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Re: Around the NBA 18/19 thread 4 

Post#401 » by Mech Engineer » Fri May 24, 2019 4:18 am

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Mech Engineer wrote:I would support Toronto any day the way they have built their team compared to the 76ers.


You could say the same about the Bucks though too..... and the Warriors really.. and the Rockets... and the Nuggets... and the Blazers...


But, the other teams except maybe the Blazers haven't gone through the heartbreaks in the playoffs like Toronto. Most GMs would have decided, that's it...we are going to trade all vets and just rebuild from the draft. And, Rockets, Blazers have had superstar type guys on their team but Toronto was the laughing stock every playoffs. Heck, didn't Bulls fans want Toronto when they were fighting for a playoff spot?
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Post#402 » by johnnyvann840 » Fri May 24, 2019 4:20 am

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johnnyvann840 wrote:Malcolm Brogdon having a night.. Man, I want this kid on the Bulls. I would throw the max at him. I think of all the FA's out there, he has the chance bust into stardom in the right situation. I would even offer Lavine up for him if it were possible to do a S & T with the Bucks. If we threw say 4/100 at Brogdon and gave them Lavine, maybe the bite and we get a two way player who fits our roster and has, IMO, better real upside when it comes to winning.


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Well, I would throw 4/100 at him and make Milwaukee really think hard. I think they still might match that.
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Post#403 » by johnnyvann840 » Fri May 24, 2019 4:28 am

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johnnyvann840 wrote:Malcolm Brogdon having a night.. Man, I want this kid on the Bulls. I would throw the max at him. I think of all the FA's out there, he has the chance bust into stardom in the right situation. I would even offer Lavine up for him if it were possible to do a S & T with the Bucks. If we threw say 4/100 at Brogdon and gave them Lavine, maybe the bite and we get a two way player who fits our roster and has, IMO, better real upside when it comes to winning.

Brogdon is a good player but I think your over rating him here. Throw a max at a player who is a 3rd or 4th option on the bucks? Trade Zach too for him ? cmon lol.


OK, maybe not max, but 4/90 or maybe even 4/100.

I think Brogdon is so much better of an all around player than Lavine. He's a year and a half older but so what. He hasn't hit his peak yet and he's gone unnoticed for the most part. I would do that trade in a millisecond. Not sure Milwaukee would though. They would be idiots. Brogdon averaged just about 20/6/4 per 36 this season and did it with great defense and high efficiency basically as a 6th man or a 4th or 5th option with the starters. 50/40/90 club also. You know how many players in history belong to that elite shooting club? ANd it's not some fluky season or run.. it's about his career average! He's an all around player. I've posted it before but check out his impact on a top NBA team too...

http://www.82games.com/1819/18MIL10.HTM#onoff

Zach barely moves the needle when his replacements are marginal NBA players on one of the worst teams in the league. HUGE difference in impacting wins and losses there.

I just think sometimes you have to take the chance on a player like that who checks all the boxes and hasn't been put in the situation to really shine yet.
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Post#404 » by wonderboy2 » Fri May 24, 2019 5:03 am

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johnnyvann840 wrote:Malcolm Brogdon having a night.. Man, I want this kid on the Bulls. I would throw the max at him. I think of all the FA's out there, he has the chance bust into stardom in the right situation. I would even offer Lavine up for him if it were possible to do a S & T with the Bucks. If we threw say 4/100 at Brogdon and gave them Lavine, maybe the bite and we get a two way player who fits our roster and has, IMO, better real upside when it comes to winning.

Brogdon is a good player but I think your over rating him here. Throw a max at a player who is a 3rd or 4th option on the bucks? Trade Zach too for him ? cmon lol.


I think Brogdon is so much better of an all around player than Lavine. He's a year and a half older but so what. He hasn't hit his peak yet and he's gone unnoticed for the most part. I would do that trade in a millisecond. Not sure Milwaukee would though. They would be idiots. Brogdon averaged just about 20/6/4 per 36 this season and did it with great defense and high efficiency. 50/40/90 club also. You know how many players in history belong to that elite shooting club? ANd it's not some fluky season or run.. it's about his career average! He's an all around player. I've posted it before but check out his impact on a top NBA team too...

http://www.82games.com/1819/18MIL10.HTM#onoff

Zach barely moves the needle when his replacements are marginal NBA players on one of the worst teams in the league. HUGE difference in impacting wins and losses there.

I just think sometimes you have to take the chance on a player like that who checks all the boxes and hasn't been put in the situation to really shine yet.

Who cares just sign Brogdon and keep Zach Lavine. They would be perfect together. They would be a very good backcourt. Brogdon-Lavine- Porter-Markannan-Carter would be unbelievable. Imo Lavine is still the best player in that line up and has the most potential but who cares if you have all 5 of them.
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Post#405 » by johnnyvann840 » Fri May 24, 2019 5:10 am

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Red8911 wrote:Brogdon is a good player but I think your over rating him here. Throw a max at a player who is a 3rd or 4th option on the bucks? Trade Zach too for him ? cmon lol.


I think Brogdon is so much better of an all around player than Lavine. He's a year and a half older but so what. He hasn't hit his peak yet and he's gone unnoticed for the most part. I would do that trade in a millisecond. Not sure Milwaukee would though. They would be idiots. Brogdon averaged just about 20/6/4 per 36 this season and did it with great defense and high efficiency. 50/40/90 club also. You know how many players in history belong to that elite shooting club? ANd it's not some fluky season or run.. it's about his career average! He's an all around player. I've posted it before but check out his impact on a top NBA team too...

http://www.82games.com/1819/18MIL10.HTM#onoff

Zach barely moves the needle when his replacements are marginal NBA players on one of the worst teams in the league. HUGE difference in impacting wins and losses there.

I just think sometimes you have to take the chance on a player like that who checks all the boxes and hasn't been put in the situation to really shine yet.

Who cares just sign Brogdon and keep Zach Lavine. They would be perfect together. They would be a very good backcourt. Brogdon-Lavine- Porter-Markannan-Carter would be unbelievable. Imo Lavine is still the best player in that line up and has the most potential but who cares if you have all 5 of them.


I would be fine with that too. I'm just thinking of a way to make the Bucks move off of him and structured right that would save them like $6M per year and make it easier to keep most of their team together and they pick up a dynamic athletic player who can score big points. I think somebody mentioned that it couldn't be done per the CBA, for some reason though. Can't remember what the reasoning was.
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Post#406 » by dice » Fri May 24, 2019 5:14 am

is the nba no longer doing the playoffs floor logo thing or did they forget tonight because it was in milwaukee? adds a little gravitas
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Post#407 » by kulaz3000 » Fri May 24, 2019 5:37 am

dice wrote:is the nba no longer doing the playoffs floor logo thing or did they forget tonight because it was in milwaukee? adds a little gravitas


I don't think they have for several season now.

Yeah, I don't know why they stopped, because the playoffs and finals logo was always cool to see. I'm not entirely sure why they stopped doing it.

Found this: https://the-cauldron.com/where-did-the-nba-playoffs-decals-go-5794cfbde3c4
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Post#408 » by dice » Fri May 24, 2019 5:42 am

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dice wrote:is the nba no longer doing the playoffs floor logo thing or did they forget tonight because it was in milwaukee? adds a little gravitas


I don't think they have for several season now.

Yeah, I don't know why they stopped, because the playoffs and finals logo was always cool to see. I'm not entirely sure why they stopped doing it.

Found this: https://the-cauldron.com/where-did-the-nba-playoffs-decals-go-5794cfbde3c4

it should be painted on. have the whole offseason to remove it/paint over it!
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Post#409 » by dumbell78 » Fri May 24, 2019 5:52 am

I think guys slipping on those stick on logos was a concern. I agree, they should just paint them on.
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Post#410 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Fri May 24, 2019 6:01 am

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Polynice4Pippen wrote:I'm shocked Toronto has come back like this in the series, they're supporting cast looked absolutely inept for about 2 and a half games. But Middleton and Niko have gone MIA, and Giannis hasn't been dominant.


Yes. You can put me on the list of people that thought it was over and done with three games ago now here we are.

Mad props to Toronto.


Yup me three. I'm kinda shocked actually.


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Post#411 » by jc23 » Fri May 24, 2019 6:07 am

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Post#412 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri May 24, 2019 6:19 am

Remember when Butler was better than Paul George? That didn't last long.
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Post#413 » by dice » Fri May 24, 2019 6:33 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:Remember when Butler was better than Paul George? That didn't last long.

it arguably lasted from PGs injury through last season (4 years)
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Post#414 » by johnnyvann840 » Fri May 24, 2019 7:10 am

I think Brogdon can be had this summer. The Bulls would just have to be willing to over pay what the market might be... Dallas, Indiana and Utah seem to be the teams that are going to throw money his way but not the kind of money I think the Bulls should in order to not get matched. Dallas was talking between $15-20M per and I'm sure the Bucks would do everything they could to match that,but it seems they might be in a tougher spot than many think... I think 4/90 might just get it done and I would pay that for him.

I thought this was an interesting article from the Ringer this week... here are some excerpts....

Malcolm Brogdon has been a cheat code in the playoffs. The Bucks went from good to great when he returned from a plantar fasciitis injury four games ago. Their net rating with him on the floor (plus-24.8 in 105 minutes) doesn’t even seem real. Milwaukee still has another level it can reach: It has been using Brogdon as its sixth man since he came back. Bucks head coach Mike Budenholzer said that he wants to keep Brogdon in that role even after they lost Game 3 of the Eastern Conference finals on Sunday, but moving him back into the starting lineup is his trump card if the series gets any closer. He would be even more important in a potential NBA Finals matchup with Golden State. It could be the perfect showcase for Brogdon, who will be a restricted free agent this summer.

Brogdon, a second-round pick in 2016, will be in line for a massive raise after playing on a minimum contract the last three seasons. He’s one of the most complete guards in the NBA. It just took a new coaching staff in Milwaukee for people to realize it. Like Khris Middleton, Brogdon was a victim of the mismanagement of the previous regime. He was known mostly for backing into the Rookie of the Year Award in 2016-17, beating out Joel Embiid primarily because the oft-injured big man only appeared in 31 games. It was hard for Brogdon to make a name for himself last season: How good could a secondary option on a team that won 44 games and lost in the first round really be? The reality, as we saw this season, is that a team with enough talent to make Brogdon the fourth or fifth option should be one of the best in the NBA.

Brogdon reached the Valhalla of shooters this season: Shooting higher than 50 percent from the field, 40 percent from 3, and 90 perfect from the free throw line. There have only been 14 seasons in NBA history where a player has hit those benchmarks. Brogdon is the first since Steph Curry in 2015-16. And he’s not just a shooting specialist, either. Brogdon was a point forward in college: He can handle the ball, shoot off the dribble, and make plays on the move. There are no good options for the defense when he is playing off the ball. He can drain open 3s or attack closeouts and create open 3s for someone else. He’s a smart player who rarely gets sped up or makes bad decisions, averaging 3.2 assists on only 1.4 turnovers per game this season.

A player who shoots and passes as well as Brogdon is a force multiplier. He can slide into almost any role in the offense. He was the fifth option in their starting lineup behind Giannis Antetokounmpo, Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, and Brook Lopez in the regular season, and there were large stretches of games where he was the second option on the second unit. He can handle any amount of offensive responsibility in between.....

.......Brogdon will have a lot to play for over the next few weeks. He isn’t one of the headliners in this year’s free agent class, but he would be a great consolation prize for any team with cap space. Three stand out: Utah, Dallas, and Indiana. Brogdon could be a great secondary option behind Donovan Mitchell, Luka Doncic, or Victor Oladipo. There aren’t many free agents who can create their own shot, run the offense, space the floor, and defend multiple positions without disrupting the locker room. Brogdon is the kind of player that any coach would love: a wise-beyond-his-years 26-year-old who founded a charity that builds wells in East Africa and is known as “The President” by his college teammates.

Brogdon should get a long-term contract for more than $15 million a season. The issue for Milwaukee is whether they can give that much money to someone with such a small role in the offense. They don’t need Brogdon in the regular season: They can plug in a more limited shooter like Pat Connaughton and Sterling Brown and be fine. He only becomes crucial when they advance in the playoffs and every player’s weaknesses are magnified. There’s no basketball reason to let a player like Brogdon walk for nothing, but keeping a legitimate championship contender together over the long haul is also incredibly expensive. Just ask Golden State and Cleveland, who paid massive luxury tax penalties over the last few seasons.

The ownership group in Milwaukee will have to dig deep into their pockets this summer. Almost every key player in their rotation will be a free agent: Middleton, Brogdon, Lopez, Mirotic, and Hill. They gave Bledsoe a four-year, $70 million extension in March, which means just keeping Middleton, Lopez, and Brogdon will push them deep into the luxury tax. Middleton will get a max contract from someone, while Lopez, who is on a one-year, $3.4 million contract, is almost as underpaid as Brogdon. Hill ($19 million) and Mirotic ($12.5 million) would have to take deep pay cuts to stay in any scenario. This is where handing out big contracts to Bledsoe and Tony Snell (player option for $12.2 million in 2021-22) could haunt the Bucks. .................


https://www.theringer.com/2019/5/21/18633361/malcolm-brogdon-bucks-raptors-warriors
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Post#415 » by TheGOATRises007 » Fri May 24, 2019 7:15 am

kulaz3000 wrote:The Raptors GM made a ballsy move, but seemingly made the correct move in trading for Leonard. I said it before, it was a win win situation. They make a run and have a year to pitch Leonard to stay, if not, make the most of the one season, and rebuild from scratch because the previous rendition of the team weren't going to go anywhere anyway.

When you have a chance at acquiring a player like Leonard who is an undisputed top 5 player in the league, no matter which way you spin it, you always have to go for it. That said, considering that the Spurs were seeking an established star in return, the Bulls were never going to be in the mix for such a player. But it doesn't mean that other teams would have the same parameters to make a deal; this is why you do what it takes to go for a player like AD, even if it means sending away Lauri, and some other assets, you need to go for it.


So I agree with you, but Kawhi's always been better than AD to me personally.

But yeah great move from Masai.
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Post#416 » by TheGOATRises007 » Fri May 24, 2019 7:16 am

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Payt10 wrote:Kawhi proving that he's the best player on the planet.



Hate how things went down between the Spurs and him....

But yeah, Kawhi is that dude.

His play throughout the playoffs has been reminiscent of Jordan in the way he completely takes over.


He reminds me so much of 2nd 3-peat MJ. The resemblance is uncanny honestly.
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Post#417 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri May 24, 2019 7:30 am

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WindyCityBorn wrote:Remember when Butler was better than Paul George? That didn't last long.

it arguably lasted from PGs injury through last season (4 years)


I would have taken George over Butler last season too.
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Post#418 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri May 24, 2019 7:33 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:I think Brogdon can be had this summer. The Bulls would just have to be willing to over pay what the market might be... Dallas, Indiana and Utah seem to be the teams that are going to throw money his way but not the kind of money I think the Bulls should in order to not get matched. Dallas was talking between $15-20M per and I'm sure the Bucks would do everything they could to match that,but it seems they might be in a tougher spot than many think... I think 4/90 might just get it done and I would pay that for him.

I thought this was an interesting article from the Ringer this week... here are some excerpts....

Malcolm Brogdon has been a cheat code in the playoffs. The Bucks went from good to great when he returned from a plantar fasciitis injury four games ago. Their net rating with him on the floor (plus-24.8 in 105 minutes) doesn’t even seem real. Milwaukee still has another level it can reach: It has been using Brogdon as its sixth man since he came back. Bucks head coach Mike Budenholzer said that he wants to keep Brogdon in that role even after they lost Game 3 of the Eastern Conference finals on Sunday, but moving him back into the starting lineup is his trump card if the series gets any closer. He would be even more important in a potential NBA Finals matchup with Golden State. It could be the perfect showcase for Brogdon, who will be a restricted free agent this summer.

Brogdon, a second-round pick in 2016, will be in line for a massive raise after playing on a minimum contract the last three seasons. He’s one of the most complete guards in the NBA. It just took a new coaching staff in Milwaukee for people to realize it. Like Khris Middleton, Brogdon was a victim of the mismanagement of the previous regime. He was known mostly for backing into the Rookie of the Year Award in 2016-17, beating out Joel Embiid primarily because the oft-injured big man only appeared in 31 games. It was hard for Brogdon to make a name for himself last season: How good could a secondary option on a team that won 44 games and lost in the first round really be? The reality, as we saw this season, is that a team with enough talent to make Brogdon the fourth or fifth option should be one of the best in the NBA.

Brogdon reached the Valhalla of shooters this season: Shooting higher than 50 percent from the field, 40 percent from 3, and 90 perfect from the free throw line. There have only been 14 seasons in NBA history where a player has hit those benchmarks. Brogdon is the first since Steph Curry in 2015-16. And he’s not just a shooting specialist, either. Brogdon was a point forward in college: He can handle the ball, shoot off the dribble, and make plays on the move. There are no good options for the defense when he is playing off the ball. He can drain open 3s or attack closeouts and create open 3s for someone else. He’s a smart player who rarely gets sped up or makes bad decisions, averaging 3.2 assists on only 1.4 turnovers per game this season.

A player who shoots and passes as well as Brogdon is a force multiplier. He can slide into almost any role in the offense. He was the fifth option in their starting lineup behind Giannis Antetokounmpo, Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, and Brook Lopez in the regular season, and there were large stretches of games where he was the second option on the second unit. He can handle any amount of offensive responsibility in between.....

.......Brogdon will have a lot to play for over the next few weeks. He isn’t one of the headliners in this year’s free agent class, but he would be a great consolation prize for any team with cap space. Three stand out: Utah, Dallas, and Indiana. Brogdon could be a great secondary option behind Donovan Mitchell, Luka Doncic, or Victor Oladipo. There aren’t many free agents who can create their own shot, run the offense, space the floor, and defend multiple positions without disrupting the locker room. Brogdon is the kind of player that any coach would love: a wise-beyond-his-years 26-year-old who founded a charity that builds wells in East Africa and is known as “The President” by his college teammates.

Brogdon should get a long-term contract for more than $15 million a season. The issue for Milwaukee is whether they can give that much money to someone with such a small role in the offense. They don’t need Brogdon in the regular season: They can plug in a more limited shooter like Pat Connaughton and Sterling Brown and be fine. He only becomes crucial when they advance in the playoffs and every player’s weaknesses are magnified. There’s no basketball reason to let a player like Brogdon walk for nothing, but keeping a legitimate championship contender together over the long haul is also incredibly expensive. Just ask Golden State and Cleveland, who paid massive luxury tax penalties over the last few seasons.

The ownership group in Milwaukee will have to dig deep into their pockets this summer. Almost every key player in their rotation will be a free agent: Middleton, Brogdon, Lopez, Mirotic, and Hill. They gave Bledsoe a four-year, $70 million extension in March, which means just keeping Middleton, Lopez, and Brogdon will push them deep into the luxury tax. Middleton will get a max contract from someone, while Lopez, who is on a one-year, $3.4 million contract, is almost as underpaid as Brogdon. Hill ($19 million) and Mirotic ($12.5 million) would have to take deep pay cuts to stay in any scenario. This is where handing out big contracts to Bledsoe and Tony Snell (player option for $12.2 million in 2021-22) could haunt the Bucks. .................


https://www.theringer.com/2019/5/21/18633361/malcolm-brogdon-bucks-raptors-warriors


If anything they will let Middleton walk and keep Brogdon. I think they will regret signing Bledsoe early. I don't think $22.5 million is enough regardless.
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Post#419 » by TheGOATRises007 » Fri May 24, 2019 7:35 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:Remember when Butler was better than Paul George? That didn't last long.


He was better than him for a few seasons.

And even this RS where PG was better, Butler arguably outperformed him in the playoffs.

Neither are good enough to be the #1 guy on a title winning team.
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Post#420 » by TheGOATRises007 » Fri May 24, 2019 7:37 am

Brogdon would be great. Wonder who the Bucks let walk(probably Middleton).

That Bledsoe contract was a huge mishap from the Bucks. He had a good RS, but he's been downright awful in the playoffs.

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