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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#561 » by GimmeDat » Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:45 am

There was a 'fix the Bulls' challenge on the trade board, worth checking out - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1606613&p=58164008#p58164008

I mentioned looking at Oubre a while ago, which people seemed to like. I also am intrigued by the suggestion of a Jabari trade as well (deal 9)

.. the Bulls send out Wade and RoLo for Jabari, Hawes (bought out), Henson, as well as Meyers Leonard, a 1st and a 2nd.

I'm sure opinions of Parker will vary, especially with his upcoming RFA status, but it's an exciting possibility. I like him and I think this would be a ballsy move worth considering.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#562 » by sco » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:25 pm

GimmeDat wrote:There was a 'fix the Bulls' challenge on the trade board, worth checking out - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1606613&p=58164008#p58164008


Thanks! Worth posting them here for easy reading:

Andre Roberstan wrote:Too many to do a poll. Post in the thread which number entry you're voting for.

Trade 1:
Lopez & Nwaba shipped off to CLE for Tavares, Shumpert & a 2nd
Wade sent to OKC for Kanter & Ferguson

Dunn / Grant / Payne
Lavine / Ferguson
Shumpert / Holiday / Valentine
Lauri / Portis / Felicio
Kanter / Tavares / Felicio

Bulls land 2 excellent prospects in Tavares and Ferguson and a 2nd rounder.

Worth noting that the entire roster listed above is age 25 or younger (aside from Shumpert & Holiday)

Move Holiday at the deadline & Shumpert next year.
Kanter can be resigned to a fair deal when his contract expires, he is talented just overpaid as of now.


Trade 2:
Looking at the trade block, Lopez is tough to move due to the center glut around the league. Valentine still has some long-term value to the team. The extra guards don't have much value staying or going.

That leaves Portis (and obviously Wade). With the market thinning out I think Mirotic can be signed to a team-friendly contract ($10-12M/yr). He's good, and is young enough to be a long-term keeper or have trade value later. But bringing back Mirotic, along with Markkenan means there's no room for Portis.

Trade 1:
Chicago trades: Wade + Nwabe to Denver for Beasley + Nelson + Faried

Denver does this to upgrade their backcourt. Wade can handle the ball enough to run the point in their starting lineup - given that Jokic really runs the offense. By PG standards he'll even upgrade their defense a bit. It really doesn't cost much as Beasley is largely blocked by other young guys and they clear Faried's last year. They still have Murray and Mudiay as reserve guards (and Nwabe for emergency depth).

Trade 2:
Chicago trades Portis to Toronto for OG Anunoby

Toronto does this becuase they're a bit thin at PF (especially if they're playing Ibaka at center a bunch), and Portis can help. He doesn't have the long-term upside of OG, but he's more of a sure thing and much more ready to be a rotation player for a good team

Chicago result:
Kris Dunn/Grant/Cameron Payne/(Ryan Arcidiacono 2-way)
Zach Lavine/Valentine/(Antonio Blakeney 2-way)
Justin Holiday/Beasley/OG Anunoby/Paul Zipser
Mirotic/Lauri Markkanen/Faried
Robin Lopez/Cristiano Felicio

Chicago waives Nelson for the roster spot if needed. Faried isn't really needed, just sits as emergency PF/C depth. OG may not play much early due to his injury but later in the year he could split time with Beasley (a bit undersized at SF) or even start. Holiday is very replaceable. It's not a lot more young talent (Chicago's 2018 1st is their most interesting player) but it's an upgrade to a weak position.


Trade 3:
Trade:
CHI trades:
Dwayne Wade

NO trades:
Solomon Hill
E'Twaun Moore
'19 first (top 3 protected)
Why?
New Orleans builds a formidable team to try to compete in the West, the 4 of Holiday, Wade, AD, and Boogie will be a hard one to stop. Chicago eats the salary of Solomon Hill while picking up a future first.


Trade 4:
Trade 1 (maybe needs to be 2 trades with a S&T):
Wizards Trade: Oubre Jr. + Mahinmi
Wizards Receive: Dieng + Grant

Wolves Trade: Dieng + Aldrich + 2018 OKC 1st
Wolves Receive: Lopez + Mirotic (2 year or 2+1 deal)

Bulls Trade: Lopez + Grant + Mirotic (S&T)
Bulls Receive: Mahinmi + Aldrich + Oubre Jr. + 2018 OKC 1st via Wolves

Wizards receive a long(er) term center option in Dieng who will push aging Gortat for PT. Wolves replace Dieng with 2 year contract Lopez (align contracts with Butler, Gibson, Teague) and get Mirotic to challenge Bjelica at stretch 4 (with spot SF minutes).

Bulls eat contracts to get a SF prospect in Oubre Jr. and another 1st rd pick.

Trade 2:
Lakers Trade: Deng + Zubac + Kuzma + Unprotected (next) 2nd Rounder (2018?)
Lakers Receive: Wade + Nwaba

Bulls Trade: Wade + Nwaba
Bulls Receive: Deng + Zubac + Kuzma + Unprotected 2nd Rounder

Lakers dump Deng contract and get expiring Wade to mentor their young team -- and be on roster (albeit would 2018 re-sign for exception) to recruit FA's in 2018 (LBJ and him still friends?).

Bulls eat another 2 years of Deng contract (3 minus 1 of Wade) for prospect Zubac at C and other rebuilding assets. Dang and Mahinmi come off contract right when cap space will be needed.

Bulls Roster:
C: Zubac | Mahinmi | Aldrich | (Portis too)
F: Markkanen | Portis | Fellcio | Kuzma
F: Oubre Jr. | Deng | Valentine-PT at SG too
G: LaVine | Holiday | Zipser-PT at SF too
G: Dunn | Payne | LaVine-maybe some PG PT with so many SG's on roster

Add Bulls own 2018 tank 1st to that list, plus OKC 2018 1st, and Bulls would have a nice stable of youth for a turnaround.


Trade 5:
OK this is for your Bulls trade. It assumes that Lebron can get what/who he wants in Cleveland at least for next year.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8d8zm2o

The Cavs take Wade and Cameron Payne from the Bulls
Cavs send Kyrie Irving to Denver
Denver sends Kenneth Faried and Wil Barton to the Bulls
Cavs send Channing Frye to the Bulls

It obviously gets irving out of CLE I think DEN was on of his teams and gives Lebron Wade to make a one time shot at a ring and then his contract is up. With Milsap signed DEN sure doesn't need Faried

The Bulls get Frye's expiring deal and maybe he can get some minutes at the 3, Faried is more of an inside player than Portis and Markkenen sure isn't, Barton joins the rotation off the bench at the 2. Everybody can see that it's 2017-18 and Wade needs rest and is likely to get injured so he's not going to bring great value back. So his biggest asset is helping make a bigger trade and getting the Bulls some potential rebuilding pieces.

Dunn Grant Valentine
Lavine Barton Nwaba
Lopez Felicio Portis
Valentine Holiday Frye Zipser
Portis Markkenen Faried Frye

While very few wing players stand out that's where the Bulls are at, they're rebuilding. They need to get everyone minutes early in the year and evaluate them and the second half the ones who step up will start and get more minutes the ones that don't can get traded for 2nd round picks at the deadline or just languish on the bench.


Trade 6:
Bulls out Wade and Lopez, Hoiday 41mill out
Bulls in Henson, Nance, Clarkson, Deng and bucks '18 top 10 prot 1st & LA 1st. 42 mill in
Bucks out Monroe & Henson ad Hawes 35 mill out
Bucks in Wade and Lopez 36 mill in
LA in Monroe, Hawes, Holiday 29 mill in
LA out Dieng, Nance and Clarkson and a first and two 2nds. 32mill out

Bulls get Nance and two firsts and two 2nds


Trade 7:
This is a good challenge...made me feel a little bit sorry for the Bulls as I looked into it to be honest.

I think they need like a four year rebuild strategy.
One interesting "asset" is the Butler trade exception (15.3) million. can't utilize it unless they are over the cap though so it probably goes unused.

The Lakers want to dump as much 2018-19 Salary as possible to be in play for multiple star like Free agents next year. somebody should take advantage of that and get some decent assets off them...why not the Bulls?

Wade (23.8) and Lopez(13.8, 14.3) for Deng(17.2, 18, 18.8), Clarkson (11.6, 12.5, 13.4), Randle (4.1, RFA), and 2020 Lakers unprotected pick and a lotto protected 2022 pick.

Lakers shed 14 million in 2019 salary, don't have to deal with RFA Randle and unite the Lopez Bros for the cost of Randle and a couple picks. Now they are serious players to build a team through FA to add to a young core of Ball, Ingram, Zubac and they have Robin Lopez on contract for nice depth up front. Is Wade interesting for them in the future?, maybe?

For the Bulls, they add Clarkson and Randle to Dunn, Levine, Markanen and roll out that unbalanced / young starting five and get themselves a top 5 pick and add two future picks.
No sense trading cheap relatively young guys like Portis et al. give them a little PT and a chance.

they need to make a choice on Randle, but I could see them getting him on a fair deal in RFA next season.


Trade 8:
Trade 1:

DWade to Lakers for Deng, Randle, 2020 LAL 1st unprotected

We know the Lakers offered this pick to move Deng or Mozgov already so no one can argue they wouldn't pay this price. We also know they got no takers so we add in the Randle/Wade swap which benefits the Bulls as they get a one year look at Randle. Lakers can't keep the cap hold of Randle anyway with their big summer 2018 plans plus they have other young cheaper PF under team control. Plus its a big name for Showtime. Yeah I know they signed KCP but this is for one year and they can work it out. Plus maybe Wade helps sell Lebron on how awesome playing with Ball and Ingram and for Walton really is.

Trade 2:

RoLo to Bucks for Henson, Hawes, 2018 MIL 1st (top 3 for 3 years then unprotected), 2018 MIL 2nd, 2020 MIL 2nd

Bucks upgrade at center while getting out of the Henson contract and by adding Hawes gain a roster spot and get out of the tax this year. And if they are as good as they think they are they give up very little value.


So the Bulls take back a couple bad contracts for Randle and the draft assets while clearing playing time for younger players plus ensure their own 1st in 2018 will be top 5 as this team is terrible. Deng provides ideal veteran leadership for what is now an extremely young and inexperienced team.

If Mirotic wants to play for the QO next year that's fine. Or we likely match any surprising late offer sheet. If he wants to go to Europe we are cool with that too.

I also am contacting Head Coaching candidates and if one I like will take the job now I'm firing The Mayor and letting him come in and start putting his system in place. Jeff Van Gundy would be my top choice, but its hard to see him wanting to take this job at this point so I turn to a guy with strong Bulls ties in Adrian Griffin and give him his first head coaching job


Trade 9:
Trade one:
Chicago sends Dwayne Wade, Robin Lopez
Chicago receives: Jabari Parker, Meyers Leonard, John Henson, Spencer Hawes (bought out), Portland 2018 first (top 20 protected, then turns into two 2nds), Milwaukee 2018 2nd

Milwaukee sends: John Henson, Jabari Parker, Mizra Teletovic, 2018 2nd
Milwaukee receives: Robin Lopez, Dwayne Wade

Portland sends: Meyers Leonard, 2018 1st (top 20 protected then turns into 2 2nds)
Portland receives: Mizra Teletovic

Why for Chicago? They get 2 big exprings for Wade and RoLo and get the hometown boy, Jabari Parker for taking on Henson. They likely buy out Hawes.
Why for Milwaukee? They use a first to upgrade center and back up SG. They could use Wade's play making also.
Why for Portland? They cut a year off of Leonard's deal and get an upgrade over him in Teletovic. It costs a very highly protected first which will likely become two 2nds though.

Trade 2:
Chicago sends: Valentine, Payne
Chicago receives: Okafur

Atlanta sends: 2019 2nd
Atlanta receives: Payne

Philly sends: Okafur
Philly receives: Valentine, Atlanta 2019 2nd

Why for Chicago? Gives them a young center that needs a change of scenery in the worst way. He'd be competing with John Henson and Meyers Leonard for playing time so it shouldn't be too bad.
Why for Atlanta? They get a backup point guard for the price of a 2nd.
Why for Philly? They get a young wing and a 2nd for their distraught big man.

End result:
Dunn/Grant/Arcidiacono(2 way deal)
Lavine/Nwaba/Blakeney(2 way deal)
Holiday/Zipser/Parker(Injured)
Markkanen/Portis/Leonard
Okafur/Felcio/Henson

Portland 2018 1st (top 20, then 2 2nds)
Milwaukee 2018 2nd


Trade 10:
So, first off to say I like the challengness of the challenge.

In my opinion Bulls are more or less set for the season as it is. Don't think some major moves are available, market for traditional bigs in general, and for RoLo in our case isn't particularly strong.

Don't see teams exactly giving up first for him at the moment. Besides, he is good vet on a young team that need that kind of presence. So if he is moved closer to the deadline when some team might have a clearer picture or a need due to injury might be more probable, and it shouldn't be a problem to keep him for Bulls too.

One possible outcome and destination could be the Bucks once Parker returns, and deal like:

Lopez for Teletovic, Hawes, 2018 1st

makes sense for both teams (Bucks are likely going to make PO, so no protection is needed basically, although it could be made into lotto protected 1st).

As for Wade, he is on bigger but expiring contract and as still productive offensive player with extra gear in Playoffs he could still be interesting to some teams. Lakers deal could be an option here, but I think Lakers are going to wait until summer before making any cap space related moves, and Portland already done theirs, and aren't looking to move anymore picks as it seems.

#2: CHI-OKC
Bulls: Kanter, Singler, Ferguson, Bulls 2018 2nd
Thunder: Wade, Grant

Wade replaces Kanter in 6th man role and Grant provides additional depth as solid backup 3&D guard, which even allows OKC to move Roberson at PF in some lineups. Thunder can sign some of the remaining big man FAs like Whitey to replace Kanter. Also, Grant carries some value which helps bridge it towards both Bulls 2018 2nd (31-35 pick most likely) and Ferguson, who is solid talent but won't be contributor at level OKC expects for at least two seasons. Other significant value this deal has for Thunder is that they clear out a lot of money for next summer when they will be needing the money.

Finally, these deals didn't do much for Bulls, but they hardly have assets valuable enough that someone gives real value for them directly, without Bulls taking on extra contracts. And I wouldn't take on just any contract since Bulls might look to use cap space as soon as summer of 2019.

As for Mirotic, if Lopez is indeed moved, I could live with him on QO, but would prefer if he agrees to QO being pulled, after being explained that he'd be 3rd stringer.

As for Bulls youth, not sure they hold much value, and are starting to grow together, so I'd prefer to keep it rolling that way.

In the end, let's say one of the Wade deals get done, Bulls would look something like this:

Dunn-LaVine-Holiday-Markkanen-Lopez
Payne-Valentine-Zipser-Portis-Felicio

(depending on deals made, some combo of Grant, Ferguson, Nelson, Arthur, Faried, Singler, Kanter) with 2018 Nuggets 1st or Bulls 2nd returned.

Hardly impressive but don't think Bulls have means to do much more.


Trade 11:
Priorities are moving Wade to a better situation, moving Lopez, and adding assets where possible.

Wade

The Bulls have little leverage here: Wade has a big, difficult-to-match contract, and is a buyout candidate if other teams hold fast. So they won't get a lot of value, but there are some things we can do here.

Bulls trade
Dwyane Wade

Bulls receive
Kenneth Faried
Jameer Nelson
Quincy Pondexter
two 2nd rounders from New Orleans

The Bulls set Wade free, and instead of paying him almost $24M for nothing, they spread that $24M over two years for a "bridge PF" who can start for the team while Markkanen develops. That's a much better use of funds, and they wouldn't be big players in FA next year anyway. Nelson is necessary for salary matching; they can buy him out or keep him as a vet presence. Two 2nd rounders make that a worthwhile use of space.

Nuggets trade
Kenneth Faried
Jameer Nelson
Will Barton

Nuggets receive
Dwyane Wade

The Nuggets finally make a consolidation trade! Wade is hardly in his prime, but he is still a star attraction and should help the team make that playoff push, even in the tough West. He makes part of a great 3-guard rotation with Murray and Harris, and can play off the ball when Jokic facilitates. It's possible he's just a rental but you could also argue that none of the outgoing players should be on Denver next year either. (All three are needed to match Wade's salary.)

Pelicans trade
Quincy Pondexter
two 2nd rounders

Pelicans receive
Will Barton

The Pelicans add a desperately-needed wing shooter; Pondexter's contribution going forward is questionable, so this is a reasonable price even for Barton's expiring contract.

Robin Lopez

Tough to move a guy like this in a saturated C market, but not impossible:

Bulls trade/Blazers receive
Robin Lopez
Jerian Grant

Blazers trade/Bulls receive
Meyers Leonard
Ed Davis
Shabazz Napier
2018 1st round pick, top-12 protected

The Bulls move Lopez and eat Meyers in exchange for a not-super-protected pick. Davis can provide some needed rebounding and be moved again at the deadline for more value.

The Blazers bring back a familiar face: a much-needed interior defender to cover for some admittedly weak perimeter defence. They shed the final year of Leonard's contract, and in adding a Napier-Grant swap get out of the luxury tax this year. To fill a huge need and save money short-term and long-term costs them a single pick.

Clear some bodies

Part of the challenge is to create playing time for recently acquired players. So here's a little "change of scenery" deal:

Bulls trade/Pistons receive
Bobby Portis
Cam Payne

Pistons trade/Bulls receive
Stanley Johnson

None of these players are working out where they are, so let's swap. The Pistons get a two-fer of young bodies, one at PF and one at PG. The Bulls get a one-fer in order to get a body at a position they actually need: SF.

Roster
Davis/Felicio/Leonard
Faried/Markkanen
S. Johnson/Zipser/Pondexter
Lavine/Valentine/Nwaba
Dunn/Napier/Nelson

With Nelson and Pondexter as expirings that can be kept or bought out. Also added: a Blazers' 1st rounder and two Pelicans' 2nds.


Trade 12:
Trade 1: Move Lopez. The obvious places are Milwaukee and Portland (redux), with an OKC/Houston possibility perhaps in a Melo deal.

But going outside of those boxes... Washington as a salary trimming and bench strengthening move.

Chicago out/Washington in: Lopez
Chicago in/Washington out: Mahinmi, Oubre, a reverse protected 1st, '22 2nd

Pick is 2018 1st protected 21-30, protection remains until 2023 when the pick is unprotected. Chicago gets to get a mid 1st the first year Washington stumbles, and potentially a better pick. And Oubre as an intriguing sf prospect who probably ends up starting even.

Trade 2: Wade for Deng, Randle, 2020 unprotected 1st... yes here I did take the obvious one.

Chicago out/LAL in: Wade
Chicago in/LAL out: Deng, Randle, 2020 unprotected 1st

Chicago gets a vet to help set a veteran presence... Okay, they get an unprotected pick and Randle's rfa rights. LAL gets clear books minus Clarkson, and they can pursue that deal later.

New depth chart
Kris Dunn/Jerian Grant/Cameron Payne/
Zach Lavine/Denzel Valentine/ David Nwaba/
Oubre/ Justin Holiday//Paul Zipser
Randle/Bobby Portis /Deng
Manhinmi/Lauri Markkanen/Cristiano Felicio

I'm showing Markkanen more at backup center, as I could see him playing with Randle who would take I am still listing as technically a pf who starts with Mahinmi. But Markkanen is going to get a mix of big man minutes and the chance to be a center mismatch.

Overall:
Oubre and Randle were added as prospects.
Washington reverse protected and LAL unprotected 1sts were added as future picks.
Deng and Mahinmi were added as bad contracts at a time when Chicago shouldn't be signing free agents anyway.

It is a really bad team, that shouldn't have its cornerstone yet. But they get to trial LaVine/Oubre/Randle to see who is worth keeping around on a second contract with hopefully a very high pick in '18 (and '19).
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#563 » by ATRAIN53 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:17 pm

These rumors of the Cavs/Knicks trading Kyrie for KP are hilarious when they mention CLE would have to take back salaries, notably Joakim Noah.

I would LOVE Kyrie IN NYC

but Noah in a Cleveland uniform, making 10x the salary of his teammate Derrick Rose, playing with LeBron would be the awesomeness. his face at the presser when the Cavs reporters ask him how he likes Cleveland now...... :oops:

Jo don't mince words, that would be must see tv. you can't dream this stuff up.

PLEASE let it happen :pray:
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#564 » by sco » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:26 pm

ATRAIN53 wrote:These rumors of the Cavs/Knicks trading Kyrie for KP are hilarious when they mention CLE would have to take back salaries, notably Joakim Noah.

I would LOVE Kyrie IN NYC

but Noah in a Cleveland uniform, making 10x the salary of his teammate Derrick Rose, playing with LeBron would be the awesomeness. his face at the presser when the Cavs reporters ask him how he likes Cleveland now...... :oops:

Jo don't mince words, that would be must see tv. you can't dream this stuff up.

PLEASE let it happen :pray:

I think it would be a big win for NY to get Jo off the books.

I know I'm in the minority, but KP for Kyrie would be a fair swap. I just think 7'3 guys don't have a long NBA effective career.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#565 » by GimmeDat » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:24 am

Rose, Jo and LeBron on the same Cleveland team? I think LBJ would start thinking it was an inside job.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#566 » by kodo » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:05 pm

That would be amazing...I wonder if we could petition Hinrich to come back out of retirement and vet min on that team.
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Post#567 » by sco » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:48 pm

Wonder if post Kyrie trade, if CLE would trade RoLo for Zizic, Felder and filler?
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Post#568 » by sco » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:08 pm

Or, what about trading Lavine to CLE for Nets pick?
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Post#569 » by NDave79 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:02 pm

I'm sure this has already been brought up, but I have to imagine the Celtics would love to add Lopez. I doubt we would get that much, but they seem like a potential suitor imo. Am happy to help the Celtics out if they can knock Lebron out of the playoffs next year.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#570 » by GimmeDat » Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:15 am

It's definitely worth looking in to trades with both Cleveland and Boston after this deal. Would love to try and get that Brooklyn pick but it's got much more value than we can offer.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#571 » by sco » Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:35 pm

GimmeDat wrote:It's definitely worth looking in to trades with both Cleveland and Boston after this deal. Would love to try and get that Brooklyn pick but it's got much more value than we can offer.

I wonder if Wade (bought out as part of deal), RoLo, Dunn and Lavine gets it done? Keeping LBJ around with proven talent is worth more than some kid who won't reach his potential for 3 years.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#572 » by Onibuh » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:01 am

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GimmeDat wrote:It's definitely worth looking in to trades with both Cleveland and Boston after this deal. Would love to try and get that Brooklyn pick but it's got much more value than we can offer.

I wonder if Wade (bought out as part of deal), RoLo, Dunn and Lavine gets it done? Keeping LBJ around with proven talent is worth more than some kid who won't reach his potential for 3 years.

all of the named Players for the BKN pick? That's really bad and doesn't help in any way.
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Post#573 » by sco » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:02 pm

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GimmeDat wrote:It's definitely worth looking in to trades with both Cleveland and Boston after this deal. Would love to try and get that Brooklyn pick but it's got much more value than we can offer.

I wonder if Wade (bought out as part of deal), RoLo, Dunn and Lavine gets it done? Keeping LBJ around with proven talent is worth more than some kid who won't reach his potential for 3 years.

all of the named Players for the BKN pick? That's really bad and doesn't help in any way.

It helps in 2 ways: 1) It gets us more losses this year and 2) It turns Dunn and Lavine into a top 5 pick (saving face for FO on JB trade)

If we want to trade Wade, what about Wade to OKC for Kanter (bad contract for 2 years), Abrines (filler, but only 24) and Ferguson (this year's 1st rounder)?
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#574 » by League Circles » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:04 pm

Unless we get something of real value for Wade which won't happen IMO, I'd rather keep him on the chance that his contract can help us in trade later this season.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#575 » by Onibuh » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:18 am

sco wrote:
Onibuh wrote:
sco wrote:I wonder if Wade (bought out as part of deal), RoLo, Dunn and Lavine gets it done? Keeping LBJ around with proven talent is worth more than some kid who won't reach his potential for 3 years.

all of the named Players for the BKN pick? That's really bad and doesn't help in any way.

It helps in 2 ways: 1) It gets us more losses this year and 2) It turns Dunn and Lavine into a top 5 pick (saving face for FO on JB trade)

If we want to trade Wade, what about Wade to OKC for Kanter (bad contract for 2 years), Abrines (filler, but only 24) and Ferguson (this year's 1st rounder)?

that BKN pick is not guaranteed to end up as Top 5 pick and Dunn + Lavine were that range. Picks are overrated. Bulls have their own BKN pick already with their 1st. Bulls 1st is equally to the BKN pick. If we don't hit on both picks, it would be a disaster and waste of time.

Keep Dunn and see if he can improve his game, Keep Lavine and hope he Comes back as he left and just Play out the Season with a mid Season RoLo trade to a contender in Need.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#576 » by sco » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:50 pm

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Onibuh wrote:all of the named Players for the BKN pick? That's really bad and doesn't help in any way.

It helps in 2 ways: 1) It gets us more losses this year and 2) It turns Dunn and Lavine into a top 5 pick (saving face for FO on JB trade)

If we want to trade Wade, what about Wade to OKC for Kanter (bad contract for 2 years), Abrines (filler, but only 24) and Ferguson (this year's 1st rounder)?

that BKN pick is not guaranteed to end up as Top 5 pick and Dunn + Lavine were that range. Picks are overrated. Bulls have their own BKN pick already with their 1st. Bulls 1st is equally to the BKN pick. If we don't hit on both picks, it would be a disaster and waste of time.

Keep Dunn and see if he can improve his game, Keep Lavine and hope he Comes back as he left and just Play out the Season with a mid Season RoLo trade to a contender in Need.

I agree that it's a comparison of probable outcomes, but I disagree about the notion that where Lavine and Dunn have any bearing on their current value. My mantra is "find 1 top 5 talent and 1 perennial allstar talent before you pull out of the tank". As such, I see the chance of the BK pick of being one of those 2 guys greater than Dunn and Lavine, but I can see how you might disagree.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#577 » by sco » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:10 pm

While we're on the Knicks, I saw this:

The Lead wrote:According to a report by Peter Vecsey, Hornacek rode Porzingis hard last season and their feud culminated in explosive fashion. Willy Hernangomez is Porzingis’ best friend on the team, and at one point, Hornacek reportedly cornered the Spanish big man and told him to tell Porzingis to “stop playing like a pu**y.” That led Porzingis to skip out on his exit interview and basically shut down any relationship with his head coach.


First, kudos to Hornacek for not coddling the kid. But if things go wrong (pretend the Knicks wouldn't just fire JH) maybe we could offer up a package for KP? I do wonder if a KP/Lauri pairing ("Twin Ivory Towers") might be one of those hard to counter moves, non-copycat moves that could put us in contention?

Would Dunn plus our 1st get it done?
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#578 » by Dan Z » Mon Sep 4, 2017 5:54 pm

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First, kudos to Hornacek for not coddling the kid. But if things go wrong (pretend the Knicks wouldn't just fire JH) maybe we could offer up a package for KP? I do wonder if a KP/Lauri pairing ("Twin Ivory Towers") might be one of those hard to counter moves, non-copycat moves that could put us in contention?

Would Dunn plus our 1st get it done?[/quote]

I'd like to get Porzingis, but I don't think the Knicks would trade him for Dunn and our pick. I'm not sure that The Bulls have enough to get him.
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What about trading with CLE? 

Post#579 » by ChettheJet » Mon Sep 4, 2017 8:27 pm

It's not great but maybe it helps both sides

Trade Wade, Portis and their 2018 1st round pick

for

Kevin Love, Iman Shumpert and the Brooklyn 2018 pick


Cleveland sheds a couple of years of a big salary, gets an expiring Wade to try and win this year, a young PF to come off the bench and probably move down 6-10 spots in the 1st round so they can still rebuild if James leaves

Bulls get a solid if expensive PF/C who they could keep for a year, year and a half then trade, the same goes for Shumpert, and move up probably 6-10 spots in the 1st round. They can ease Markkanen into the lineup, they could trade Lopez at some point as Felicio and Makkranen make progress.
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Re: What about trading with CLE? 

Post#580 » by Wingy » Mon Sep 4, 2017 8:54 pm

ChettheJet wrote:It's not great but maybe it helps both sides

Trade Wade, Portis and their 2018 1st round pick

for

Kevin Love, Iman Shumpert and the Brooklyn 2018 pick


Cleveland sheds a couple of years of a big salary, gets an expiring Wade to try and win this year, a young PF to come off the bench and probably move down 6-10 spots in the 1st round so they can still rebuild if James leaves

Bulls get a solid if expensive PF/C who they could keep for a year, year and a half then trade, the same goes for Shumpert, and move up probably 6-10 spots in the 1st round. They can ease Markkanen into the lineup, they could trade Lopez at some point as Felicio and Makkranen make progress.


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