Zach Lavine thread

[dice]

Why are you guys arguing with Dice?

Isn’t he the one who said Antonio Blakeney was just as good as Zach Lavine?

Wow, I didn't know he said that. Wait until he pulls some weird combination of stats out of his ass to try prove that to you. I am starting to believe this guy or girl is trolling us.

he's lying. as many people have resorted to doing when debating Zach lavine with me. it's a shame, 'cause detlef was on both my championship fantasy teams in the '90s

unfortunately, that's the realm that many posters here are in when discussing lavine's game - fantasy

I mention defense, I'm trolling. I mention turnovers, I'm trolling. I point out rpm or any other statistic that shows lavine has not had much impact on winning, I'm trolling. I consistently call him an excellent scorer, I'm ignored. I say excellent is not the same as elite, I'm trolling again

and then incredulous posters misrepresent my position or outright lie. rinse and repeat

I'm pretty sure that this post is the first time I've ever typed the name blakeney

[panthermark]

It wasn't Dice that made the comparison. I forgot who it was, but the poster admitted that the comparison was not a good one right after he posted it.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen an NBA player with as much tunnel vision as Black-hole-ney.
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Zach is fine. He made quite a leap this year. I'm very happy with his progression.

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[K4P]

Zach isn't a perfect player, but to even insinuate trading him is a good idea is silly. Why trade Zach and draft a replacement that you'd hope becomes as good as him? Even at his worst he possess an elite skill in scoring and makes far less than the max.

[patagonia]

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Sitting Zach is the right move. sitting him for the remainder of the season would be a decent play. He’s shown enough this season and has improved. Let him enjoy the games from the sidelines, give Lauri and Otto more responsibility to close out the year, and see if you can get lucky enough to get solid enough performances out of Dunn without Zach on the floor to con an opposing GM into giving some value for him in the offseason.


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[Bulls Fan 23]

Let's sit Zach the rest of the year. Let Rawle play some and sign Walter Lemon to a 10 day contract and see what he has

[NecessaryEvil]

Knew someone would get shut down for the season. Perfect timing for the Bulls. Zach ends the season on a super high note and we aim for the 3rd slot in these last 14 games.

[WindyCityBorn]

I'm all for shutting him down. He has proved his worth and talent. Let's see if Markkanen, Porter and especially Dunn can step up in his absence. This also tells me LaVine is good place mentally and on the same page as management. He looked depressed a while back, but the Porter trade and all the wins that definitely boosted morale.

Also not worried about his health. That was a nasty slip he had at the end of the Detroit game. Would have hurt any one.

[WindyCityBorn]

Knew someone would get shut down for the season. Perfect timing for the Bulls. Zach ends the season on a super high note and we aim for the 3rd slot in these last 14 games.

Porter could get shut down too. He has looked gimpy at times. Wouldn't be surprised to see he and Lauri get some rest days.

[Ugly Duckling]

I don't want to shut anyone down. Play on

[WindyCityBorn]

I don't want to shut anyone down. Play on

So you want him to risk him a serious injury? Why? Think long term.

[kulaz3000]

I don't want to shut anyone down. Play on

So you want him to risk him a serious injury? Why? Think long term.

Why stop there? We should sit Lauri and Otto as well. Hell, every half decent player who is on a team out of the playoffs should sit. It’s ridiculous how easily these players sit these days. Not saying Zach shouldn’t sit a few games while he is injured, however, once he is no longer injured and feels good enough to play, he should.

Players used to beg to play, hide being hurt to play, play through niggling injuries for the fans. Now it’s all about conserving yourself since in the standings you have nothing to play for, don’t risk injury and God’s forbid, don’t worry about those fans who save their hard earned cash to maybe watch that one game in their life, but misses out seeing his favourite player because they aren’t in playoff contention and doesn’t warm to risk injury - that’s weak sauce in my opinion.

[MeloRoseNoah]

I don't want to shut anyone down. Play on

So you want him to risk him a serious injury? Why? Think long term.

Why stop there? We should sit Lauri and Otto as well. Hell, every half decent player who is on a team out of the playoffs should sit. It’s ridiculous how easily these players sit these days. Not saying Zach shouldn’t sit a few games while he is injured, however, once he is no longer injured and feels good enough to play, he should.

Players used to beg to play, hide being hurt to play, play through niggling injuries for the fans. Now it’s all about conserving yourself since in the standings you have nothing to play for, don’t risk injury and God’s forbid, don’t worry about those fans who save their hard earned cash to maybe watch that one game in their life, but misses out seeing his favourite player because they aren’t in playoff contention and doesn’t warm to risk injury - that’s weak sauce in my opinion.

Weak or not. A sprain is a micro ligament tear. There is no point to risk a patella rupture here. One week of rest is sufficient time for his body to heal up.

[kulaz3000]

So you want him to risk him a serious injury? Why? Think long term.

Why stop there? We should sit Lauri and Otto as well. Hell, every half decent player who is on a team out of the playoffs should sit. It’s ridiculous how easily these players sit these days. Not saying Zach shouldn’t sit a few games while he is injured, however, once he is no longer injured and feels good enough to play, he should.

Players used to beg to play, hide being hurt to play, play through niggling injuries for the fans. Now it’s all about conserving yourself since in the standings you have nothing to play for, don’t risk injury and God’s forbid, don’t worry about those fans who save their hard earned cash to maybe watch that one game in their life, but misses out seeing his favourite player because they aren’t in playoff contention and doesn’t warm to risk injury - that’s weak sauce in my opinion.

Weak or not. A sprain is a micro ligament tear. There is no point to risk a patella rupture here. One week of rest is sufficient time for his body to heal up.

Which is what I said If he is injured he should sit until he is healed. The debate is whether he shouldn’t play the remainder of the season healthy or not, which is what I’m disagreeing with.

[madvillian]

So you want him to risk him a serious injury? Why? Think long term.

Why stop there? We should sit Lauri and Otto as well. Hell, every half decent player who is on a team out of the playoffs should sit. It’s ridiculous how easily these players sit these days. Not saying Zach shouldn’t sit a few games while he is injured, however, once he is no longer injured and feels good enough to play, he should.

Players used to beg to play, hide being hurt to play, play through niggling injuries for the fans. Now it’s all about conserving yourself since in the standings you have nothing to play for, don’t risk injury and God’s forbid, don’t worry about those fans who save their hard earned cash to maybe watch that one game in their life, but misses out seeing his favourite player because they aren’t in playoff contention and doesn’t warm to risk injury - that’s weak sauce in my opinion.

Weak or not. A sprain is a micro ligament tear. There is no point to risk a patella rupture here. One week of rest is sufficient time for his body to heal up.

I'd let Zach determine when he'll play and when he doesn't but I'd like to see him limited to 30 minutes a game from here on out. There's no reason to push it. Let him rest. Tendonitus is common and tendons are different than ligaments injury wise but the rest of your post is spot on.

[dice]

Zach isn't a perfect player, but to even insinuate trading him is a good idea is silly.

isn't it silly to pooh-pooh the idea when you don't even know what you're getting in return?

[WindyCityBorn]

I don't want to shut anyone down. Play on

So you want him to risk him a serious injury? Why? Think long term.

Why stop there? We should sit Lauri and Otto as well. Hell, every half decent player who is on a team out of the playoffs should sit. It’s ridiculous how easily these players sit these days. Not saying Zach shouldn’t sit a few games while he is injured, however, once he is no longer injured and feels good enough to play, he should.

Players used to beg to play, hide being hurt to play, play through niggling injuries for the fans. Now it’s all about conserving yourself since in the standings you have nothing to play for, don’t risk injury and God’s forbid, don’t worry about those fans who save their hard earned cash to maybe watch that one game in their life, but misses out seeing his favourite player because they aren’t in playoff contention and doesn’t warm to risk injury - that’s weak sauce in my opinion.

He is already injured though. This isn't prevention. It's common sense. Porter is gimpy too. Give him some rest days as well. I'm throwing in the towel and management should too. If he does come back after two weeks of so minutes restriction for the rest of season.

[bearadonisdna]

Agreed it not good to have defeatist attitude but it’s also reasonable to pull the plug on the season almost at any given point because it has been turbulent.

[GimmeDat]

There's a legitimate injury concern here, so we should play it conservatively. We can beat out CLE for that #3 spot as well, added incentive. We know what this group is capable of healthy now, so let's not 'shut it down' but turn the dial down.

[kulaz3000]

There's a legitimate injury concern here, so we should play it conservatively. We can beat out CLE for that #3 spot as well, added incentive. We know what this group is capable of healthy now, so let's not 'shut it down' but turn the dial down.

My only gripe is simply shutting him down at the first sign of injury.

He is injured which is why he hasn't played the last game, and likely won't play the next few. However, if he recovers before seasons end, I don't buy into the notion that we should simply shut him down. I'd be happy if the Bulls decides to limit his minutes, but not shut him down entirely.