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Re: Jazz will release Rose! Sign him or not? 

Post#121 » by League Circles » Fri Feb 9, 2018 8:30 pm

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Why? Serious question. I don’t get it. Please explain. Where do you draw the line? My mom is a south sider. But I never lived in Chicago. Down state my whole life. If Rose had that same story would it be different for you?

What if he was from Buffalo? Or Hong Kong?

It’s pure coincidence. I don’t get it. It’s not rational. If Rose was was from Queens he’s be the most hated Bulls player of all time.

It’s such a ridiculous basis on which to form a distinction.


If I had to make a guess, there are a lot of posters who grew up in the same instances as Rose and see him as a sort of hero for getting out the extreme poverty and hopelessness from which he came. I mean, he was drafted with a 1.7% chance and then won the youngest MVP award in the history of the league. I'll bet that if you ask the Rose fans when they first heard about him, he was probably was no older than 12-14. That means these guys have been invested in a guy through his entire high school/AAU career, college, the Bulls, and beyond.

And it isn't Chicago specifically; it's south/west side Chicago. If Derrick was from the north side of the city, he'd still be "from Chicago" but you wouldn't see the same loyalty and admiration from his fans. And in this case, there are simply too many guys who can't "break up" with Rose no matter what.

And I don't really blame them for their admiration of Rose, it's always been an issue to me that the team somehow owes anything to Rose that upsets me.

This may be the case for many, but FWIW, I'm one of the biggest Rose fans on here, and I'm 10 years older than him, grew up in completely different circumstances in Wisconsin, never heard of him basically til the Bulls won the lottery and I started looking at prospects for the draft, have never lived in Chicago (though moved to the area from WI a few years ago), and I even am biased against small guards.
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Re: Jazz will release Rose! Sign him or not? 

Post#122 » by kyrv » Fri Feb 9, 2018 8:33 pm

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Ho Hooo! It was a thing eh? That will be news to some people that denied it.


Shocking revelation. :0

But moved on, meh. Butler is really good. Rose is not. Their beef was mostly on-court. Rose has learned his place. Jimmy won.

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Re: Jazz will release Rose! Sign him or not? 

Post#123 » by ArtMorte » Fri Feb 9, 2018 8:40 pm

lol, you'd have to be mad to re-sign Rose.
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Post#124 » by BR0D1E86 » Fri Feb 9, 2018 9:50 pm

I’d be fine with resigning him. To a one day contract as he’s retiring. I’ll not rehash the whole argument again, but for me it permanently tainted my opinion of him. But I wouldn’t be against be one day contract thing.


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Re: Jazz will release Rose! Sign him or not? 

Post#125 » by fleet » Fri Feb 9, 2018 11:21 pm

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Why? Serious question. I don’t get it. Please explain. Where do you draw the line? My mom is a south sider. But I never lived in Chicago. Down state my whole life. If Rose had that same story would it be different for you?

What if he was from Buffalo? Or Hong Kong?

It’s pure coincidence. I don’t get it. It’s not rational. If Rose was was from Queens he’s be the most hated Bulls player of all time.

It’s such a ridiculous basis on which to form a distinction.


If I had to make a guess, there are a lot of posters who grew up in the same instances as Rose and see him as a sort of hero for getting out the extreme poverty and hopelessness from which he came. I mean, he was drafted with a 1.7% chance and then won the youngest MVP award in the history of the league. I'll bet that if you ask the Rose fans when they first heard about him, he was probably was no older than 12-14. That means these guys have been invested in a guy through his entire high school/AAU career, college, the Bulls, and beyond.

And it isn't Chicago specifically; it's south/west side Chicago. If Derrick was from the north side of the city, he'd still be "from Chicago" but you wouldn't see the same loyalty and admiration from his fans. And in this case, there are simply too many guys who can't "break up" with Rose no matter what.

And I don't really blame them for their admiration of Rose, it's always been an issue to me that the team somehow owes anything to Rose that upsets me.


Bingo. It's not something that anyone can be made to understand who didn't grow up in those circumstances, nor should said person necessarily accept it. It's irrational, emotional. We all know it and still support him blindly. Anyone who was raised on that side of the city, extreme violence as it is, shares a brotherhood in that no one expects much from us. So by default, anyone who becomes anything great is going to be a "hero", even if their character doesn't fit the billing (see: Kanye west). And in these cases it is more painful because youre rooting for a jackass....but theyre "your" jackass. It has to be ours because we dont get anything else except guns and drugs dumped into our neighborhoods. Anyone from here will tell you that.
(I moved away with my fiancee, but most of my family still lives in the area)

When you leave this part of the country and become great, it means maybe more than it would in a lot of other cases. Derrick Rose is a very flawed human being and no longer any good at basketball. It hurts to see, even though we've moved on. It'll hurt less when achieved greatness becomes more commonplace here, particularly outside of sports and more into things that affect daily life.

Much of that instinctively makes sense to me, and it was never anything puzzling. My problem comes in where just because of this, people had lower expectations from him, they made excuses, or flat denied the reality of his failures. He was disappointing in ways, and somehow his birthplace makes it ok. That I dont get. I'm a (southwest side) Chicagoan that enjoys seeing Chicagoans do good. Although I'm not a south or west side Chicagoan, I never needed to be to feel some connection anyway. But, dont we need standards of conduct? I'm not proud of all Chicagoans just because. As a Chicago Bull, I used to have the hometown pride and I felt a need to defend him once. Yet that doesnt come with unconditional love. And I don't believe every South or west side Chicagoan has unconditional love either. Many shake their heads too.

Regardless, people are different, no question. And some will love him no matter what he does, because for them he was Derrick Rose from the south side first. Chicago Bull second. And he could shoot another Chicagoan in the middle of Daley Plaza and get away with it.
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Re: Jazz will release Rose! Sign him or not? 

Post#126 » by SeniorWalker » Fri Feb 9, 2018 11:55 pm

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If I had to make a guess, there are a lot of posters who grew up in the same instances as Rose and see him as a sort of hero for getting out the extreme poverty and hopelessness from which he came. I mean, he was drafted with a 1.7% chance and then won the youngest MVP award in the history of the league. I'll bet that if you ask the Rose fans when they first heard about him, he was probably was no older than 12-14. That means these guys have been invested in a guy through his entire high school/AAU career, college, the Bulls, and beyond.

And it isn't Chicago specifically; it's south/west side Chicago. If Derrick was from the north side of the city, he'd still be "from Chicago" but you wouldn't see the same loyalty and admiration from his fans. And in this case, there are simply too many guys who can't "break up" with Rose no matter what.

And I don't really blame them for their admiration of Rose, it's always been an issue to me that the team somehow owes anything to Rose that upsets me.


Bingo. It's not something that anyone can be made to understand who didn't grow up in those circumstances, nor should said person necessarily accept it. It's irrational, emotional. We all know it and still support him blindly. Anyone who was raised on that side of the city, extreme violence as it is, shares a brotherhood in that no one expects much from us. So by default, anyone who becomes anything great is going to be a "hero", even if their character doesn't fit the billing (see: Kanye west). And in these cases it is more painful because youre rooting for a jackass....but theyre "your" jackass. It has to be ours because we dont get anything else except guns and drugs dumped into our neighborhoods. Anyone from here will tell you that.
(I moved away with my fiancee, but most of my family still lives in the area)

When you leave this part of the country and become great, it means maybe more than it would in a lot of other cases. Derrick Rose is a very flawed human being and no longer any good at basketball. It hurts to see, even though we've moved on. It'll hurt less when achieved greatness becomes more commonplace here, particularly outside of sports and more into things that affect daily life.

That instinctively makes sense to me, and it was never anything puzzling. My problem comes in where just because of this, people had lower expectations from him, they made excuses, or flat denied the reality of his failures . He was disappointing in many ways, and somehow his birthplace makes it ok. That I dont get.


I don't think anything was made "ok" because of where he was born. Its just that people continue to root for him anyway, hoping he'd make it at the top. People trying to make excuses for him is the irrational, emotional side of it. When people make arguments for Rose that are not based on anything he actually did, basketball-related or not, that's where it comes from. And it doesn't require that folks like you understand it. You're perfectly in your right to dislike Rose for reasons that are completely reasonable to dislike someone. And you certainly don't have to listen to us talk about what could have been or anything like that, or delude ourselves into thinking he might have legs for one more comeback. You already know where its coming from. That also doesn't mean people are completely unreaosnable every time they speak positively on behalf of Derrick Rose. Contrary to the belief of some, it is still easily possible to view him as a well-meaning but misunderstood person, even with his many flaws. And to remember the time he gave us at the top of his game.

Edit: and if he shoots someone in the middle of Daley plaza, its probable that we'll adjust our view on him being a cold blooded murderer. But somehow I think we're pretty far from that.
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Re: Jazz will release Rose! Sign him or not? 

Post#127 » by fleet » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:03 am

^^^ well, your priorities are in better shape than mine. You love him as a person. I loved him as a Bull. I'm not going to question why it is like that, I'm sure the reason these feelings come up are well-earned. This must be the source of the disconnect.
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Re: Jazz will release Rose! Sign him or not? 

Post#128 » by MAQ » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:05 am

fleet wrote:Regardless, people are different, no question. And some will love him no matter what he does, because for them he was Derrick Rose from the south side first. Chicago Bull second. And he could shoot another Chicagoan in the middle of Daley Plaza and get away with it.

And it's points like this that prove both "sides" are irrational and crazy.
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Re: Jazz will release Rose! Sign him or not? 

Post#129 » by fleet » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:08 am

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fleet wrote:Regardless, people are different, no question. And some will love him no matter what he does, because for them he was Derrick Rose from the south side first. Chicago Bull second. And he could shoot another Chicagoan in the middle of Daley Plaza and get away with it.

And it's points like this that prove both "sides" are irrational and crazy.

It was a joke. You familiar with the POTUS? Anyway. Probably forced that one.
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Post#130 » by Red Larrivee » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:10 am

At this point, I think Rose is going to retire at the end of the season. This fall from grace has been so historical and I think he's done rehabbing injuries. Thibodeau may be his last chance to hold on.

I don't see him ever playing another minute for the Bulls. A one-day contract is the most I see happening when he retires.
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Post#131 » by League Circles » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:12 am

I just love him cause he never acted silly like a millenial like most of the league now days. I always saw him as quiet, old school and a great teammate, which is rare for that special talent. I just think the injures traumatized him and made him make commitment mistakes and afraid to play defense or something. That's it in a nutshell for me.
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Post#132 » by sco » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:22 am

League Circles wrote:I just love him cause he never acted silly like a millenial like most of the league now days. I always saw him as quiet, old school and a great teammate, which is rare for that special talent. I just think the injures traumatized him and made him make commitment mistakes and afraid to play defense or something. That's it in a nutshell for me.

Dude you just re-defined Rose-colored glasses. :lol:
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Post#133 » by keloms » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:46 am

Red Larrivee wrote:At this point, I think Rose is going to retire at the end of the season. This fall from grace has been so historical and I think he's done rehabbing injuries. Thibodeau may be his last chance to hold on.

I don't see him ever playing another minute for the Bulls. A one-day contract is the most I see happening when he retires.


If he retires his contract with Adidas ends so he likely would try overseas first if no NBA offers come in.
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Re: Jazz will release Rose! Sign him or not? 

Post#134 » by PMONSTER » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:04 am

I watched those Cleveland games, and no way you can convince me that IT is better than Rose. None.

Why am I talking about IT? Because that short player, with the bad hip , arrogant attitude , and big mouth is still about to command at least the mid level exception

It's not the skill, but how do you convince people do you want to play basketball? He's going to have about 20 regular season games and some playoff games to prove that to people. Good luck with that!
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Post#135 » by Risk Addict » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:17 pm

I'd sign him to the Windy City Bulls. He'd fill that stadium up. What does his adidas contract say? Does he have to play in the NBA? Will G-league suffice to collect that pay-check. It could actually end up being the best thing for him. Get his swagger back, be close to home, completely dominate as a ball dominant non-passer. Very low stress environment.

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Post#136 » by dice » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:32 pm

PMONSTER wrote:I watched those Cleveland games, and no way you can convince me that IT is better than Rose. None.

Why am I talking about IT? Because that short player, with the bad hip , arrogant attitude , and big mouth is still about to command at least the mid level exception

It's not the skill, but how do you convince people do you want to play basketball? He's going to have about 20 regular season games and some playoff games to prove that to people. Good luck with that!

uh...IT was bad for a handful of games after a season where he was an MVP contender. derrick rose has been bad at basketball for years. he wouldn't be in the league if not for distant glories
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Post#137 » by dice » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:33 pm

Risk Addict wrote:I'd sign him to the Windy City Bulls. He'd fill that stadium up.

no he wouldn't. he might fill the local YMCA - no paying customers
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Post#138 » by bulls4ever » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:40 am

i liked him for being "dumb" and just tell the media his "truth" instead of the old political correct answers..
as .. want to take care of his body to have better life for his boy. Many would do the same but would just not say the "truth"

i didnt like him cause he was weak and soft. regardless of multiple injuries.. he was health after first but wanted to come back only when 120% good. to me, at that point he gave up being a super star

i liked him as a bull player. prior to the injury, he was just great. would bring hope and joy to all of us.
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Post#139 » by Ugly Duckling » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:53 am

A lot of teams could use a servicable backup PG, ourselves included. I think he should go to a Western Conference playoff team like the Wolves, Blazers, Thunder or Nuggets. Conversely, he could go to Memphis if they give him the keys for the rest of the season with Conley out. Maybe his old stomping grounds will reinvigorate him
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Re: Jazz will release Rose! Sign him or not? 

Post#140 » by BR0D1E86 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:06 am

d-rose [heroes] wrote:A lot of teams could use a servicable backup PG,

Which has what to do with Rose?

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