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Mark K wrote:The funny thing is people are crushing Nick for being overly negative about the Bulls but that's the tone of the national media in general when it comes to the Bulls.
Just because this board loves the new additions, doesn't mean it's right or others, like those in the media, can't disagree.
What did Friedell say or do yesterday that was so bad? I actually thought his question to Wade about the Bulls being his last stop was a good one.
MisterRoy wrote:Its been Nicks entire attitude since Wade committed to the Bulls. I just said that maybe its time for him to cover a new team if he is gonna be so negative.
Mark K wrote:MisterRoy wrote:Its been Nicks entire attitude since Wade committed to the Bulls. I just said that maybe its time for him to cover a new team if he is gonna be so negative.
If you want beat reporters to just be positive, you'll never be happy. Friedell isn't going to give up his beat just because this internet forums wants him to be positive.
Proven_Winner wrote:Friedell is like Bulls_Jay. I don't need or want a guy to report only good or negative. Friedell typically only gives his opinion that's usually negative. He'll say something like Jimmy is a good player but not good enough to be a leader.
That's the kind of writing he does. If you were just now following the Bulls you'd think friedell was a hater and didn't write for the Bulls. That's not good reporting. Good reporting is more like Kelly Scaletta where he argues for both sides and uses statistics and keeps an open mind. A
The Box Office wrote:I have no problems with Friedell. I appreciate his honesty. Until we start reaching the NBA Finals then we shouldn't be giving each other hand jobs for being positive arm chair quarterbacks.
kodo wrote:Friedell has at least been consistent.
He's been anti-Butler since the beginning, we're talking last December.
He was the first major guy to openly say Jimmy Butler simply isn't good enough, and if Butler isn't good enough shouldn't he be traded away so this team can lose 70 games a season and pray for picks. He really was very early on the "Trade Jimmy" train; he created that bandwagon.
From that perspective, seeing that the FO has done everything to cater to Jimmy (trading Rose, trading Noah, keeping Butler instead of getting the Boston or Minny pick, signing veterans Jimmy wanted on the team) this entire year has been opposite everything he wanted the Bulls to do, which is go Full Hinkie.
Axxo wrote:I'd have to say this is pretty objective reporting.
Proven_Winner wrote:I'm not getting this. Literally no one is asking him to be a Sam smith. Matter of fact a lot of people have said they don't even like smith because of his overly positive outlook. People want balance. They want the truth whether it be good or bad. They want opinions that are more open to discussions than statements that show that you really don't care about the other side of the argument.
Dominater wrote:Proven_Winner wrote:Friedell is like Bulls_Jay. I don't need or want a guy to report only good or negative. Friedell typically only gives his opinion that's usually negative. He'll say something like Jimmy is a good player but not good enough to be a leader.
That's the kind of writing he does. If you were just now following the Bulls you'd think friedell was a hater and didn't write for the Bulls. That's not good reporting. Good reporting is more like Kelly Scaletta where he argues for both sides and uses statistics and keeps an open mind. A
I think you mean not good enough to be a #1 on a championship team, which is how pretty much every NBA fan/executive/analyst feels. The reason why Butler wasn't traded on draft night is because nobody felt he was worth giving 2 prime assets for. Thibs, who knows Jimmy better than anybody, wouldn't even part with Dunn and Zach effing Lavine for him. Boston refused to give #3 plus next years Brooklyn, LAL refused to give #2 plus Russell, etc. If Jimmy was viewed as a TRUELY ELITE player in the class of Lebron/KD/Anthony Davis/Curry/Westbrook, then all those teams would have given up the 2 assets without batting an eye.
As for him being made about Rondo/Wade, he among many many others have been preaching that they need to blow it up and start fresh, and hes probably right. While these recent signings are feel-good for sure, they do indeed reek of the White Sox "lets throw a band-aid on a broken leg" philosophy. Instead of going all in on a youth movement they bring in 2 guys that are well past their primes. Wade can sugarcoat it all he wants, but the reality is that hes only even here because Riley didn't want him anymore.
People used to call him a Heat fan because he was always picking the Heat to take the East. Well, the Heat DID go on to take the East all 4 years Lebron was there. He calls it like he sees it and hes usually right.
Edit to add: For the record, I don't blame them at all for not dealing Butler because of the fact that nobody was willing to give 2 prime assets. They made the right call in not settling. But at the same time, even with Jimmy I wouldve liked to have seen a youth movement. Roll with Jimmy and the summer league big 3 (Valentine/Portis/Felecio), Niko, Doug, etc and see if that could develop into something because some of that potential in these guys is legit. I'm a bit torn too because the Wade thing is still feel good, but in all likelyhood it is just delaying the inevitable. Unlesss of course Wade plays a big role in getting a top notch free agent here.
the ultimates wrote:This is the last thing about Friedel and the national media take on this from me for awhile. If the Bulls should blow it up and rebuild then every team not named the Warriors, cavaliers or spurs should to right?
RememberLu wrote:the ultimates wrote:For me it's not about him being to positive, negative or being a team cheerleader. I haven't read or heard an original thought from him that isn't espn group think. I want objective rational analysis and coverage not cliff notes from what everyother talking head has already said.
What analysis are you expecting? The Bulls' ceiling is Lebron and it has been for 10 years. Every year its the same story. How many times can a man get burned trying to be positive before he learns his lesson and stops. There was reason for positivity in 2012 and again in 2014, Nick and many other sports writers both local and national were positive on the Bulls. They placed them as real contenders going to the ECF to face Lebron.
But that's over. Any objective analysis on this team is going to underwhelm Bulls homers.
Mark K wrote:Proven_Winner wrote:I'm not getting this. Literally no one is asking him to be a Sam smith. Matter of fact a lot of people have said they don't even like smith because of his overly positive outlook. People want balance. They want the truth whether it be good or bad. They want opinions that are more open to discussions than statements that show that you really don't care about the other side of the argument.
I think people see what they want to see. Realistically, how many here read everything Nick puts out? Is everything he writes negative? No, it's not. If in general, he has a negative tone about the Bulls, well, the organisation hasn't exactly been filled with many great things to report.
It's been constant stream of **** filled with off court dramas that dominated the story line. I don't think it's strange for anyone to have an overly negative tone so long as they're backing that up with logical thoughts. If it's just dumb tirades that aim for click bait, different story. I don't sense that from Friedell at all.
Now, if you want to have a discussion about his writing evoking any feeling at all, that's a different topic. But the tone of his writing, it's not an issue to me.
GYBE wrote:I don't think my behaviour changes at all when I'm drunk. But when I'm wasted, my girlfriend becomes a real klutz. She starts walking into doors and falling down stairs. Weird.
pb-ceo wrote:nick asked the best question. do you want to retire as a bull? It did not get a warm and fuzzy response...
