The Bulls should go after Sam Presti

Ayman78 · Post #1 » by **Ayman78** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:19 pm

This a simple proposal the Bulls need to consider moving Gar Forman to director of scouting and bring in Sam Presti currently the GM for the Thunder. Rational for all parties:

Bulls bring in a new set of eyes and has demonstrated the ability to acquire big time players while working in a small market.

Sam Presti gets a new start and possible long term security in the 3rd biggest market in the country.

OKC gets to start with a complete clean slate to take the team into the future.

I'd like to get your views on this topic. Thanks

Post #2 » by **dougthonus** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:24 pm

Presti has been a bit of an up and down guy for me, but overall I think he's pretty good.

panthermark · Post #3 » by **panthermark** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:31 pm

Ayman78 wrote:This a simple proposal the Bulls need to consider moving Gar Forman to director of scouting and bring in Sam Presti currently the GM for the Thunder. Rational for all parties:

Bulls bring in a new set of eyes and has demonstrated the ability to acquire big time players while working in a small market.

Sam Presti gets a new start and possible long term security in the 3rd biggest market in the country.

OKC gets to start with a complete clean slate to take the team into the future.

I'd like to get your views on this topic. Thanks

I'm not sure why OKC would want to get rid of him.

MrFortune3 · Post #4 » by **MrFortune3** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:33 pm

Why would Presti leave OKC to work for Reinsdorf?

jacoby1us · Post #5 » by **jacoby1us** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:41 pm

MrFortune3 wrote:Why would Presti leave OKC to work for Reinsdorf?

Bigger market.

Jcool0 · Post #6 » by **Jcool0** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:56 pm

jacoby1us wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:Why would Presti leave OKC to work for Reinsdorf?

Bigger market.

So?

jake_swivel · Post #7 » by **jake_swivel** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:08 pm

jacoby1us wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:Why would Presti leave OKC to work for Reinsdorf?

Bigger market.

Can’t see the upside of a bigger market if it doesn’t attract top tier free agents or have a front office that is more willing than normal to go into the luxury tax. Neither of which seem to be in Chicago’s favor.

OKC fans are weirdly pissed with him, though. As an Oklahoman, I think most of the upset fans are newish NBA fans who don’t understand much beyond what happens on the court. And not even that a lot of times. They’re spoiled OU football fans who think they should be elite every year.

Mech Engineer · Post #8 » by **Mech Engineer** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:19 pm

I am not so sure about Presti. He has been better than GarPax but he had 3 young HOF talents and somehow didn't come away with even 1 championship. He has been good or lucky with draft picks but he has not been able to build the right teams. He has struggled to figure out building a good basketball team. He has struggled to hire the right coaches.

All that said, the Bulls need to move on from GarPax for him to come to Chicago. There is no chance of that happening. If you are OKC and you have all those picks, who else will you trust with those picks?

I will say this. He fits Reinsdorf criteria in some ways. He is not overly flashy and depends on draft picks(cheap talent) which is what Reinsdorf wants. Plus, he is used to managing based on small market(limited spending) expectations. This might fit in with the Reinsdorfs.

TheStig · Post #9 » by **TheStig** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:19 pm

jake_swivel wrote:
jacoby1us wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:Why would Presti leave OKC to work for Reinsdorf?

Bigger market.

Can’t see the upside of a bigger market if it doesn’t attract top tier free agents or have a front office that is more willing than normal to go into the luxury tax. Neither of which seem to be in Chicago’s favor.

OKC fans are weirdly pissed with him, though. As an Oklahoman, I think most of the upset fans are newish NBA fans who don’t understand much beyond what happens on the court. And not even that a lot of times. They’re spoiled OU football fans who think they should be elite every year.

I think Chicago would attract more top tier talent if they had a excellent FO and got good young talent.

I'm not sure Presti is that guy though. He's done some good stuff and made some bad moves.

Chicago-Bull-E · Post #10 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:22 pm

jacoby1us wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:Why would Presti leave OKC to work for Reinsdorf?

Bigger market.

Presti isn’t an idiot. Chicago acts as a smaller market team than the Thunder.

jake_swivel · Post #11 » by **jake_swivel** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:24 pm

TheStig wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
jacoby1us wrote:
Bigger market.

Can’t see the upside of a bigger market if it doesn’t attract top tier free agents or have a front office that is more willing than normal to go into the luxury tax. Neither of which seem to be in Chicago’s favor.

OKC fans are weirdly pissed with him, though. As an Oklahoman, I think most of the upset fans are newish NBA fans who don’t understand much beyond what happens on the court. And not even that a lot of times. They’re spoiled OU football fans who think they should be elite every year.

I think Chicago would attract more top tier talent if they had a excellent FO and got good young talent.

I'm not sure Presti is that guy though. He's done some good stuff and made some bad moves.

They were well regarded in the mid 2000s and still ended up with Booz and Ben Wallace.

MeloRoseNoah · Post #12 » by **MeloRoseNoah** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:26 pm

Sam Presti is elite in two facets of GMing:

1) Trading
2) Drafting young talent

I would cream in my pants for Sam Presti to come to Chicago. He would right this ship and turn us into an instant contender in 2-3 years instead of being stuck in no man land under GarPax at this point.

TheStig · Post #13 » by **TheStig** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:29 pm

jake_swivel wrote:
TheStig wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
Can’t see the upside of a bigger market if it doesn’t attract top tier free agents or have a front office that is more willing than normal to go into the luxury tax. Neither of which seem to be in Chicago’s favor.

OKC fans are weirdly pissed with him, though. As an Oklahoman, I think most of the upset fans are newish NBA fans who don’t understand much beyond what happens on the court. And not even that a lot of times. They’re spoiled OU football fans who think they should be elite every year.

I think Chicago would attract more top tier talent if they had a excellent FO and got good young talent.

I'm not sure Presti is that guy though. He's done some good stuff and made some bad moves.

They were well regarded in the mid 2000s and still ended up with Booz and Ben Wallace.

Meh, if Pat Riley were here, you'd have had the big 3 here. Better team, Wade's home and bigger market. But when you have a great exec, he helps you pick the Heat over the Bulls or the Clips over the Lakers.

inescape · Post #14 » by **inescape** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:34 pm

I can’t think of a better GM job in the league than the Bulls. It’s almost impossible to get fired you have ultimate job security. It’s like coaching the Steelers. As much as it is true that the Bulls act like a small market team the fact is the position would be highly sought after if it became available. The problem is Jerry would never conduct a real search, he always hires who he knows. Can’t have strong personalities in that building.

d boy gentleman · Post #15 » by **d boy gentleman** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:51 pm

Because he traded for picks that will be late 1st rounders? People said the same thing about Ainge who sat on those picks and really got nothing of value for those picks because he refused to part with them. Now, if those picks are parlayed into players, then it's a smart move

sco · Post #16 » by **sco** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:52 pm

Can he play back-up SF?

Scalaboner · Post #17 » by **Scalaboner** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:57 pm

Sam Presti drafts well and takes chances on trades, but he is also the guy who had Harden, Russ, and KD and only got one finals appearance out of that group and traded away Harden. I really wanted David Griffin for similar reasons why one would want Presti, but I think Presti might be a tad overrated. Though Gar sucks so I’d pretty much take anyone over him.

transplant · Post #18 » by **transplant** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:37 am

If a Bulls GM had once had Durant, Westbrook, Harden and George and now had none of them and hadn't won a title...

Axl Rose · Post #19 » by **Axl Rose** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:51 am

Presti had a ton of luck with those picks. He'll never come close to striking on that much talent again (Which he only has a sole finals appearance to show for). The Perkins and Harden trades sucked. He rescinded a trade where he got Tyson Chandler for practically free over a toe injury :lol:

I have to think with Tyson they would have won a championship if he was engaged like he was in Dallas.

MeloRoseNoah · Post #20 » by **MeloRoseNoah** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:17 am

transplant wrote:If a Bulls GM had once had Durant, Westbrook, Harden and George and now had none of them and hadn't won a title...

To his credit, he acquired all of those players himself with the cupboard being barren just like the Pre-Pace era.

Now, he’s putting the team on a fantastic rebuilding process for the next 2-3 years with 11-13 first rounders to reload for cheap.

If he lucks into a superstar or two in the next 2-3 draft, he would have cap space for 2-3 max cats in addition to the cheap young talent.

That’s the type of vision you want from your GM.