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Lauri Markkanen - Magic Markkanen Edition #2

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Re: Lauri Markkanen - Magic Markkanen Edition #2 

Post#1081 » by rowseyna » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:49 pm

erlim wrote:So

Grant/Holiday/Zipser/Lauri/Rolo

Man I'm getting 1999 Bulls vibes.

Anyway, Lauri has the keys to the car with LaVine out. Good luck young blood.

I'm guessing if Portis is out for 3 games or so, he will just hop in and Lauri will have to earn his minutes. I mean, whenever Portis gets back he's de facto starter---in a good basketball culture Portis would have to earn it back from Lauri, but under Fred and GarPax I'm not so sure. What does Doug Collins think about all this I wonder?


I bet they have Zipser backup Lauri at PF now. I bet it'll be Grant/Holiday/Lauri/RoLo and either Valentine or Nwaba starting.
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Re: Lauri Markkanen - Magic Markkanen Edition #2 

Post#1082 » by TallDude » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:01 pm

mlitney01 wrote:I don't want to see Lauri getting 30+ minutes per game. He's a rookie, its a long season, and I don't want him to hit that rookie wall too hard. Also, he was looking a little winded after heavy minutes in SL play. I'd like for him to get a feel for the NBA game without getting burnt out.


I totally agree!
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Post#1083 » by sco » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:40 pm

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mlitney01 wrote:I don't want to see Lauri getting 30+ minutes per game. He's a rookie, its a long season, and I don't want him to hit that rookie wall too hard. Also, he was looking a little winded after heavy minutes in SL play. I'd like for him to get a feel for the NBA game without getting burnt out.


I totally agree!

I'll say I am fine with 30mpg, but no more. He strikes me as a guy who work-up to that level. I am focused on getting him enough minutes to develop, but not so many as to suffer some type of fatigue-driven injury.
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Re: Lauri Markkanen - Magic Markkanen Edition #2 

Post#1084 » by Chi town » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:00 pm

TallDude wrote:
mlitney01 wrote:I don't want to see Lauri getting 30+ minutes per game. He's a rookie, its a long season, and I don't want him to hit that rookie wall too hard. Also, he was looking a little winded after heavy minutes in SL play. I'd like for him to get a feel for the NBA game without getting burnt out.


I totally agree!


It's going to happen. My issue isn't rookie wall or coddling him. I say toss him into the fire and see what he's got.

I just don't want those back spasms being an issue all year. I'd like to see 24mpg and then grow it up to 30 if his play is worth it.


If Lauri goes down with back spasms in teh first couple games then we are really screwed.
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Post#1085 » by Jcool0 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:46 pm

30+ minutes should be nothing for him. If its a problem that is not a good sign.
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Post#1086 » by kulaz3000 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:47 am

I'm probably going to miss this game, but I have a feeling that Lauri is going to lead the team in scoring against the Raptors. I have a hunch he is going to have a solid first game.

With the way he played in the Euro tournament, in light of the Bobby and Niko situation, it wouldn't shock me if Fred eventually decides to just stick with Lauri as the starter the entire season. I think he will have his ups and downs, but I think he will get into a nice consistent groove by his 8th game, and by then, it will be too late for either Bobby or Niko to reclaim the starting power forward spot.
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Re: Lauri Markkanen - Magic Markkanen Edition #2 

Post#1087 » by Jcool0 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:48 pm

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Post#1088 » by Dankoz » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:29 pm

Yes let's do it Lauri!
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Post#1089 » by rowseyna » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:35 pm

Jcool0 wrote:30+ minutes should be nothing for him. If its a problem that is not a good sign.


Why do you say that. Not a single rookie played even 29 MPG last year. 30 MPG for any rookie is a big deal. The first NBA season is almost always a problem for rookies. It's ridiculous to think he wouldn't need pacing and patience.
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Post#1090 » by Jcool0 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:50 pm

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Jcool0 wrote:30+ minutes should be nothing for him. If its a problem that is not a good sign.


Why do you say that. Not a single rookie played even 29 MPG last year. 30 MPG for any rookie is a big deal. The first NBA season is almost always a problem for rookies. It's ridiculous to think he wouldn't need pacing and patience.


That was a BAD rookie class last year. Only 3 drafted players averaged over 10 ppg, Buddy Hield was at 10.7 ppg, Ben Simmons at 18 ppg (but only played in one game) & Rookie of the Year Malcolm Brogdon at 10.3 ppg.

2015 class had Karl-Anthony Towns at 32 MPG, Kristaps Porzingis at 28.4 MPG, Justise Winslow at 28.6 MPG, D'Angelo Russell at 28.2 MPG, Emmanuel Mudiay at 30.4 MPG & Jahlil Okafor 30 MPG.

In 2014 Andrew Wiggins was at 36.2 MPG as a 19 year old rookie & Jabari Parker was at 29.5 MPG before his injury.
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Post#1091 » by rowseyna » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:54 pm

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Jcool0 wrote:30+ minutes should be nothing for him. If its a problem that is not a good sign.


Why do you say that. Not a single rookie played even 29 MPG last year. 30 MPG for any rookie is a big deal. The first NBA season is almost always a problem for rookies. It's ridiculous to think he wouldn't need pacing and patience.


That was a BAD rookie class last year. Only 3 drafted players averaged over 10 ppg, Buddy Hield was at 10.7 ppg, Ben Simmons at 18 ppg (but only played in one game) & Rookie of the Year Malcolm Brogdon at 10.3 ppg.

2015 class had Karl-Anthony Towns at 32 MPG, Kristaps Porzingis at 28.4 MPG, Justise Winslow at 28.6 MPG, D'Angelo Russell at 28.2 MPG, Emmanuel Mudiay at 30.4 MPG & Jahlil Okafor 30 MPG.


So the bad class had no rookies over 29 MPG and the good class had a whopping three...? That's the backing of your argument. That still demonstrates my point... 30 MPG for a rookie is a big deal and most all need pacing and patience.
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Post#1092 » by Jcool0 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:01 pm

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Why do you say that. Not a single rookie played even 29 MPG last year. 30 MPG for any rookie is a big deal. The first NBA season is almost always a problem for rookies. It's ridiculous to think he wouldn't need pacing and patience.


That was a BAD rookie class last year. Only 3 drafted players averaged over 10 ppg, Buddy Hield was at 10.7 ppg, Ben Simmons at 18 ppg (but only played in one game) & Rookie of the Year Malcolm Brogdon at 10.3 ppg.

2015 class had Karl-Anthony Towns at 32 MPG, Kristaps Porzingis at 28.4 MPG, Justise Winslow at 28.6 MPG, D'Angelo Russell at 28.2 MPG, Emmanuel Mudiay at 30.4 MPG & Jahlil Okafor 30 MPG.


So the bad class had no rookies over 29 MPG and the good class had a whopping three...? That's the backing of your argument. That still demonstrates my point... 30 MPG for a rookie is a big deal and most all need pacing and patience.


I listed six that played close to 30 MPG. Not sure 2 minutes negates the fact that rookies can play high minutes.
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Re: Lauri Markkanen - Magic Markkanen Edition #2 

Post#1093 » by rowseyna » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:09 pm

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Jcool0 wrote:
That was a BAD rookie class last year. Only 3 drafted players averaged over 10 ppg, Buddy Hield was at 10.7 ppg, Ben Simmons at 18 ppg (but only played in one game) & Rookie of the Year Malcolm Brogdon at 10.3 ppg.

2015 class had Karl-Anthony Towns at 32 MPG, Kristaps Porzingis at 28.4 MPG, Justise Winslow at 28.6 MPG, D'Angelo Russell at 28.2 MPG, Emmanuel Mudiay at 30.4 MPG & Jahlil Okafor 30 MPG.


So the bad class had no rookies over 29 MPG and the good class had a whopping three...? That's the backing of your argument. That still demonstrates my point... 30 MPG for a rookie is a big deal and most all need pacing and patience.


I listed six that played close to 30 MPG. Not sure 2 minutes negates the fact that rookies can play high minutes.


Well, over 82 games that'd be 164 minutes... or 3.4 additional entire games. So yeah, it makes a difference. Besides, to have this discussion, we have to draw the line somewhere. We were talking about him playing 30 MPG... not 28 MPG. How do we define "close to" 30 MPG? How do we define "high minutes"? I mean, if 28's as good as 30, and 28 is still "high minutes," is 26 still "high minutes"? How about 24? See what I'm saying? In the grand scheme of things, for a rotation player like Lauri were talking like between 18 and 36 MPG, so every couple of minutes is a fairly substantial difference.

Also, this started with you saying 30 MPG should be "nothing" for him and if that's too much, then that's a problem. Clearly 30 MPG isn't "nothing" for any rookie as it's so very rare for a rookie to see that amount of PT. It could be that 30 MPG is just simply too much for most rookies...
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Re: Lauri Markkanen - Magic Markkanen Edition #2 

Post#1094 » by MagicMarkkanen » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:39 pm

Staying out of foul trouble for 30mpg would be a big deal, especially early on. I’m not saying that Lauri would be prone to drawing fouls but the speed of full blown NBA game seems to always surprise rookies.

Lets hope Lauri can keep his hands out of the cookie jar and we get to see anywhere near 30mpg.
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Post#1095 » by Dankoz » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:41 pm

Bobby P & Niko will be really butthurt if Lauri plays 30 MPG.
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Post#1097 » by Habs72 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:49 pm

Dankoz wrote:Bobby P & Niko will be really butthurt if Lauri plays 30 MPG.


I SO hope so.
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Post#1098 » by sco » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:50 pm

Rookie minutes for most (not tanking) teams are limited because they are prioritizing winning over development. Tanking teams should optimize on development without appearing to be trying to lose. Obviously, it's one thing if a rookie lacks the endurance to play (healthy) for 30 MPG (which is a real concern with bigs), but losing time due to mistakes (other than "coaching moments") should be avoided.
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Re: Lauri Markkanen - Magic Markkanen Edition #2 

Post#1099 » by Jcool0 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:50 pm

Dankoz wrote:Bobby P & Niko will be really butthurt if Lauri plays 30 MPG.


I just hope Fred communicates better this time so Bobby doesn't break Lauri's face in practice...
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Re: Lauri Markkanen - Magic Markkanen Edition #2 

Post#1100 » by FriedRise » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:55 pm

Jcool0 wrote:I just hope Fred communicates better this time so Bobby doesn't break Lauri's face in practice...


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