sounds good.

TimRobbins wrote:How was Taj for Afflalo not an obvious move? Taj will be salary dumped in the off-season anyway. The FOs lack of willingness to make any sort of move is frustrating.

Obvious for the Bulls, but clearly not Denver. They wanted expiring's and 1st rounders.

Let's not rewrite history.

As for making moves, the team did that in the off season by turning over virtually half of the roster.

Pau, Brooks, Moore, Mirotic & McDermott are all new faces. You can count Derrick Rose there as well, as he virtually was new to basketball again.

Overhauling the roster at the deadline and moving guys wasn't going to improve our chances at a title. Of all the teams involved at the deadline, how many were contenders?

How many contenders have made big splashes this season to improve their chances?

Instead of always trying to make trades, why don't we focus on trying to get better internally like Golden State & Atlanta have?

S.O.S. Bulls don't make moves unless they're forced to do so at the deadline (Luol Deng). They love their roster and always think it's good to go.

Agreed, you don't make a move to make one. No one was trading for Taj's deal. What bothers me is there were NO reports or indications that Pax even tried to do anything. No trades, no 10-days, etc.

Mark K wrote:Obvious for the Bulls, but clearly not Denver. They wanted expiring's and 1st rounders.

Let's not rewrite history.

As for making moves, the team did that in the off season by turning over virtually half of the roster.

Pau, Brooks, Moore, Mirotic & McDermott are all new faces. You can count Derrick Rose there as well, as he virtually was new to basketball again.

Overhauling the roster at the deadline and moving guys wasn't going to improve our chances at a title. Of all the teams involved at the deadline, how many were contenders?

How many contenders have made big splashes this season to improve their chances?

Instead of always trying to make trades, why don't we focus on trying to get better internally like Golden State & Atlanta have?

And we couldn't send Taj to a 3rd team for a first rounder? We know Afflalo was available for scraps. There is no excuse for not getting him.

There are countless teams throughout history who made deadline trades that put them in contending status. From Detroit and the Rasheed Wallace trade to the Lakers/Gasol trade and even the Cavs with Mosgov/JR/Shumpert.

How do you get internal growth? Bring in a new coach like the Hawks/Warriors?

ADDinChicago wrote:S.O.S. Bulls don't make moves unless they're forced to do so at the deadline (Luol Deng). They love their roster and always think it's good to go.

Agreed, you don't make a move to make one. No one was trading for Taj's deal. What bothers me is there were NO reports or indications that Pax even tried to do anything. No trades, no 10-days, etc.

You rarely ever hear about actual Bulls deals being done until they're done. The Bulls FO has always been very secretive. This isn't something new.

And this is the 2nd time in this thread I've seen someone complain about not giving out a 10 day contract. Are we serious? The reason most players sign 10 day contracts is because they haven't proven good enough to warrant guaranteed money.

Who out there is even worth giving a 10 day contract? And if we give out that deal, chances are that the player won't be good enough to get off the bench. When we're healthy we have a hard enough time finding minutes for everyone as it is. Like it's already been stated, this is making a deal for the sake of making a deal. Doesn't have any impact on the team.