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"Gar will be our GM as we rebuild this thing and that will not change." "Gar doesn't get enough credit". Still pushing the Derrick Rose knee narrative as to why they still suck at their jobs 5 years later. This is from John Paxson on 670 the score right now.

Listening to his latest media tour of excuses makes me sick. When he started a rant on how Gar Forman doesn't get enough credit I almost had to pull over to gather myself. In no other profession can any of us suck so bad at a job and keep that job longer than Gar has and we're supposed to pity him?

Gar doesn't get enough credit for what? lmao

And that small quote is a perfect representation of why I will not watch another game with these to clowns calling the shots.

Hearing Pax say that absolutely confirms my mental imagine of how the FO works

Gar must have pictures of Pax nailing Reinsdorf's wife or something.

By absolutely no objective measure is Gar anything other than average at his job. The EOY award he received from his peers may tip him to slightly above average if anything.

I agree he's somewhat easy to dislike, and I don't think he brings anything special to the table, but I don't believe most GMs around the league do, or can, either.

They can't keep riding the Rose excuse. The problem isn't just winning championships. The problem is that we aren't ever close enough to winning one because of roster construction. I don't mean FAs either they just make a lot of meh or bad trades and that has nothing to do with rose's knees.

Proven_Winner wrote:They can't keep riding the Rose excuse. The problem isn't just winning championships. The problem is that we aren't ever close enough to winning one because of roster construction. I don't mean FAs either they just make a lot of meh or bad trades and that has nothing to do with rose's knees.

bad trades, bad drafts, I have a hard time thinking of anything Gar "doesn't get enough credit for"

credit implies you're doing something right

Pax is part of the problem. There's a nepotistic feel to the way this FO operates. The hires are always from within the Bulls (or Ames, IA) family. If you're in that inner circle you're a made man. The only guy recently who wasn't got fired with Thibs, and I'd argue he's more respected around the league than any of the current Bulls FO.

Did any of the hosts ask him who's accountable then for the failed draft picks, idiotic trades and questionable coaching decisions over the last 5 years? If Gar is so underrated, that must mean someone else is responsible for these terrible moves?

League Circles wrote:By absolutely no objective measure is Gar anything other than average at his job. The EOY award he received from his peers may tip him to slightly above average if anything.

I agree he's somewhat easy to dislike, and I don't think he brings anything special to the table, but I don't believe most GMs around the league do, or can, either.

Thibs won Coach of the year award he is gone. Derrick won an MVP award he is gone. Noah won a DPOY award he is gone. Screw Gar's 2011 EOY award, at this point 6 year's later he is damaged goods and should be gone like he thought all the other award winners he cut ties with were at the time.

I heard the one on MVP. Nothing much in there, just felt like the last 2 days everyone was defending Gar and reminding us Collins isn't taking his or Freds' job.

I loved when they asked him "Shot or No shot D Wade is on this roster when the season starts".....

Johns laugh was a great tell. No they don't want him back but they are not going to pay him 24 mil to go away. Clearly that is where Wades agent started the negotiations and they are trying to work him down - but have no leverage.

I wonder if Doug was brought in to handle this?
They don't have a past like GarPax does, maybe Wade has some respect for Collins?

It's ridiculous that they signed wade and 1 year later they badly want him to go away

Pax is a clown, he could literally poll RealGm Bulls forum for roster decisions and it would work out better than the decisions they actually make

ATRAIN53 wrote:I heard the one on MVP. Nothing much in there, just felt like the last 2 days everyone was defending Gar and reminding us Collins isn't taking his or Freds' job.

I love Kap but he is friends with all these guys including Pax so his interviews are never very hard hitting.

I'm not a fan of the FO, but I'm not surprised that Paxson said that about Gar. Gar is his co-worker...you expect him to say something negative?

Proven_Winner wrote:They can't keep riding the Rose excuse. The problem isn't just winning championships. The problem is that we aren't ever close enough to winning one because of roster construction. I don't mean FAs either they just make a lot of meh or bad trades and that has nothing to do with rose's knees.

They **** up only on one major asset getting Doug McDermott. That player should have been Zach LaVine.

ChiCityHoops34 wrote:

League Circles wrote:By absolutely no objective measure is Gar anything other than average at his job. The EOY award he received from his peers may tip him to slightly above average if anything.

I agree he's somewhat easy to dislike, and I don't think he brings anything special to the table, but I don't believe most GMs around the league do, or can, either.

Thibs won Coach of the year award he is gone. Derrick won an MVP award he is gone. Noah won a DPOY award he is gone. Screw Gar's 2011 EOY award, at this point 6 year's later he is damaged goods and should be gone like he thought all the other award winners he cut ties with were at the time.

I'm not arguing for him to stay, but it's just objectively false to treat his tenure as horrible or him sucking at it IMO.

Hangtime84 wrote:

Proven_Winner wrote:They can't keep riding the Rose excuse. The problem isn't just winning championships. The problem is that we aren't ever close enough to winning one because of roster construction. I don't mean FAs either they just make a lot of meh or bad trades and that has nothing to do with rose's knees.

They **** up only on one major asset getting Doug McDermott. That player should have been Zach LaVine.

Or keeping the picks (Jusuf Nurkic and Gary Harris). Had The Bulls done either of those moves I think Butler would still be on the roster (and we never sign Wade).

That trade set the team back, which is one reason why they're starting all over at the moment.

RememberLu wrote:It's ridiculous that they signed wade and 1 year later they badly want him to go away

Pax is a clown, he could literally poll RealGm Bulls forum for roster decisions and it would work out better than the decisions they actually make

No, he literally couldn't. What board have you been reading?

Dan Z wrote:

Hangtime84 wrote:

Proven_Winner wrote:They can't keep riding the Rose excuse. The problem isn't just winning championships. The problem is that we aren't ever close enough to winning one because of roster construction. I don't mean FAs either they just make a lot of meh or bad trades and that has nothing to do with rose's knees.

They **** up only on one major asset getting Doug McDermott. That player should have been Zach LaVine.

Or keeping the picks (Jusuf Nurkic and Gary Harris). Had The Bulls done either of those moves I think Butler would still be on the roster (and we never sign Wade).

That trade set the team back, which is one reason why they're starting all over at the moment.

Exactly...their re-tool chance passed them.

There's other arguments you could say like draft Gobert or Deing when they had the chance. Or listening to Ron Adams and drafted Draymond Green.

But honestly at least 20+ teams passed on those players.

Stratmaster wrote:

RememberLu wrote:It's ridiculous that they signed wade and 1 year later they badly want him to go away

Pax is a clown, he could literally poll RealGm Bulls forum for roster decisions and it would work out better than the decisions they actually make

No, he literally couldn't. What board have you been reading?

If he had polled me I would've told him not to sign Wade or Rondo and to start the tank a year+ ago

*shrug* I don't know what the rest of you are saying, I don't listen to the FO apologists on here who were saying we need to sign veterans and try to compete. Those people were wrong, wrong, WRONG, WROOOONG. They were wrong.

Hangtime84 wrote:

Dan Z wrote:

Hangtime84 wrote:
They **** up only on one major asset getting Doug McDermott. That player should have been Zach LaVine.

Or keeping the picks (Jusuf Nurkic and Gary Harris). Had The Bulls done either of those moves I think Butler would still be on the roster (and we never sign Wade).

That trade set the team back, which is one reason why they're starting all over at the moment.

Exactly...their re-tool chance passed them.

There's other arguments you could say like draft Gobert or Deing when they had the chance. Or listening to Ron Adams and drafted Draymond Green.

But honestly at least 20+ teams passed on those players.

I could give the Bulls a pass on Green if they didn't bring him in or showed no interest. I believe he was brought in twice and a respected Asst. coach was advocating for him to be picked. Instead, they select a kid they never worked out because he simply dropped in the draft.

There were a glut of quality centers available when the Bulls were picking in the late teens. Dieng filled a lot of the boxes and would have made a great impact. If you watch Gobert's tape you could have saw his crazy athletic ability. Couple that w/ his height to me made him a no brainer. A no brainer especially since we had Noah and could develop Gobert.

Watching the Snell tape it just screamed mediocre. Nothing I ever saw from his college videos ever wowed me. He was simply....alright.