Bulls 2nd Round Pick Merged

[HomoSapien]

Seriously, why do people expect that this player would make the roster?

At #38, you're possibly looking at a player who won't agree to a non guaranteed deal IMO. That means you'd have to give it to him before seeing him in summer league even.

He has to compete for between 1 and 3 roster spots with:

Shaq Harrison
Walter Lemon
Arci
Samspson, etc
Legit vet minimum players from around the league

I find it unlikely that a player is available at 38 who will command a guaranteed roster spot over these other players without even playing in summer league.

The guys you listed are all fringe NBA players. It's not unrealistic for a high second round pick to make the team over those guys. After spending most of the season in the G-League, I would wager that Sampson and Walter Lemon could be signed to a 2-way deal. Also, while I like both Arci and Shaq, we should eventually pick between the two. Dunn is probably coming off the bench next year, and we'll either draft or sign our starting point guard. No need to carry 4 point guards.

[HomoSapien]

There's going to be some interesting options at 38. Here's my target list:

Naz Reid
Mattisse Thybulle
PJ Washington
Carsen Edwards
Jontay Porter
Tacko Fall
Luka Samanic

I think half of these guys have near lottery talent, but all have the ability to be key role players.

[johnnyvann840]

Seriously, why do people expect that this player would make the roster?

At #38, you're possibly looking at a player who won't agree to a non guaranteed deal IMO. That means you'd have to give it to him before seeing him in summer league even.

He has to compete for between 1 and 3 roster spots with:

Shaq Harrison
Walter Lemon
Arci
Samspson, etc
Legit vet minimum players from around the league

I find it unlikely that a player is available at 38 who will command a guaranteed roster spot over these other players without even playing in summer league.

I'll take any player I named in my above post over any of those guys 8 days a week. I named like 18 2nd rounder over the last few drafts that are all better than at least 5 guys that were on the Bulls roster this past season.

What I'm saying is that you have better odds than ever today to score or even score big on a 2nd rounder. The talent pool is twice what it used to be and players are even younger with less experience so evaluations are murky, at best on many. At least take those tickets and redeem them... let them play in SL or bring them into camp and see what you have at least.

[johnnyvann840]

There's going to be some interesting options at 38. Here's my target list:

Naz Reid
Mattisse Thybulle
PJ Washington
Carsen Edwards
Jontay Porter
Tacko Fall
Luka Samanic

I think half of these guys have near lottery talent, but all have the ability to be key role players.

Yes. The landscape has changed and you need every chance at a look at as many players as you can. 2nd round picks give you a lot of flexibility because they do not have to be signed to scaled slots. Teams are building more and more using these guys and some teams are scoring big with pieces like Green or Jokic or so many others. Sure, you aren't always going to get Kris Middleton, or Malcolm Brogdon, or Draymond Green, or Nikola Jokic or Dinwiddie, but these types of players are making an impact on some of the better teams today, more so than ever before.

[GimmeDat]

Luka Samanic's name's definitely rising. He had great pedigree as a 16 year old, went off the map a little bit, but it sounds like he's showing a lot during the combine.

The talk is he's 'solidifed himself as a 1st rounder' but I could definitely see him sliding to the early 2nd. At a mobile 6'11, he's interesting 4/5 piece.

[panthermark]

Luka Samanic's name's definitely rising. He had great pedigree as a 16 year old, went off the map a little bit, but it sounds like he's showing a lot during the combine.

The talk is he's 'solidifed himself as a 1st rounder' but I could definitely see him sliding to the early 2nd. At a mobile 6'11, he's interesting 4/5 piece.

I've already taken him off my list. He won't be there when we pick in the 2nd.

[othawhitemeat]

There's going to be some interesting options at 38. Here's my target list:

Naz Reid
Mattisse Thybulle
PJ Washington
Carsen Edwards
Jontay Porter
Tacko Fall
Luka Samanic

I think half of these guys have near lottery talent, but all have the ability to be key role players.

Not big on Reid as for motor a d Porter due to injuries. Really like PJ Washington as he reminds me of Taj with a 3. Also loke others and add Cameron Johnson. Can shpot and long wing span.

[Chi town]

Tankathon has us taking Louis King from Oregon. Like that pick a lot. High ceiling.

[samwana]

Which of the projected 2nd rounders did sign with Mark Bartelstein? Maybe that could be an indication?

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[PrimzyBulls81]

I've warmed up to the idea of Fall. He hasn't played basketball that long. But I think he has situational potential. And you can't teach a 10' 2" wingspan. He would need to work very hard on his strength and foot work. But he could be a real threat down low with alley-oops and put back dunks. He's probably needs a year in the "G" League to get sufficient playing time to improve. Would he go for that? But by the time we could rid ourselves of Felicio's contract Fall might be ready to give us 15 minutes a game at the "5" off the bench. Play him against the other teams' bench players. He's a second rounder. Has unicorn length. Why not take a chance?

With these bigs, there is always the question of whether or not they can keep up with the pace of today's NBA and not end up with foot problems.

Don't know if anyone has the answer. I'd think that one of the shoe companies would have found a solution, but we keep seeing it happen.

With that said, I think that Lauri, Zach and OPJ need a low-post-presence (LPO) to open up the court for their 3P shooting.
So, if the Bulls are not planning to bring back RoLo they should definitely try to get this guy.

Bol Bol is not a center in my opinion. Maybe after 3 years of putting on muscle he might be any answer, but not immediately.

Fall could give 10-15 minutes a game and have an immediate impact.

This is my pick as well. Boom/bust, but I feel like the alternative is drafting a wing who, best case scenario, is like 10-15% better than TLC/Seldon/Sampson.

I wouldnt risk drafting Fall or Bol,rather go after SF or PF

[PrimzyBulls81]

Anyone of Louis King, PJ Washington, Luka Samanic, Chuma Okeke, Naz Reid, Kris Wilkes -- would be nice early 2nd round picks

btw. Dylan Windler - can he defend or another Doug? He has impressive stats,even with rebounds..

[HomoSapien]

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I was pretty intrigued by Naz early in the season, skill level seemed really high, big, could shoot. But he's hopeless on D and a really poor athlete. It's not like he was absolutely elite offensively to make up for it either, and while he can handle and do some unique things with it in his hands, his A/TO ratio is really horrific also, would like to see him be able to pass the rock given his archetype. I've come to the conlusion that there's way better C's available in our range (gonna make a seperate post below).

[othawhitemeat]

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Extremely talented but is the motor there. Usually, 2nd round picks that workout have an amazing motor or extremely efficient players. Michael Redd, Manu, Draymond Green, Boozer, Isaiah Thomas for a while, Jokic, Brogdon, Millsap, Gasol, Rodman, and tons more. He is very skilled and shows flashes, but wonder about that consistency.

[GimmeDat]

So there's a glut of bigs in the late 1st/early 2nd. There's also not that many teams that are all going to take C's, I imagine.

Grant Williams
Bruno Fernando
Killian Tillie
Mfiondu Kabangele
Daniel Gafford
Nic Claxton
Jontay Porter
Luka Samanic

There's also Charles Bassey and Isiaiah Roby, both of watch I'm okay but not happy about at 38.. feel like there'd be better talent available.

But of that first crop, there's surely someone that drops.

G.Williams is super polished, seen him top 10 a fair few boards. His production speaks for itself.

Fernando is a super athlete, top notch motor, defense needs work but potential on that end (can move his feet, blocked 2.5 shots per 40). Some elements of his game remind me of Harrell.

Killian Tillie can play the 4 or 5, underrated defender, elite shooter, some offensive versatility, can pass. A lot to like with his game and injury issues might hurt his stock a bit.

Kabengele is long, big build, good athlete, can move his feet as well as rim protect (2.8 bp/40), high motor, can stretch the floor (37.5% from 3 over 2 seasons), was super productive. Only negative seems to be the non-existent assist rate.

Claxton is a big riser, talk is he's solidified 1st round stock (which means others in this list more likely to drop), late growth spurt guy, moves incredibly well, elite defensive potential (can stick with guards and blocks 3+ shots per 40). Shot has some potential, assist rate spiked a bit in 2nd year.

Gafford is what he is, super athlete, low IQ/feel but will dunk everything and block shots. If a team is good at maximizing rim runner types then he can have a lot of value.

Jontay is a lottery pick when healthy, top 5 on some boards I've seen. x2 ACL's is a killer though, could bump him to the 2nd round.

Samanic's stock's clearly risen, again, 1st round chatter for him atm, he's playing really well at the combine, mobile, good skill level.

Basically, if any of these guys are there at 38, we should take them.

[JohnnyTapwater]

Gafford would be such a steal in the 2nd round. I just don't see him falling to the 2nd.

[NecessaryEvil]

Tankathon has us taking Louis King from Oregon. Like that pick a lot. High ceiling.

I like that kid alot. He was projected to be a lotto pick before the season started.

I think he could be a steal at #38

[StunnerKO]

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Like Charles Matthews defense and he’s from the chi will continue to legacy of Chicago defenders . He’s my pick at 38

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• Standing reach: 8'7" (tied for second out of 31 guards)

• Height without shoes: 6'5" (third out of 31)

• Weight: 194.8 pounds (14th out of 30)

• Wingspan: 6'9.5" (tied for sixth out of 31)

• Body fat percentage: 3.80 percent (first out of 30)

• Standing vertical leap: 29.5 inches (tied for 12th out of 20)

• Max vertical leap: 37.5 inches (11th out of 20)

• Shuttle run: 3.24 seconds (18th out of 20)

• Lane agility: 11.26 seconds (17th out of 20)

• Three quarter sprint: 3.35 seconds (15th out of 19)

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[bigworld2017]

Anyone of Louis King, PJ Washington, Luka Samanic, Chuma Okeke, Naz Reid, Kris Wilkes -- would be nice early 2nd round picks

btw. Dylan Windler - can he defend or another Doug? He has impressive stats,even with rebounds..

Reading the combine reports it seems that Windler is testing out pretty well athletically. If he's there at #38 he'd be worth a try. I think he'll be gone very early in the 2nd.