Paul George trade. what a haul for the Thunder

petebraun0 · Post #1 » by **petebraun0** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:31 pm

"There was also some speculation that there was a delay in the deals because the Clippers were trying to work something else into them. It’s possible that was the case, but if so, such moves appear to have fallen apart, as the Paul George trade remains the same as it was Friday night: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, the Clippers 1st round picks in 2022, 2024, and 2026 pick swaps in 2023 and 2025, and the Heat picks in 2021 and 2023."

Seems like the Thunder get about five first-round picks, and two pick swaps. They will have a nice youth movement and nice depth over the next six years. And SGA is a good player.

Did we not get enough in return for Butler? Seems like we should not have had to give up our number 16 pick to Minny. All-Stars and Superstars command extreme returns.

Who won this trade?

Where will the Thunder be picking around every year?
Will they have two first-round picks every year for the next six years?

I'd say that the Thunder did well. There picks will be on the lowside, but it seems if they scout well; they will find some good players.

Post #2 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:36 pm

petebraun0 wrote:"There was also some speculation that there was a delay in the deals because the Clippers were trying to work something else into them. It’s possible that was the case, but if so, such moves appear to have fallen apart, as the Paul George trade remains the same as it was Friday night: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, the Clippers 1st round picks in 2022, 2024, and 2026 pick swaps in 2023 and 2025, and the Heat picks in 2021 and 2023."

Seems like the Thunder get about five first-round picks, and two pick swaps. They will have a nice youth movement and nice depth over the next six years. And SGA is a good player.

Did we not get enough in return for Butler? Seems like we should not have had to give up our number 16 pick to Minny. All-Stars and Superstars command extreme returns.

Who won this trade?

Where will the Thunder be picking around every year?
Will they have two first-round picks every year for the next six years?

I'd say that the Thunder did well. There picks will be on the lowside, but it seems if they scout well; they will find some good players.

Not even close to the same situation as the Butler trade. OKC had LA over a barrell because they need PG to land Leonard too so LA was trading for 2 players. Butler is not PG nor Kawhi. Plus Presti turned up the heat on LAby getting Toronto in the fray, did the Bulls have a leverage team like that? No. Really rare situation. NOLA is a better example than what OKC did but they also had other suitors and another year to play the game with AD's contract. Once again all three of those players are a level above Jimmy too.

Post #3 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:36 pm

What OKC gets for Russ will be a better comparison point to Butler

Indomitable · Post #4 » by **Indomitable** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:43 pm

petebraun0 wrote:"There was also some speculation that there was a delay in the deals because the Clippers were trying to work something else into them. It’s possible that was the case, but if so, such moves appear to have fallen apart, as the Paul George trade remains the same as it was Friday night: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, the Clippers 1st round picks in 2022, 2024, and 2026 pick swaps in 2023 and 2025, and the Heat picks in 2021 and 2023."

Seems like the Thunder get about five first-round picks, and two pick swaps. They will have a nice youth movement and nice depth over the next six years. And SGA is a good player.

Did we not get enough in return for Butler? Seems like we should not have had to give up our number 16 pick to Minny. All-Stars and Superstars command extreme returns.

Who won this trade?

Where will the Thunder be picking around every year?
Will they have two first-round picks every year for the next six years?

I'd say that the Thunder did well. There picks will be on the lowside, but it seems if they scout well; they will find some good players.

Did we have the BEST player in the league dying to play with Jimmy. The SGA is only thing that will effect them this season. This feels like a team going for the ring.

We did fine for the position we were in.

MeloRoseNoah · Post #5 » by **MeloRoseNoah** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:36 pm

Also, it also depends on the landscape of the NBA. At the time of the Jimmy Butler deal, first rounders were being placed on a pedestal, as evident by the Celtics getting two good years of Irving for a broken midget and a lottery pick.

However, I think teams are done with tanking and the lottery game. They're going to compete for Ws now. So, good players are now being traded at a premium.

If I'm Paxson, I would be aggressive at this point in trading players that aren't in our long term plans for picks now.

pylb · Post #6 » by **pylb** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:50 pm

The thunder got a haul for pg, but for the clippers, making the trade was the only way they were signing kawhi. So it's almost like they were trading for kawhi + pg, and in that case what they gave up wasn't excessive.

Post #7 » by **Payt10** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:52 pm

It's a ton of picks, but like you mentioned, they are most likely all going to be late 1st rounders. It's not as good of a haul as it looks on paper. The one thing I don't really understand is why the Thunder were in such a rush to trade Paul George. They could have still traded Westbrook and or Adams and rebuilt around George.

Indomitable · Post #8 » by **Indomitable** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:55 pm

pylb wrote:The thunder got a haul for pg, but for the clippers, making the trade was the only way they were signing kawhi. So it's almost like they were trading for kawhi + pg, and in that case what they gave up wasn't excessive.

They were in it to win. Balmer wants that team to win. He is worth 40 billion dollars. He will blow past that luxury tax to keep them on target.

PS
Any chance Bill Gates is a Bulls fan.

Mech Engineer · Post #9 » by **Mech Engineer** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:11 pm

I don't think the Bulls could have got a lot more at that time but they were in a hurry to rebuild.

But, the Bulls do fall in love with some picks and players. They were in love with Dunn when you consider there was rumors about just swapping Jimmy for Dunn during Dunn's draft time.

Second, Hoiberg more than GarPax had destroyed a little bit of Jimmy's value. And, Pelicans had destroyed AD's value. You need to sell at the right time if you have your convictions right. The 76ers got a good wing player in a S & T for Jimmy. The Bulls had patience with Deng, Noah, Rose, Taj until their values plummeted but were in a hurry for Jimmy.

Now, some of you will bring up 'diva and Jimmy' issue but I don't think it matters. The timing was not right for that trade but it was organizational fatigue after so many bad decisions just like the Pelicans forcing them to do that deal at that time.

OKC was lucky but they also had a situation where Paul George's value was at its peak.

bullsnewdynasty · Post #10 » by **bullsnewdynasty** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:37 pm

I actually think it has the potential to be a KG/Pierce trade on steroids.

If Kawhi/PG leave in 2021, the Clippers are going to get bad very quickly and that trade could easily blow up in their face.

pipfan · Post #11 » by **pipfan** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:38 pm

Bulls did great for Butler-no worries that PG 13 got more. Different situation

League Circles · Post #12 » by **League Circles** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:49 pm

Paul George is quite possibly the 3rd best basketball player alive. Maybe as low as like 8th also, but hard to argue anyone other than Kawhi and Lebron are clearly ahead of him IMO.

Dan Z · Post #13 » by **Dan Z** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:58 pm

Payt10 wrote:It's a ton of picks, but like you mentioned, they are most likely all going to be late 1st rounders. It's not as good of a haul as it looks on paper. The one thing I don't really understand is why the Thunder were in such a rush to trade Paul George. They could have still traded Westbrook and or Adams and rebuilt around George.

Most likely? A lot can change in a few years. In two years time both Kawhi and PG can opt out of their contracts. In 2024 Kawhi will be 33 and PG will be 34. And OKC has a pick swap in 2025 plus they own the 2026 Clippers pick. On top of that they have an unprotected 2021 Miami pick and a protected 2023 Miami pick.

SGA is also a good young player and they might be able to flip Gallinari for some kind of asset.

MeloRoseNoah · Post #14 » by **MeloRoseNoah** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:07 pm

Indomitable wrote:They were in it to win. Balmer wants that team to win. He is worth 40 billion dollars. He will blow past that luxury tax to keep them on target.

PS
Any chance Bill Gates is a Bulls fan.

Bill and Melinda are more interested in solving world problems than investing in a sports team. If he's interested in buying a sports team, it would be a team in Seattle.

Unfortunately, Balmer is the only jock out of that group.

Indomitable · Post #15 » by **Indomitable** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:10 pm

MeloRoseNoah wrote:
Indomitable wrote:They were in it to win. Balmer wants that team to win. He is worth 40 billion dollars. He will blow past that luxury tax to keep them on target.

PS
Any chance Bill Gates is a Bulls fan.

Bill and Melinda are more interested in solving world problems than investing in a sports team. If he's interested in buying a sports team, it would be a team in Seattle.

Unfortunately, Balmer is the only jock out of that group.

I am aware of that. It was a joke. :roll:

ATRAIN53 · Post #16 » by **ATRAIN53** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:16 pm

I would trade our 1st round pick for the next 10 years if you told me we were trading it for a guy who will win us a title.

It's been 21 years, 21 1st round picks (maybe some trades) and ZERO titles.
We've drafted 3 All Stars in 21 years :cry:

Mech Engineer · Post #17 » by **Mech Engineer** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:23 pm

Picks are overrated. You get your star through free agency or trade. That is a guaranteed proven star. Even if Zion is going to be a superstar, the chances of him winning a title as the #1 option in a place other than New Orleans is higher.

By the time he develops, figures out the league...he will be someplace else.

aramada · Post #18 » by **aramada** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:41 pm

At the time of the trade it is what the situation calls for Clippers to get Kawhi and PG, but let’s be honest it’s championship or bust for Clips from here on. If they don’t win it all, they’d better get some similar assets back when breaking up the team, otherwise they trade may look very lopsided 3 years from now

Post #19 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:44 pm

If LaVine and Lauri make the all star game this year how good does the Bulls haul look even if Dunn busts out?

Indomitable · Post #20 » by **Indomitable** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:59 pm

ATRAIN53 wrote:I would trade our 1st round pick for the next 10 years if you told me we were trading it for a guy who will win us a title.

It's been 21 years, 21 1st round picks (maybe some trades) and ZERO titles.
We've drafted 3 All Stars in 21 years

Not true

Jimmy Butler
Ron Artest
Jamal Crawford
Elton Brand
Derrick Rose
Tyson Chandler