How Many Wins this Year?

[Jimako10]

MIL 58-14
PHI 51-31
BOS 50-32
MIA 48-34
IND 46-36
BKN 45-37
TOR 44-38
ATL 42-40
CHI 41-41
ORL 40-42

[johnnyvann840]

Vegas sets Bulls over/under at 30.5 wins. No, it is not "free money" any more than last season 27.5 was "free money". It's probably a pretty good number to start with for this team. I had them a little higher at 32.

Opening NBA season-win totals

Odds courtesy of Caesars Sportsbook

Atlanta Hawks 36
Boston Celtics 49½
Brooklyn Nets 47
Charlotte Hornets 24
Chicago Bulls 30½
Cleveland Cavaliers 24
Dallas Mavericks 41
Denver Nuggets 52
Detroit Pistons 37½
Golden State Warriors 47
Houston Rockets 52
Indiana Pacers 48½
LA Clippers 55½
Los Angeles Lakers 51½
Memphis Grizzlies 25½
Miami Heat 43½
Milwaukee Bucks 57
Minnesota Timberwolves 35
New Orleans Pelicans 39
New York Knicks 27
Oklahoma City Thunder 28
Orlando Magic 40½
Philadelphia 76ers 54½
Phoenix Suns 27
Portland Trail Blazers 47½
Sacramento Kings 37
San Antonio Spurs 43½
Toronto Raptors 45
Utah Jazz 52½
Washington Wizards 28½

[SHO'NUFF]

I say 41 wins. Right at .500


Last season:

Markkanen missed 30 games

Lavine missed 19 games

WLC missed 38 games

Valentine missed 82 games

OPJ only played 15 games


New Additions:

Coby White

Daniel Gafford

Thaddeus Young

Tomas Satoransky

Luke Kornet


This upcoming season is a completely different team.

[Chi town]

I think IND BKN and the Heat will underperform and suffer from injuries and no depth.

Dipo will only play half season and won’t be full strength.

Kyrie always gets injured. No KD.

MIA is razor thin w depth and Jimmy always misses 15-20 games.

[TheWhiteMamba]

My prediction is 40 wins, 9th seed no playoffs

[coldfish]

Vegas sets Bulls over/under at 30.5 wins. No, it is not "free money" any more than last season 27.5 was "free money". It's probably a pretty good number to start with for this team. I had them a little higher at 32.

Opening NBA season-win totals

Odds courtesy of Caesars Sportsbook

Atlanta Hawks 36
Boston Celtics 49½
Brooklyn Nets 47
Charlotte Hornets 24
Chicago Bulls 30½
Cleveland Cavaliers 24
Dallas Mavericks 41
Denver Nuggets 52
Detroit Pistons 37½
Golden State Warriors 47
Houston Rockets 52
Indiana Pacers 48½
LA Clippers 55½
Los Angeles Lakers 51½
Memphis Grizzlies 25½
Miami Heat 43½
Milwaukee Bucks 57
Minnesota Timberwolves 35
New Orleans Pelicans 39
New York Knicks 27
Oklahoma City Thunder 28
Orlando Magic 40½
Philadelphia 76ers 54½
Phoenix Suns 27
Portland Trail Blazers 47½
Sacramento Kings 37
San Antonio Spurs 43½
Toronto Raptors 45
Utah Jazz 52½
Washington Wizards 28½

The big thing is injuries. A lot of this discussion is based on "if healthy". The Bulls have a lot of players who have a history of being not healthy. Its to the point where if everyone played, it would be incredibly lucky.

Once someone does go out, the deep bench doesn't look that great. An injury to Otto or Lavine in particular means that you got Blakeney, Valentine and Hutch playing big minutes and then things start going off the rails. Even the big man situation is tenuous where one injury puts Felicio squarely in the rotation and likely gives a starting role to Kornett, who is supposed to be a deep bench guy.

It is hilarious to look at last year and try to project what this years team will look like. Games missed last year for this year's 7 man rotation:
Zach 19
Lauri 30
Otto 67
Wendell 38
Thad, Coby and Sato: 82
Effectively, your 7 man rotation this year only played 174 games last year for Chicago with none of those games having more than 3 of those guys available.

Regardless, I tend to agree with the over/under of 30. A big fluke injury could see the wheels come off because you almost have to expect a bunch of small random injuries.

[johnnyvann840]

I think IND BKN and the Heat will underperform and suffer from injuries and no depth.

Dipo will only play half season and won’t be full strength.

Kyrie always gets injured. No KD.

MIA is razor thin w depth and Jimmy always misses 15-20 games.

I could see the Pacers in the ECF's, possibly even the Finals. I love the moves they've made and getting back a healthy Dipo along with Brogdon there now, is going to be interesting. I see them as a top team in the EC. Maybe as good as Milwaukee when fully healthy. They basically replaced Collison and Cory Joseph with Malcolm Brogdon and Jeremy Lamb. I like their big rotation with Sabonis, Leaf and Turner but they are thin at the 3/4 spots. Dougie is going to have to really step up this season for them.

Miami will be very good if Jimmy stays relatively healthy. I like their additions of Meyers Leonard, Herro and Kendrick Nunn could be a surprise rookie this season. I like what I have seen of him. I think Winslow is ready to break out too, he is coming off a solid season shooting the ball and he is a huge positive impact player.

Even without KD, the Nets should be solid. Irving is better than D Lo and they have Levert, Dinwiddie, Joe Harris, Kurucs, Jarrett Allen, Prince and Wilson Chandler. Deandre Jordan gives them solid rebounding and I like the Nwaba signing for them too.

Bulls, as a group, are a more injury prone team than any of those teams. This is what is so strange to me. Many Bulls fans want to cite "probable" injury and propensities for every other team, but refuse to see it happening here. When you handicap this team you have to take all these things into consideration. Of course injuries are going to happen to every team, but if you just averaged out missed players/games lost to injury, the Bulls are highly likely to see greater losses to injury than MIA, IND, or BKN. The guys who missed games last season are mostly guys who consistently miss games every season or are young guys, like Lauri who has started his career off missing 44 games in his first two seasons. Lavine has missed 122 games the last three seasons. The good part is that Young, Sato have all been really durable the last few seasons.

Also, you have to look at how the players who are likely to see the most minutes play with each other. Look at the additions and we have two rookies not likely to impact winning, a big who was 17th in minutes on the worst team in the NBA last season and is a career sub .380 shooter in FG% with a sub .530 TS% over two seasons.

Satoransky and Young are both nice pickups and should both probably be starting if winning games is the objective. Young has been a starter for the last 7 seasons and Satoransky is the best point guard on the roster. If you start Young, though, then you have to move Wendell to a bench role. I would do this, however, and just roll with a 3 big rotation splitting the 96 minutes at the 4/5 as evenly as possible between Thad, Lauri and Wendell.

Vegas sets Bulls over/under at 30.5 wins. No, it is not "free money" any more than last season 27.5 was "free money". It's probably a pretty good number to start with for this team. I had them a little higher at 32.

Opening NBA season-win totals

Odds courtesy of Caesars Sportsbook

Atlanta Hawks 36
Boston Celtics 49½
Brooklyn Nets 47
Charlotte Hornets 24
Chicago Bulls 30½
Cleveland Cavaliers 24
Dallas Mavericks 41
Denver Nuggets 52
Detroit Pistons 37½
Golden State Warriors 47
Houston Rockets 52
Indiana Pacers 48½
LA Clippers 55½
Los Angeles Lakers 51½
Memphis Grizzlies 25½
Miami Heat 43½
Milwaukee Bucks 57
Minnesota Timberwolves 35
New Orleans Pelicans 39
New York Knicks 27
Oklahoma City Thunder 28
Orlando Magic 40½
Philadelphia 76ers 54½
Phoenix Suns 27
Portland Trail Blazers 47½
Sacramento Kings 37
San Antonio Spurs 43½
Toronto Raptors 45
Utah Jazz 52½
Washington Wizards 28½

The big thing is injuries. A lot of this discussion is based on "if healthy". The Bulls have a lot of players who have a history of being not healthy. Its to the point where if everyone played, it would be incredibly lucky.

Once someone does go out, the deep bench doesn't look that great. An injury to Otto or Lavine in particular means that you got Blakeney, Valentine and Hutch playing big minutes and then things start going off the rails. Even the big man situation is tenuous where one injury puts Felicio squarely in the rotation and likely gives a starting role to Kornett, who is supposed to be a deep bench guy.

It is hilarious to look at last year and try to project what this years team will look like. Games missed last year for this year's 7 man rotation:
Zach 19
Lauri 30
Otto 67
Wendell 38
Thad, Coby and Sato: 82
Effectively, your 7 man rotation this year only played 174 games last year for Chicago with none of those games having more than 3 of those guys available.

Regardless, I tend to agree with the over/under of 30. A big fluke injury could see the wheels come off because you almost have to expect a bunch of small random injuries.

All true. The handicappers who are paid very well to protect the interests of the largest sports books in the World take injuries, probabilities and propensities, heavily into consideration.

[Ben]

Vegas sets Bulls over/under at 30.5 wins. No, it is not "free money" any more than last season 27.5 was "free money". It's probably a pretty good number to start with for this team. I had them a little higher at 32.

The big thing is injuries. A lot of this discussion is based on "if healthy". The Bulls have a lot of players who have a history of being not healthy. Its to the point where if everyone played, it would be incredibly lucky.

Once someone does go out, the deep bench doesn't look that great. An injury to Otto or Lavine in particular means that you got Blakeney, Valentine and Hutch playing big minutes and then things start going off the rails. Even the big man situation is tenuous where one injury puts Felicio squarely in the rotation and likely gives a starting role to Kornett, who is supposed to be a deep bench guy.

It is hilarious to look at last year and try to project what this years team will look like. Games missed last year for this year's 7 man rotation:
Zach 19
Lauri 30
Otto 67
Wendell 38
Thad, Coby and Sato: 82
Effectively, your 7 man rotation this year only played 174 games last year for Chicago with none of those games having more than 3 of those guys available.

Regardless, I tend to agree with the over/under of 30. A big fluke injury could see the wheels come off because you almost have to expect a bunch of small random injuries.

All true. The handicappers who are paid very well to protect the interests of the largest sports books in the World take injuries, probabilities and propensities, heavily into consideration.

Yes, and the handicappers have the top # of wins at 57.5 and only two other teams at 54 or higher. That could happen, of course, but it doesn't comport with the past couple of seasons. They seem to be taking big injuries into account for every team, but not every team will have them.

Since none of us possibly can forecast whether a big injury or injuries will happen there should probably be two polls: one for Bulls expectations with reasonable health, the other without.
I'm in the 40-44 win category with health, and low 30s without.

As others have said, additions of Thad and Sato (especially Sato) are very meaningful, as well as a full season of OPJ. Sato/ Zach/ Otto, with Lauri, Thad, and Carter, rotating in the frontcourt, should be a very competitive squad. The depth is poor and the team thus far has played poor defense, so the upside (to me) seems limited. But if the goal is to look good while trying to convince a big FA to sign in a year or two, they could certainly do that.

(FWIW, the list of available free agents in those years seems very slim, with the big hopes -- I suppose-- being that AD leaves LA and wants to come home, or that Kawhi or Paul George want to leave LAC and come here. Some other guys will probably emerge as stars during that time. But at any rate, I wouldn't put any great stock in the major free agent route.)

[coldfish]

The big thing is injuries. A lot of this discussion is based on "if healthy". The Bulls have a lot of players who have a history of being not healthy. Its to the point where if everyone played, it would be incredibly lucky.

Once someone does go out, the deep bench doesn't look that great. An injury to Otto or Lavine in particular means that you got Blakeney, Valentine and Hutch playing big minutes and then things start going off the rails. Even the big man situation is tenuous where one injury puts Felicio squarely in the rotation and likely gives a starting role to Kornett, who is supposed to be a deep bench guy.

It is hilarious to look at last year and try to project what this years team will look like. Games missed last year for this year's 7 man rotation:
Zach 19
Lauri 30
Otto 67
Wendell 38
Thad, Coby and Sato: 82
Effectively, your 7 man rotation this year only played 174 games last year for Chicago with none of those games having more than 3 of those guys available.

Regardless, I tend to agree with the over/under of 30. A big fluke injury could see the wheels come off because you almost have to expect a bunch of small random injuries.

All true. The handicappers who are paid very well to protect the interests of the largest sports books in the World take injuries, probabilities and propensities, heavily into consideration.

Yes, and the handicappers have the top # of wins at 57.5 and only two other teams at 54 or higher. That could happen, of course, but it doesn't comport with the past couple of seasons. They seem to be taking big injuries into account for every team, but not every team will have them.

Since none of us possibly can forecast whether a big injury or injuries will happen there should probably be two polls: one for Bulls expectations with reasonable health, the other without.
I'm in the 40-44 win category with health, and low 30s without.

As others have said, additions of Thad and Sato (especially Sato) are very meaningful, as well as a full season of OPJ. Sato/ Zach/ Otto, with Lauri, Thad, and Carter, rotating in the frontcourt, should be a very competitive squad. The depth is poor and the team thus far has played poor defense, so the upside (to me) seems limited. But if the goal is to look good while trying to convince a big FA to sign in a year or two, they could certainly do that.

(FWIW, the list of available free agents in those years seems very slim, with the big hopes -- I suppose-- being that AD leaves LA and wants to come home, or that Kawhi or Paul George want to leave LAC and come here. Some other guys will probably emerge as stars during that time. But at any rate, I wouldn't put any great stock in the major free agent route.)

Good posts overall.

One thing that struck me regarding the handicappers is that it is not their job to pick the win total. Obviously, no one is winning 0.5 games. Its their job to pick a number that would get bettors to evenly split between the over and the under.

Its then the bettors' job to figure out which is the correct side. I can see a lot of people taking the under on 30 games given Chicago's performance last year and their injury history, coaching questions, youth, etc. I can see a lot of ways this goes south for Chicago.

With that said, I still stick by my 45 win projection. Its to the point where I'm thinking about betting on the over and I NEVER gamble.

Edit, stupid gambling question:
https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nba-team-wins

That lists Chicago as 30.5, -125 on the over and +105 on the under. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that effectively means that bookies are giving lower payouts on the over than the under such that the even over/under win total is higher than 30.5.

For example, the Grizzlies are an even -110 on the over or under of 27.5 wins which indicate that betters are thinking 27.5 is a good number.

[johnnyvann840]

The big thing is injuries. A lot of this discussion is based on "if healthy". The Bulls have a lot of players who have a history of being not healthy. Its to the point where if everyone played, it would be incredibly lucky.

Once someone does go out, the deep bench doesn't look that great. An injury to Otto or Lavine in particular means that you got Blakeney, Valentine and Hutch playing big minutes and then things start going off the rails. Even the big man situation is tenuous where one injury puts Felicio squarely in the rotation and likely gives a starting role to Kornett, who is supposed to be a deep bench guy.

It is hilarious to look at last year and try to project what this years team will look like. Games missed last year for this year's 7 man rotation:
Zach 19
Lauri 30
Otto 67
Wendell 38
Thad, Coby and Sato: 82
Effectively, your 7 man rotation this year only played 174 games last year for Chicago with none of those games having more than 3 of those guys available.

Regardless, I tend to agree with the over/under of 30. A big fluke injury could see the wheels come off because you almost have to expect a bunch of small random injuries.

All true. The handicappers who are paid very well to protect the interests of the largest sports books in the World take injuries, probabilities and propensities, heavily into consideration.

Yes, and the handicappers have the top # of wins at 57.5 and only two other teams at 54 or higher. That could happen, of course, but it doesn't comport with the past couple of seasons. They seem to be taking big injuries into account for every team, but not every team will have them.

Since none of us possibly can forecast whether a big injury or injuries will happen there should probably be two polls: one for Bulls expectations with reasonable health, the other without.
I'm in the 40-44 win category with health, and low 30s without.

As others have said, additions of Thad and Sato (especially Sato) are very meaningful, as well as a full season of OPJ. Sato/ Zach/ Otto, with Lauri, Thad, and Carter, rotating in the frontcourt, should be a very competitive squad. The depth is poor and the team thus far has played poor defense, so the upside (to me) seems limited. But if the goal is to look good while trying to convince a big FA to sign in a year or two, they could certainly do that.

(FWIW, the list of available free agents in those years seems very slim, with the big hopes -- I suppose-- being that AD leaves LA and wants to come home, or that Kawhi or Paul George want to leave LAC and come here. Some other guys will probably emerge as stars during that time. But at any rate, I wouldn't put any great stock in the major free agent route.)

Good points. I would agree that if the team stays relatively healthy they should win over 35 games. Every team is going to have injuries, you just hope they are to the players who either play where we are deep, or that they are to players who don't really help you win games. I could see a situation where the Bulls wind up with any injury that might even increase the win total. If Boylen was serious about having his "starting five guys set" then an injury that keeps Dunn out for a significant time, would actually, probably be good for the team in regards to win total. It's pretty clear that Zach and/or Lauri don't benefit from playing with him and that a Dunn/Lavine back court is a recipe for failure.

[transplant]

Yeah, Vegas has the Bulls at 30.5. If I were a betting man, I’d take the over and feel pretty good about it. This said, before virtually every game, you’d say that the Bulls don’t have the best player in the game. What I think will happen a decent # of times though is that after the game, you’ll say that the Bulls had the best performer that game. This is because the Bulls have several players capable of exceptional performances.

Put me down for 35.


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[HoopsterJones]

35-47. Make a step forward in the right direction hopefully. Lauri needs to make a big leap for this team to become a top 4 team in the east.

[bigworld2017]

42-40, 7th seed. If our core can stay healthy. Lavine in particular. He's on a trajectory that is going to require teams to double team him at times, which will open up scoring opportunities for the other 4 guys on the floor with him. I just hope the new coaching staff can school him sufficiently to recognize the double teams when they come and get him to make the right pass. We will have several potentially adequate shooters on the floor with him. He's got to find them and they have to convert. He will have tons of opportunities to drive and dish back to the arc. I'm especially intrigued to see how he pairs up with Satoransky, who can shoot and who is also tall enough to see the floor.

[Jimako10]

All true. The handicappers who are paid very well to protect the interests of the largest sports books in the World take injuries, probabilities and propensities, heavily into consideration.

Yes, and the handicappers have the top # of wins at 57.5 and only two other teams at 54 or higher. That could happen, of course, but it doesn't comport with the past couple of seasons. They seem to be taking big injuries into account for every team, but not every team will have them.

Since none of us possibly can forecast whether a big injury or injuries will happen there should probably be two polls: one for Bulls expectations with reasonable health, the other without.
I'm in the 40-44 win category with health, and low 30s without.

As others have said, additions of Thad and Sato (especially Sato) are very meaningful, as well as a full season of OPJ. Sato/ Zach/ Otto, with Lauri, Thad, and Carter, rotating in the frontcourt, should be a very competitive squad. The depth is poor and the team thus far has played poor defense, so the upside (to me) seems limited. But if the goal is to look good while trying to convince a big FA to sign in a year or two, they could certainly do that.

(FWIW, the list of available free agents in those years seems very slim, with the big hopes -- I suppose-- being that AD leaves LA and wants to come home, or that Kawhi or Paul George want to leave LAC and come here. Some other guys will probably emerge as stars during that time. But at any rate, I wouldn't put any great stock in the major free agent route.)

Good posts overall.

One thing that struck me regarding the handicappers is that it is not their job to pick the win total. Obviously, no one is winning 0.5 games. Its their job to pick a number that would get bettors to evenly split between the over and the under.

Its then the bettors' job to figure out which is the correct side. I can see a lot of people taking the under on 30 games given Chicago's performance last year and their injury history, coaching questions, youth, etc. I can see a lot of ways this goes south for Chicago.

With that said, I still stick by my 45 win projection. Its to the point where I'm thinking about betting on the over and I NEVER gamble.

Edit, stupid gambling question:
https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nba-team-wins

That lists Chicago as 30.5, -125 on the over and +105 on the under. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that effectively means that bookies are giving lower payouts on the over than the under such that the even over/under win total is higher than 30.5.

For example, the Grizzlies are an even -110 on the over or under of 27.5 wins which indicate that betters are thinking 27.5 is a good number.

So basically you have to risk 125 dollars in order to win 100 if you bet the over. If you bet the under, then you risk 100 dollars to win 105. So in that sense, the over is being favored right now, but the win totals can change if there's big money coming in on the over.

[Chi town]

I see the Bulls having a healthy year as the law of averages evens out.

As Duck has said 40-44. If healthy I see 42-46. 6-8 Seed.

Would love a dog fight first round series.

[johnnyvann840]

Yes, and the handicappers have the top # of wins at 57.5 and only two other teams at 54 or higher. That could happen, of course, but it doesn't comport with the past couple of seasons. They seem to be taking big injuries into account for every team, but not every team will have them.

Since none of us possibly can forecast whether a big injury or injuries will happen there should probably be two polls: one for Bulls expectations with reasonable health, the other without.
I'm in the 40-44 win category with health, and low 30s without.

As others have said, additions of Thad and Sato (especially Sato) are very meaningful, as well as a full season of OPJ. Sato/ Zach/ Otto, with Lauri, Thad, and Carter, rotating in the frontcourt, should be a very competitive squad. The depth is poor and the team thus far has played poor defense, so the upside (to me) seems limited. But if the goal is to look good while trying to convince a big FA to sign in a year or two, they could certainly do that.

(FWIW, the list of available free agents in those years seems very slim, with the big hopes -- I suppose-- being that AD leaves LA and wants to come home, or that Kawhi or Paul George want to leave LAC and come here. Some other guys will probably emerge as stars during that time. But at any rate, I wouldn't put any great stock in the major free agent route.)

Good posts overall.

One thing that struck me regarding the handicappers is that it is not their job to pick the win total. Obviously, no one is winning 0.5 games. Its their job to pick a number that would get bettors to evenly split between the over and the under.

Its then the bettors' job to figure out which is the correct side. I can see a lot of people taking the under on 30 games given Chicago's performance last year and their injury history, coaching questions, youth, etc. I can see a lot of ways this goes south for Chicago.

With that said, I still stick by my 45 win projection. Its to the point where I'm thinking about betting on the over and I NEVER gamble.

Edit, stupid gambling question:
https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nba-team-wins

That lists Chicago as 30.5, -125 on the over and +105 on the under. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that effectively means that bookies are giving lower payouts on the over than the under such that the even over/under win total is higher than 30.5.

For example, the Grizzlies are an even -110 on the over or under of 27.5 wins which indicate that betters are thinking 27.5 is a good number.

So basically you have to risk 125 dollars in order to win 100 if you bet the over. If you bet the under, then you risk 100 dollars to win 105. So in that sense, the over is being favored right now, but the win totals can change if there's big money coming in on the over.

Correct. Tells us most of the action is coming in on the over. The total will eventually move up if that continues, but it is just the opening line for the book to get a feel for where the action will go based on that number. Must be overwhelmingly on the side of the over early on. If I had to bet right now, I would bet the over, for sure. The Bulls would just have to win 31 games or more. A lot would have to go wrong for them to miss that mark, IMO.

[transplant]

I'm down for 35 wins. Many are at 40+. I really like this roster and think the high end wins might be possible if the team is exceptionally well led. While it's a players league, I don't see anyone on this roster who will lead the team. This leaves it to the head coach.

I have no confidence in Boylen. While I've often been labeled as a management apologist, I've been openly negative on two management decisions...Vinny Del Negro and Jim Boylen. Ironically, I'm also on record as not believing that coaches are that important, but when head coaching decisions are really questionable, I have to throw the flag.

I hope Boylen works out, but I don't believe that he will. I think that the real Jim Boylen revealed himself when he first took over. He then got "coached up" to be more acceptable. The problem is that, under pressure, you revert to who you are. Who Jim Boylen really is worries me.

[Chi town]

I'm down for 35 wins. Many are at 40+. I really like this roster and think the high end wins might be possible if the team is exceptionally well led. While it's a players league, I don't see anyone on this roster who will lead the team. This leaves it to the head coach.

I have no confidence in Boylen. While I've often been labeled as a management apologist, I've been openly negative on two management decisions...Vinny Del Negro and Jim Boylen. Ironically, I'm also on record as not believing that coaches are that important, but when head coaching decisions are really questionable, I have to throw the flag.

I hope Boylen works out, but I don't believe that he will. I think that the real Jim Boylen revealed himself when he first took over. He then got "coached up" to be more acceptable. The problem is that, under pressure, you revert to who you are. Who Jim Boylen really is worries me.

His early days were scripted to shade Fred and buy himself time.

I think Boylen will be average. His in game will improve w his new staff. It will all be about player development.

[keloms]

25-28

Injuries will continue to take their toll and it'll force management to take another "realistic look" at the remainder of the season and summer (if Porter is opting out, he's gone) near the deadline and them entertaining offers on anything they can sell off without taking much back for 2021.