Zach Lavine: Offered 4/80 from Kings update p26 Bulls Matched
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:45 pm
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Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:25 pm
The two notable things that came out recently
Kings might be out, but are still monitoring Zach:
https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article214035079.html
Bulls have been proactive and are talking, maybe even offering $18 million a year:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-zach-lavine-free-agency-20180706-story.html
I know media groupthink is dangerous and there are other considerations and relationships that come into team building, but how can the Bulls be this excited and confident in him when people like Zach Lowe rightfully point out his weaknesses and how unlikely it is that he takes a huge leap.
Kings might be out, but are still monitoring Zach:
https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article214035079.html
Bulls have been proactive and are talking, maybe even offering $18 million a year:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-zach-lavine-free-agency-20180706-story.html
I know media groupthink is dangerous and there are other considerations and relationships that come into team building, but how can the Bulls be this excited and confident in him when people like Zach Lowe rightfully point out his weaknesses and how unlikely it is that he takes a huge leap.
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:29 pm
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07/fa-rumors-lavine-parker-jefferson-beasley.html
According to KC the Bulls FO has told LaVine they are comfortable in the 18M per year range.
While the Bulls and Zach LaVine aren’t necessarily close to a deal, the team has had communication with LaVine and his representatives, writes K.C. Johnson of The Chicago Tribune. According to Johnson, the Bulls assured LaVine that speculation they wanted to do a $14MM-per-year deal wasn’t accurate, and have “proactively” negotiated in good faith with his camp on a deal that could be in the range of $18MM annually.
That seems like a very reasonable number for LaVine, particularly since only two other teams can currently offer a deal worth anything close to that, and neither of those teams seems to be pushing hard for the Bulls guard. As Johnson details, the Bulls don’t want to let LaVine get away and aren’t eager to have him play on his qualifying offer, so it seems like there’s a good chance the two sides will eventually get something done
According to KC the Bulls FO has told LaVine they are comfortable in the 18M per year range.
While the Bulls and Zach LaVine aren’t necessarily close to a deal, the team has had communication with LaVine and his representatives, writes K.C. Johnson of The Chicago Tribune. According to Johnson, the Bulls assured LaVine that speculation they wanted to do a $14MM-per-year deal wasn’t accurate, and have “proactively” negotiated in good faith with his camp on a deal that could be in the range of $18MM annually.
That seems like a very reasonable number for LaVine, particularly since only two other teams can currently offer a deal worth anything close to that, and neither of those teams seems to be pushing hard for the Bulls guard. As Johnson details, the Bulls don’t want to let LaVine get away and aren’t eager to have him play on his qualifying offer, so it seems like there’s a good chance the two sides will eventually get something done
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:41 pm
"multi-year deal that could be in the range of $18m" could mean a two-year deal that's worth less than $18 million (or something with a team option), so i'm not going to panic year
but if we're offering him 4/72 and zach is demurring, then i'm pretty peeved all around. the kings pretty clearly do not see making an offer to lavine as a priority, so we should be working to secure him on a contract that would allow him to be a decent value even if he ends up as a sixth man
but if we're offering him 4/72 and zach is demurring, then i'm pretty peeved all around. the kings pretty clearly do not see making an offer to lavine as a priority, so we should be working to secure him on a contract that would allow him to be a decent value even if he ends up as a sixth man
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:42 pm
If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M . . . . .
I don't know. No point in making empty threats. I guess I'll complete that sentence. If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M deal, I will bitch about them anonymously on the internet.
I don't know. No point in making empty threats. I guess I'll complete that sentence. If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M deal, I will bitch about them anonymously on the internet.
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:52 pm
coldfish wrote:If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M . . . . .
I don't know. No point in making empty threats. I guess I'll complete that sentence. If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M deal, I will bitch about them anonymously on the internet.
$18M average per season would have him tied at 50th in the league.
I'd personally smile and say "good deal".
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:52 pm
MalagaBulls wrote:https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07/fa-rumors-lavine-parker-jefferson-beasley.html
According to KC the Bulls FO has told LaVine they are comfortable in the 18M per year range.
While the Bulls and Zach LaVine aren’t necessarily close to a deal, the team has had communication with LaVine and his representatives, writes K.C. Johnson of The Chicago Tribune. According to Johnson, the Bulls assured LaVine that speculation they wanted to do a $14MM-per-year deal wasn’t accurate, and have “proactively” negotiated in good faith with his camp on a deal that could be in the range of $18MM annually.
That seems like a very reasonable number for LaVine, particularly since only two other teams can currently offer a deal worth anything close to that, and neither of those teams seems to be pushing hard for the Bulls guard. As Johnson details, the Bulls don’t want to let LaVine get away and aren’t eager to have him play on his qualifying offer, so it seems like there’s a good chance the two sides will eventually get something done
If they actually give him a deal of 4 years at 18m per, then i really hope that they're atleast smart enough to structure it in a way that gives him more now, and less next year when we need all the cap we can get
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:53 pm
I want this deal done SOON. If they are offering $18 to $20 million I wonder if it is about the years?
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:55 pm
Dominater wrote:MalagaBulls wrote:https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07/fa-rumors-lavine-parker-jefferson-beasley.html
According to KC the Bulls FO has told LaVine they are comfortable in the 18M per year range.
While the Bulls and Zach LaVine aren’t necessarily close to a deal, the team has had communication with LaVine and his representatives, writes K.C. Johnson of The Chicago Tribune. According to Johnson, the Bulls assured LaVine that speculation they wanted to do a $14MM-per-year deal wasn’t accurate, and have “proactively” negotiated in good faith with his camp on a deal that could be in the range of $18MM annually.
That seems like a very reasonable number for LaVine, particularly since only two other teams can currently offer a deal worth anything close to that, and neither of those teams seems to be pushing hard for the Bulls guard. As Johnson details, the Bulls don’t want to let LaVine get away and aren’t eager to have him play on his qualifying offer, so it seems like there’s a good chance the two sides will eventually get something done
If they actually give him a deal of 4 years at 18m per, then i really hope that they're atleast smart enough to structure it in a way that gives him more now, and less next year when we need all the cap we can get
I think you can only front load so much.
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:56 pm
coldfish wrote:If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M . . . . .
I don't know. No point in making empty threats. I guess I'll complete that sentence. If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M deal, I will bitch about them anonymously on the internet.
Deal will end up a bargain.
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:00 pm
Do it GarPax!!!
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:02 pm
WindyCityBorn wrote:I want this deal done SOON. If they are offering $18 to $20 million I wonder if it is about the years?
There's no rush on LaVine's side. His representation should be looking to get the biggest contract they can find and force the Bulls to decide.
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:03 pm
Truebiscuit wrote:coldfish wrote:If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M . . . . .
I don't know. No point in making empty threats. I guess I'll complete that sentence. If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M deal, I will bitch about them anonymously on the internet.
$18M average per season would have him tied at 50th in the league.
I'd personally smile and say "good deal".
That just means he’d be paid like the 2nd best player on the typical roster. Is he that guy? Hasn’t played like it (or anywhere close).
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:06 pm
Truebiscuit wrote:WindyCityBorn wrote:I want this deal done SOON. If they are offering $18 to $20 million I wonder if it is about the years?
There's no rush on LaVine's side. His representation should be looking to get the biggest contract they can find and force the Bulls to decide.
Well the FA dollars are dwindling so he can't just "wait it out" and be left without a chair at the table. The Bulls are in such a great spot here it would be so stupid to just offer him 4/72 when nobody else is even offering more than two years.
If the Kings are out, what teams are even interested in him?
Re: RE: Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:12 pm
Im not sure how you can come to that conclusion, but I'd love to hear it.WindyCityBorn wrote:coldfish wrote:If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M . . . . .
I don't know. No point in making empty threats. I guess I'll complete that sentence. If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M deal, I will bitch about them anonymously on the internet.
Deal will end up a bargain.
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Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:13 pm
madvillian wrote:Truebiscuit wrote:WindyCityBorn wrote:I want this deal done SOON. If they are offering $18 to $20 million I wonder if it is about the years?
There's no rush on LaVine's side. His representation should be looking to get the biggest contract they can find and force the Bulls to decide.
Well the FA dollars are dwindling so he can't just "wait it out" and be left without a chair at the table. The Bulls are in such a great spot here it would be so stupid to just offer him 4/72 when nobody else is even offering more than two years.
If the Kings are out, what teams are even interested in him?
The Bulls don't want to damage their relationship with him and they don want him to take the qualifying offer. That's why they are not lowballing him. Trying to get the cheapest deal possible is not always the best move. Especially if they sincerely believe he can be part of their long term plan.
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:15 pm
madvillian wrote:Truebiscuit wrote:WindyCityBorn wrote:I want this deal done SOON. If they are offering $18 to $20 million I wonder if it is about the years?
There's no rush on LaVine's side. His representation should be looking to get the biggest contract they can find and force the Bulls to decide.
Well the FA dollars are dwindling so he can't just "wait it out" and be left without a chair at the table. The Bulls are in such a great spot here it would be so stupid to just offer him 4/72 when nobody else is even offering more than two years.
If the Kings are out, what teams are even interested in him?
I think the idea is that you make a fair offer to him, so we can use this 4/$72M hypothetical number as an example. That means his team needs to shop around (SAC and ATL) and see if they are willing to top that number right off the bat (doubt it). Then the conversation for LaVine's camp shifts from "what's the best contract we can get" to "do we take the Bulls offer, or do we bet on Zach and just play for the qualifying offer?". That's pressure... $72M in your pocket or $4.6M and the ever looming risk of injury or not playing well, etc. I'd be surprised if he didn't take the money because he'll come out of that deal at age 27 and entering his prime.
Re: RE: Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:15 pm
Mbrahv0528 wrote:Im not sure how you can come to that conclusion, but I'd love to hear it.WindyCityBorn wrote:coldfish wrote:If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M . . . . .
I don't know. No point in making empty threats. I guess I'll complete that sentence. If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M deal, I will bitch about them anonymously on the internet.
Deal will end up a bargain.
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Because I believe he is gonna light it up next season. Just what I believe. You or any one else don't have to agree and I'm no gonna try to convince you. It's my opinion.
Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:15 pm
WindyCityBorn wrote:madvillian wrote:Truebiscuit wrote:
There's no rush on LaVine's side. His representation should be looking to get the biggest contract they can find and force the Bulls to decide.
Well the FA dollars are dwindling so he can't just "wait it out" and be left without a chair at the table. The Bulls are in such a great spot here it would be so stupid to just offer him 4/72 when nobody else is even offering more than two years.
If the Kings are out, what teams are even interested in him?
The Bulls don't want to damage their relationship with him and they don want him to take the qualifying offer. That's why they are not lowballing him. Trying to get the cheapest deal possible is not always the best move. Especially if they sincerely believe he can be part of their long term plan.
I really don't care about pissing of a guy that played at about replacement level for 40 some games. Mirotic had more history and more success with Chicago than Zach and they didn't exactly extend him an olive branch. They shouldn't do it with Zach just because he was the "headliner" of a trade when 14 months later he's clearly the 3rd piece in that deal.
Re: RE: Re: Zach Lavine (r)free agency 2.0
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2018 9:15 pm
coldfish wrote:If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M . . . . .
I don't know. No point in making empty threats. I guess I'll complete that sentence. If GarPax give Lavine a 4/72M deal, I will bitch about them anonymously on the internet.
If it's $18M, best case is it's only a two-year contract, with a team option on the back end.
I don't think LaVine does that, but I'd love to be wrong.
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