Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[TheSuzerain]

Is Doncic really better than #7 AND #14 ?

Oh yes

[Rafael122]

Wiz fan, I come in peace. Using the Howard to BKN template, how about:

Ian Mahinmi/2nd round picks/cash for Felicio?

Reasoning: Wiz get out from the tax. For Chicago, in Summer of 2020, between estimated salaries and cap holds (ignoring Zipser, Asik and Kilpatrick), I'm guessing Chicago's total salaries will be around $48 million with a projected 2020 cap of $114 million. That's almost $66 million in cap room with guys like Anthony Davis, Draymond Green, Andre Drummond, DDR being free agents. Truth be told, you don't really need to move Felicio since you'll have enough cap room as is but your only guaranteed contracts at that point would be your 2018 and 2019 draft picks and Lauri.

Thoughts?

[RedBulls23]

Wiz fan, I come in peace. Using the Howard to BKN template, how about:

Ian Mahinmi/2nd round picks/cash for Felicio?

Reasoning: Wiz get out from the tax. For Chicago, in Summer of 2020, between estimated salaries and cap holds (ignoring Zipser, Asik and Kilpatrick), I'm guessing Chicago's total salaries will be around $48 million with a projected 2020 cap of $114 million. That's almost $66 million in cap room with guys like Anthony Davis, Draymond Green, Andre Drummond, DDR being free agents. Truth be told, you don't really need to move Felicio since you'll have enough cap room as is but your only guaranteed contracts at that point would be your 2018 and 2019 draft picks and Lauri.

Thoughts?

I'd do it.

I wish Gar/Pax would listen to me.

[aramada]

Wiz fan, I come in peace. Using the Howard to BKN template, how about:

Ian Mahinmi/2nd round picks/cash for Felicio?

Reasoning: Wiz get out from the tax. For Chicago, in Summer of 2020, between estimated salaries and cap holds (ignoring Zipser, Asik and Kilpatrick), I'm guessing Chicago's total salaries will be around $48 million with a projected 2020 cap of $114 million. That's almost $66 million in cap room with guys like Anthony Davis, Draymond Green, Andre Drummond, DDR being free agents. Truth be told, you don't really need to move Felicio since you'll have enough cap room as is but your only guaranteed contracts at that point would be your 2018 and 2019 draft picks and Lauri.

Thoughts?

I think the Bulls do it after the draft if they aren't able to use their 18-19 space to go up from #22 or add another first. While this Dwight trade gives an element of value for large expirings on teams close to tax, it also removes one salary relief provider. That means it might require more assets going forward.

[Rafael122]

Wiz fan, I come in peace. Using the Howard to BKN template, how about:

Ian Mahinmi/2nd round picks/cash for Felicio?

Reasoning: Wiz get out from the tax. For Chicago, in Summer of 2020, between estimated salaries and cap holds (ignoring Zipser, Asik and Kilpatrick), I'm guessing Chicago's total salaries will be around $48 million with a projected 2020 cap of $114 million. That's almost $66 million in cap room with guys like Anthony Davis, Draymond Green, Andre Drummond, DDR being free agents. Truth be told, you don't really need to move Felicio since you'll have enough cap room as is but your only guaranteed contracts at that point would be your 2018 and 2019 draft picks and Lauri.

Thoughts?

I'd do it.

I wish Gar/Pax would listen to me.

I also forgot AD is a Chi-town kid. At that point max salaries are probably starting at $40 million anyway, so maybe the extra $6 million they can shave off would be helpful.

[NewEra21]

Wiz fan, I come in peace. Using the Howard to BKN template, how about:

Ian Mahinmi/2nd round picks/cash for Felicio?

Reasoning: Wiz get out from the tax. For Chicago, in Summer of 2020, between estimated salaries and cap holds (ignoring Zipser, Asik and Kilpatrick), I'm guessing Chicago's total salaries will be around $48 million with a projected 2020 cap of $114 million. That's almost $66 million in cap room with guys like Anthony Davis, Draymond Green, Andre Drummond, DDR being free agents. Truth be told, you don't really need to move Felicio since you'll have enough cap room as is but your only guaranteed contracts at that point would be your 2018 and 2019 draft picks and Lauri.

Thoughts?

I'd do it.

I wish Gar/Pax would listen to me.

I also forgot AD is a Chi-town kid. At that point max salaries are probably starting at $40 million anyway, so maybe the extra $6 million they can shave off would be helpful.

I would as well, but front office would never go for it. They're not in the business of receiving 2nd rounders, only giving them away.

[ChettheJet]

Wiz fan, I come in peace. Using the Howard to BKN template, how about:

Ian Mahinmi/2nd round picks/cash for Felicio?

Reasoning: Wiz get out from the tax. For Chicago, in Summer of 2020, between estimated salaries and cap holds (ignoring Zipser, Asik and Kilpatrick), I'm guessing Chicago's total salaries will be around $48 million with a projected 2020 cap of $114 million. That's almost $66 million in cap room with guys like Anthony Davis, Draymond Green, Andre Drummond, DDR being free agents. Truth be told, you don't really need to move Felicio since you'll have enough cap room as is but your only guaranteed contracts at that point would be your 2018 and 2019 draft picks and Lauri.

Thoughts?

It is reasonable after seeing the Howard trade. I'd do that because they take on Mahinmi's big contract but subtracting Felicio knocks down the hit they take. It answers one of my criticsms of most trades that send Mahinmi or other centers to the Bulls, it gets rid of a center they have to keep them at 3 at that position, not counting Portis. Second reason is they get one or more second round picks which they have traded away or wasted in the past.

The other reason to do it is it doesn't include any picks so they could still make other deals to move up or down. Getting a guy who could start at the 5 actually puts Lopez in the mix for trades which hasn't been the case much up until now. To me he'd be a good guy for CLE to get, if Lebron stays he'd be a natural center to start moving Love to the 4 and better then Thompson and be a solid role player if Lebron leaves then he's good for one year and comes off the books as they rebuild.

[ChettheJet]

Here's where I saw this

http://bleacherreport.com/nba-rumors

Chicago Bulls Receive: SG Iman Shumpert, No. 2
Sacramento Kings Receive: PF/C Bobby Portis, No. 7, No. 22

Of course my first offer would be to maybe include Valentine rather than #22 because we're helping SAC cut salary and giving them a useful player but I'd still do it and not try to get greedy adding others


Taking Doncic.

Resign Vonleh.


Markkanen Vonleh
Doncic Holiday Schumpert
Lopez Vonleh Felicio Asik
LaVine Valentine Kilpatrick
Dunn Payne Grant


After the draft I'd be looking to see who ends up being released, looking for a better backup PG and an extra backup 4. But I could live with that roster

[Betta Bulleavit]

Is Doncic really better than #7 AND #14 ?

Oh yes

You have a lot of company in that belief. But I am just not sold. And I've tried to sell myself on the idea that you give up any and everything to get Doncic and every time that I try I it leads me back to the realization that he just isn't worth what most people seem to think that he is. Not a knock on him personally because very few players are worth it like that. Davis, Lebron, KD, Giannis maybe. Those are the kind of players that I think about when I think about betting the farm. Does anyone here see Doncic ever being that type of an impact player?

[Lauri_Legend]

Here's where I saw this

http://bleacherreport.com/nba-rumors

Chicago Bulls Receive: SG Iman Shumpert, No. 2
Sacramento Kings Receive: PF/C Bobby Portis, No. 7, No. 22

Of course my first offer would be to maybe include Valentine rather than #22 because we're helping SAC cut salary and giving them a useful player but I'd still do it and not try to get greedy adding others


Taking Doncic.

Resign Vonleh.


Markkanen Vonleh
Doncic Holiday Schumpert
Lopez Vonleh Felicio Asik
LaVine Valentine Kilpatrick
Dunn Payne Grant


After the draft I'd be looking to see who ends up being released, looking for a better backup PG and an extra backup 4. But I could live with that roster

You'd have to be a very dysfunctional franchise in Sacramento to give up a chance to draft a franchise changing player (Possibly Doncic or Bagley) to move down and draft at #7 and grab Bobby who is a reserve player on a good team and a #22 pick.

[TheSuzerain]

Is Doncic really better than #7 AND #14 ?

Oh yes

You have a lot of company in that belief. But I am just not sold. And I've tried to sell myself on the idea that you give up any and everything to get Doncic and every time that I try I it leads me back to the realization that he just isn't worth what most people seem to think that he is. Not a knock on him personally because very few players are worth it like that. Davis, Lebron, KD, Giannis maybe. Those are the kind of players that I think about when I think about betting the farm. Does anyone here see Doncic ever being that type of an impact player?

Our farm sucks dude. Let's just bet it. Other than Lauri.

[Onibuh]

Oh yes

You have a lot of company in that belief. But I am just not sold. And I've tried to sell myself on the idea that you give up any and everything to get Doncic and every time that I try I it leads me back to the realization that he just isn't worth what most people seem to think that he is. Not a knock on him personally because very few players are worth it like that. Davis, Lebron, KD, Giannis maybe. Those are the kind of players that I think about when I think about betting the farm. Does anyone here see Doncic ever being that type of an impact player?

Our farm sucks dude. Let's just bet it. Other than Lauri.

Isn't that the reason why it makes sense to have more lottery picks instead of one (who isn't a sure bet to become a star).

[Dominator83]

I'd do it.

I wish Gar/Pax would listen to me.

I also forgot AD is a Chi-town kid. At that point max salaries are probably starting at $40 million anyway, so maybe the extra $6 million they can shave off would be helpful.

I would as well, but front office would never go for it. They're not in the business of receiving 2nd rounders, only giving them away.

Yea but Wiz fan is also offering cash considerations! That's an easy yes from our F.O.

[sco]

If I had to help Boston get Bamba, I'd consider:

Boston - In: #4 Out: J. Brown, Sac 19
Memphis - In: #7, Felicio Out: #4, Parsons
Chicago - In: J. Brown, Sac 19, Parson Out: #7, Felicio

[PrimzyBulls81]

Here's where I saw this

http://bleacherreport.com/nba-rumors

Chicago Bulls Receive: SG Iman Shumpert, No. 2
Sacramento Kings Receive: PF/C Bobby Portis, No. 7, No. 22

Of course my first offer would be to maybe include Valentine rather than #22 because we're helping SAC cut salary and giving them a useful player but I'd still do it and not try to get greedy adding others


Taking Doncic.

Resign Vonleh.


Markkanen Vonleh
Doncic Holiday Schumpert
Lopez Vonleh Felicio Asik
LaVine Valentine Kilpatrick
Dunn Payne Grant


After the draft I'd be looking to see who ends up being released, looking for a better backup PG and an extra backup 4. But I could live with that roster

Would love to get Luka, BUT I WANT 2 DRAFT PICKS this year,not only one.. or one pick and one solid player back!

[Peelboy]

If I had to help Boston get Bamba, I'd consider:

Boston - In: #4 Out: J. Brown, Sac 19
Memphis - In: #7, Felicio Out: #4, Parsons
Chicago - In: J. Brown, Sac 19, Parson Out: #7, Felicio

Why would Bulls do that v simply trading 7+Felicio for 4+ Parson? Memphis doesn’t care, they send/receive the same. Bulls would have to value Brian+Sac19 over #4. Don’t see it.

[sco]

If I had to help Boston get Bamba, I'd consider:

Boston - In: #4 Out: J. Brown, Sac 19
Memphis - In: #7, Felicio Out: #4, Parsons
Chicago - In: J. Brown, Sac 19, Parson Out: #7, Felicio

Why would Bulls do that v simply trading 7+Felicio for 4+ Parson? Memphis doesn’t care, they send/receive the same. Bulls would have to value Brian+Sac19 over #4. Don’t see it.

I prefer Brown and Sac 19 to #7.

[ChettheJet]

It seems like a lot for the Bulls to move up to #2 for Doncic, I honestly don't see Pax giving up much to move up to #4 to get Bamba if it includes taking back $50M with Parsons, hell I don't see any team swallowing that pill.


But what if they make two trades and step up. Send #7 and Robin Lopez to DAL and take #5, Powell and Matthews. DAL doesn't really have a center, they're playing Dirk and Lopez is an expiring deal at a significant savings over Powell and Matthews. They can probably get close to the same talent at #7 that they were looking at for #5.

The Bulls then send #5, #22 and Portis maybe Grant for #2. Depending on who ATL and MEM pick or trade to, the Kings still get one from Bagley, Jackson, Bamba, Porter, Young. Or they could see what they could trade down and get.

[ChettheJet]

There's a story that the Bucks would be willing to trade down from #17 to get rid of Dellavedova who has 2 years and $19M.

If they want #22 and take back Grant, Dellavedova could be a fair backup at both guard spots.

Would #17 help them move higher and they could include Valentine and/or Holiday since they added another guard

[sco]

There's a story that the Bucks would be willing to trade down from #17 to get rid of Dellavedova who has 2 years and $19M.

If they want #22 and take back Grant, Dellavedova could be a fair backup at both guard spots.

Would #17 help them move higher and they could include Valentine and/or Holiday since they added another guard

Wow - I would do that so fast! I like Dellavedova and Bucks have too many PG's. He could keep Dunn honest.

Also saw:

The Philadelphia 76ers held internal talks about packaging Markelle Fultz as well as the No. 10 and No. 26 picks to move into the top-5 to select Michael Porter Jr., according to sources.

The 76ers moved away from that strategy due to Porter's recurring back issues.

Fultz will be the favorite to start at shooting guard for the 76ers next season if JJ Redick leaves in free agency.

The 76ers traded up to select Fultz just a year ago, sending the Sacramento Kings' 2019 unprotected pick to the Boston Celtics.

Fultz, 10 and 26 if Porter's still there at 7. I would do that 11 times out of 10. (assuming JJJ and Bamba are gone).