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Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M

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What's he worth?

13 million/yr
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27%
14 million/yr
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15%
15 million/yr
20
15%
16 million/yr
27
21%
17 million/yr
15
11%
18+ million/yr
14
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#81 » by kulaz3000 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:46 am

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Hangtime84 wrote:Dallas after Cousins offer falls through?


Cuban would punk us again.


1 year near max from the Lakers if they don't land 2 max free agents.


The Bulls match a one year max deal for sure.
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#82 » by Axolotl » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:59 am

I'd want to see more of LaVine. At his best he is very very good, the problem is that he hasn't played at his best often enough. I think he was clearly struggling to adapt to the 1st option role in in this team.

The question now, I think, is not can he be better than he was in the games he played for the Bulls, but how much better can he be.

Seeing more of LaVine in a Bulls jersey would have to be on a deal that reflects the fact that his future or future role in the Bulls is still under evaluation. So the contract should be something like 18-19 mil 1+1 TO or 4/64 mil front loaded.

A 4/40 mil going max immediately if he makes all star would be ideal, but i don't think the agents generally like those types of contracts.

LaVine's defence is not as bad as it's made out to be, as he is an adequate on-ball defender. If he can bring up his off-ball defence, he'll be a serviceable on that end. Simply stopping ball watching might be enough, but all in all his main focus this offseason should be off-ball defence and fluidity of team offence.

If this was a 1-on-1 -sport, Zach LaVine might well be a basketball god - but it's not, and he isn't. This raises some questions on the level of his bbiq.
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#83 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:29 am

logical_art wrote:Nice. This is this best news this week.

YEEES indeed :) whatever he gets over 14-15M , LET HIM GO! :D
95% of what he does,we can fill out with Valentine and Kilpatrick for a lot less money,plus Nwaba can play much better D
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#84 » by MrFortune3 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:38 am

I don't buy it. They obsessed over acquiring him for nearly 2 years, knew he was an upcoming RFA and coming off an ACL tear...24 games and they are willing to let him walk?

That doesn't pass the sniff test at all.
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#85 » by TankWilson » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:55 am

Lavine STANK
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#86 » by WindyCityBorn » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:58 am

MrFortune3 wrote:I don't buy it. They obsessed over acquiring him for nearly 2 years, knew he was an upcoming RFA and coming off an ACL tear...24 games and they are willing to let him walk?

That doesn't pass the sniff test at all.


Yeah it's BS. Or they are stupid if they expected a much different outcome.
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Post#87 » by BadWolf » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:47 am

He'd actually fit really nice on Lakers if they'd go with growth/youth over max FA. You know, believe in their guys.
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#88 » by samwana » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:59 am

LaVine has 6th man written all over him. Lou Williams type of player. Look at how Williams was criticized early in his career. He finally found his niche and is a plus player in his role.

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Post#89 » by the ultimates » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:42 am

The typical Bulls fans angst. The Bulls want to keep Lavine. They don't want to keep him at some max or near max deal. I think we can all agree that whatever you think of Lavine that would not be a good price. The same thing happened with Niko and people said somebody would pay him big money and nobody did.

People bring up the Lakers. They are all in on superstars. You give Lavine as a RFA a three year deal and you only have room for one. Is Lebron coming to play Lavine, Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball? Hell no. Dallas has been rumored to be in on Cousins. You think Cuban is going to strike out in free agency again by potentially not getting an injured Cousins but sell the fan base on a large contract to Lavine? So that leaves the Kings who've although they've done some idiotic things seem to be building an inexpensive youth movement in WCS, Bagley, Fox, and Hield. So why give Lavine huge money when you can use that cap space to possibly take on a bad contract and a pick.
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#90 » by realEAST » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:48 am

kulaz3000 wrote:
keloms wrote:
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Cuban would punk us again.


1 year near max from the Lakers if they don't land 2 max free agents.


The Bulls match a one year max deal for sure.


That's not an option, RFAs can only be offered multiyear contracts, 3 yrs is a minimum I think
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#91 » by keloms » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:48 am

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keloms wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Cuban would punk us again.


1 year near max from the Lakers if they don't land 2 max free agents.


The Bulls match a one year max deal for sure.


The problem then is Zach goes into next summer with half the league having $20m+ available plus a $27 million cap hold which is half their likely available cap space next summer so they'd be forced to renounce him for nothing if their goal is 2 max free agents or be limited to the equivalent of 1 max + him.
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Post#92 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:52 am

I DONT WANT TO HEAR LAVINE and MAX CONTRACT never again! ITS STUPID beyond words!!! :banghead:
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Post#93 » by SensiBull » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:54 am

Bottom line is that I don't see LaVine as a 1st option on a deep playoff team NOR as a specialist player on a team of equals.

I think the NBA of yesterday was one where the ability to put the ball on the floor and finish at the rim in traffic was rare enough to justify a max contract.

Today, Kris Dunn, Jerian Grant, David Nwaba, Sean Kilpatrick and Cameron Payne can all do that almost for collectively less than $18-19 MM.

LaVine's proven skill set just is not rare enough to justify paying him max money.

Today, based on supply and demand, skills like distribution, shot-blocking, outside shooting, rebounding and perimeter defence are all skills that carry a premium. None of that screams Zach LaVine to me.
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#94 » by the ultimates » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:56 am

keloms wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
keloms wrote:
1 year near max from the Lakers if they don't land 2 max free agents.


The Bulls match a one year max deal for sure.


The problem then is Zach goes into next summer with half the league having $20m+ available plus a $27 million cap hold which is half their likely available cap space next summer so they'd be forced to renounce him for nothing if their goal is 2 max free agents or be limited to the equivalent of 1 max + him.


Lavine's a RFA the Lakers or any team that signs him to an offer sheet has to make it at least a three year deal.
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#95 » by johnnyvann840 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:59 am

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Red Larrivee wrote:KC said earlier today that the Bulls are bracing for an offer from a Western Conference team.


KC hasn't been right about much lately. He's also contradicted himself a couple of times in the last week. Can only be Lakers or Sacto in the West. The only other teams would be Philly, BKN and Indy. Nobody has the cap space to offer much.


I could actually really see the Lakers here....say they get spurned by LeBron. They need a good 2 Guard that can shoot next to Ball. Even if they get PG24 still, Zach makes sense at the 2 with Ball, Kuzma and PG making up for Defense they could mask Lavine easy.


I agree. He's also got ties to LA. UCLA kid. West coaster. I could see them or the Kings throwing big money at him. I just hope the Bulls just say no if they do. It would give GarPax a nice way to save face and get out of a mistake.

As far as him blowing up somewhere else, I'm not worried about that. He's probably going to score 20 PPG, maybe even more, maybe even efficiently, maybe he shoots 40% from 3, it's all likely. But that doesn't matter to me. It doesn't make him a good basketball player. You can score 20 PPG and still be a negative impact player if you don't make your team better. If you don't play defense. Jahlil Okafor can score 20 PPG if you gave him 32 MPG and let him go nuts. He also couldn't even get on the floor on two of the worst teams in the NBA at the time.
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#96 » by WindyCityBorn » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:11 am

SensiBull wrote:Bottom line is that I don't see LaVine as a 1st option on a deep playoff team NOR as a specialist player on a team of equals.

I think the NBA of yesterday was one where the ability to put the ball on the floor and finish at the rim in traffic was rare enough to justify a max contract.

Today, Kris Dunn, Jerian Grant, David Nwaba, Sean Kilpatrick and Cameron Payne can all do that almost for collectively less than $18-19 MM.

LaVine's proven skill set just is not rare enough to justify paying him max money.

Today, based on supply and demand, skills like distribution, shot-blocking, outside shooting, rebounding and perimeter defence are all skills that carry a premium. None of that screams Zach LaVine to me.


LaVine isn't getting a max deal from any team. May be one team might make a crazy offer but I think it unlikely. I say $60 million/years is fair offer. No he hasn't earned that, but it's worth the the gamble and wouldn't hurt us in free agency once we shed guys like Lopez and Holiday(and maybe stretch Felicio if he doesn't improve significantly).
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Re: REPORT: Bulls support for Lavine wavering as he becomes RFA 

Post#97 » by HomoSapien » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:15 am

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SensiBull wrote:Bottom line is that I don't see LaVine as a 1st option on a deep playoff team NOR as a specialist player on a team of equals.

I think the NBA of yesterday was one where the ability to put the ball on the floor and finish at the rim in traffic was rare enough to justify a max contract.

Today, Kris Dunn, Jerian Grant, David Nwaba, Sean Kilpatrick and Cameron Payne can all do that almost for collectively less than $18-19 MM.

LaVine's proven skill set just is not rare enough to justify paying him max money.

Today, based on supply and demand, skills like distribution, shot-blocking, outside shooting, rebounding and perimeter defence are all skills that carry a premium. None of that screams Zach LaVine to me.


LaVine isn't getting a max deal from any team. May be one team might make a crazy offer but I think it unlikely. I say $60 million/years is fair offer. No he hasn't earned that, but it's worth the the gamble and wouldn't hurt us in free agency once we shed guys like Lopez and Holiday(and maybe stretch Felicio if he doesn't improve significantly).


Should we be so sure about that? I know the market has normalized some, but teams gave Tony Snell and Allen Crabbe a **** ton of money. If I wanted LaVine, I'd call the Bulls bluff and make an offer.
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Post#98 » by JohnnyTapwater » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:56 am

So is Zach an entitled jerk behind the scenes? Is that why the support of a talented kid JUST coming off of a significant injury is wavering?

Was he really being judged on his play in such a short stint while not even at 100%?
Was he really being judged in games we did not even want to win?

The only thing that makes sense is if his personality has rubbed some people the wrong way.

I think I eluded to this a few weeks ago despite their being zero evidence to this. Sometimes my instinct is on point.
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Post#99 » by TheSchmaranz » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:31 am

Chitownbulls wrote:Smokescreen....Bulls are trying to make teams think twice about offering LaVine a MAX


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Post#100 » by JimmyJammer » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:52 am

My prediction is Dallas will try to make an offer after having lost Matthews in the trade with Atlanta. They will try to sign Dwight Howard since they have always had that love affair with him. As for LaVine, he will probably want a long term contract now, for security, instead of a 1+1. The idea is if he signs a 4-5yr contract now, he will still be only 27-28 when he is up for another contract, maximizing his income potential. Additionally, I am sensing that the Bulls organization is probably kind of pissed about the fact that LaVine is solely training in Los Angeles with his father this offseason. They obviously would have preferred to have him around so that they can monitor his progress or lack thereof. Paxson mentioned something to that effect about two weeks ago. So, a message has been sent with a kind of statement like this from Fridell.

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