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Re: Lauri Markkanen will win an MVP during his career 

Post#21 » by Showtime23 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:11 pm

CBS7 wrote:While chances are obviously slim to none that this actually happens, a couple of not so huge stretches happening this season could make it seem not so cra?Imagine he puts up 24/11 this season (not that big a stretch, he put up 21/10 per 36 last season and 25/12 for over a month) and the Bulls win 50 ish games (a bigger stretch, but lots of people are predicting they'll be around .500, Lauri making a big 3rd year leap could push them near 50 wins), he could end up top 5 in voting.


how is 24/11 this season becomes top 5 in MVP voting?
I think Bulls have to make top 3 East for Lauri to make a case for MVP or Lauri puts up Westbrook stats with crazy efficiency just over 20 shots.
I do think there will be multiple times where Lauri becomes the leading scorer and leads his team to top 5 but even so, MVP candidate is wishful thinking considering defense is half the game. Probably, he just peaks just slightly below from MVP candidate level for 5 yrs and retires like Butler level. Just shows how hard it is to find someone like Derrick who could play both sides at an elite level.
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Post#22 » by weneeda2guard » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:24 pm

Can the guy just play 77 games for a season avg 20 and 10 and get us to a playoff 1st before we go here?

Lauri is starting to get a overhype to him. He has literally done nothing and for some he is already on the untouchable list and now we predicting mvps for him? Cmon son
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Post#23 » by dice » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:12 pm

so when will the lauri for HOF campaign get started?
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Post#24 » by PaKii94 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:16 pm

dice wrote:so when will the lauri for HOF campaign get started?


It's already started by me :wink:
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Post#25 » by ImSlower » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:23 pm

Absolutely no chance.
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Post#26 » by chefo » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:31 pm

This is very unlikely from a very stylistic point of view--you look at MVP players over the last 15 years (ever since they changed the rules on perimeter D), and the last one that was not either the primary or 1a ball-handler to win it was Dirk in 2006/7.

LBJ, Kobe, Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Greek Freak, DRose, even Durant... played a ton with the ball in their hands, and I mean a ton. Here's the thing with Lauri--we've seen him featured as the primary option on O, both his rookie year and last year for stretches. Both times, he kicked major posterior.

But, it has never been consistent, partially due to the lack of discipline and IQ on O by the entire squad (trying to post him up versus smalls vs. just high/low pass when he jams his elbow in their back for example), partly because Lauri does not have the big butt to play inside on a recurring basis and punish teams for cheating, without having the scheme in place to exploit these mismatches.

But here's a thing I also noticed--when you give him the ball in his spots (elbows, wing 3s), there's been nobody who can stop what he wants to do (drive, short pull-up, contested or open 3, etc.). He can almost always get a modestly clean look, just like Dirk used to do back in his prime. However, to do that reccurringly and successfully for a game, let alone a season, it takes a ton of discipline and IQ on the entire team's part and the Bulls were easily one of the dumbest squads in terms of bball IQ in the entire league last year, and probably the year before. It almost takes dedication to a system like you had in the early 90s to constantly exploit matchups.

How many times have we seen Lauri score 2-3 buckets easily and then not touch the ball for a quarter and a half? No matter who it is, that player has almost zero odds of winning an MVP. I think Lauri, if everything breaks right and he develops his skills, can easily peak at something like 26/7 and 11, if he is either the focal or one of the focal points on O. But again, for a big that needs to get fed all the time, that's not a function of him alone, but more of how the team plays. He's given us a glimpse of MVP-like talent, but it's been short and therefore easy to discount.

That's why I am so thrilled about Sato--that's a smart guy with legit NBA talent that knows that the alphas need to get fed regularly--I'm praying that the dribble fests from our PGs of the last two years are finally behind us.
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Post#27 » by The Senator » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:53 pm

Honestly, I don't see the Bulls having a MVP candidate on their roster for a long, long time to come. There's absolutely nobody on the current roster who will ever come close, and the team will not be in position to draft or sign one, period. We'll have to hope for a 2004 Pistons style run, which isn't impossible, but it's also improbable. Now, Lauri as a multi-time All Star, that's something I can hope for, and perhaps even expect. But there's a big bridge to cross between him being an effective, efficient scorer who shows some leadership and lifts the team, and a dominant, consistent presence on the court who carries the Bulls into the playoffs on his shoulders.
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Post#28 » by HoopsterJones » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:02 pm

Lauri would have to produce Dirk-like numbers AND the Bulls to be a legit contender. I would bet No on this one.
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Post#29 » by _txchilibowl_ » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:17 pm

Who knew Biff Tannen roamed these boards?

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Post#30 » by BullsRBest » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:28 pm

weneeda2guard wrote:Can the guy just play 77 games for a season avg 20 and 10 and get us to a playoff 1st before we go here?

Lauri is starting to get a overhype to him. He has literally done nothing and for some he is already on the untouchable list and now we predicting mvps for him? Cmon son


Very true we need to see this season so see if LM's body can hold up, he had major fatigue & back issues flare up the past 2 years; he also missed 21 games at the start of the season from hurting his elbow in training camp.
LM isn't just a good 3 point shooter and isn't just a skinny 7 footer, but I know after the Niko stretch 4 Bulls fame flame out "Toni K Euro reference/hope"...we are all very hopefully to have a MVP/All-Star in the making which we can also in the near future apply to LaVine & Carter...
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Post#31 » by sco » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:50 pm

The only chance I could imagine for this would be if he made huge strides in his playmaking skills such that he became the defacto point guard in the future. While possible, it's unlikely - despite the fact that he is a good ball handler today.
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Post#32 » by PaKii94 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:01 pm

chefo wrote:This is very unlikely from a very stylistic point of view--you look at MVP players over the last 15 years (ever since they changed the rules on perimeter D), and the last one that was not either the primary or 1a ball-handler to win it was Dirk in 2006/7.

LBJ, Kobe, Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Greek Freak, DRose, even Durant... played a ton with the ball in their hands, and I mean a ton. Here's the thing with Lauri--we've seen him featured as the primary option on O, both his rookie year and last year for stretches. Both times, he kicked major posterior.

But, it has never been consistent, partially due to the lack of discipline and IQ on O by the entire squad (trying to post him up versus smalls vs. just high/low pass when he jams his elbow in their back for example), partly because Lauri does not have the big butt to play inside on a recurring basis and punish teams for cheating, without having the scheme in place to exploit these mismatches.

But here's a thing I also noticed--when you give him the ball in his spots (elbows, wing 3s), there's been nobody who can stop what he wants to do (drive, short pull-up, contested or open 3, etc.). He can almost always get a modestly clean look, just like Dirk used to do back in his prime. However, to do that reccurringly and successfully for a game, let alone a season, it takes a ton of discipline and IQ on the entire team's part and the Bulls were easily one of the dumbest squads in terms of bball IQ in the entire league last year, and probably the year before. It almost takes dedication to a system like you had in the early 90s to constantly exploit matchups.

How many times have we seen Lauri score 2-3 buckets easily and then not touch the ball for a quarter and a half? No matter who it is, that player has almost zero odds of winning an MVP. I think Lauri, if everything breaks right and he develops his skills, can easily peak at something like 26/7 and 11, if he is either the focal or one of the focal points on O. But again, for a big that needs to get fed all the time, that's not a function of him alone, but more of how the team plays. He's given us a glimpse of MVP-like talent, but it's been short and therefore easy to discount.

That's why I am so thrilled about Sato--that's a smart guy with legit NBA talent that knows that the alphas need to get fed regularly--I'm praying that the dribble fests from our PGs of the last two years are finally behind us.


Good note. I think it definitely is two pronged. One major one is the one you mentioned. The team has to be on the same page in getting Lauri the ball. We didn't have this at all this past two years, the few times he did (as you said) Lauri excelled. In the past two years we had Dunn, Payne, Grant, Lavine (he's got better second half last year but before that he was a big culprit too), and then Parker & Portis in his position. Consistency can't come if he doesn't consistently get the ball.

That's why I think Sato will be HUGE for Lauri (and why opj was). Both of those players know their roles and have good IQ to keep the ball moving and feeding the stars. I have no doubt they will be more consistent in feeding Lauri the ball.

The second one is Lauri has to be motivated to be that person. Rookie year he was getting his feet wet. Last year he was cautious recovering from the elbow injury and it was a down year (No reason to put in 100% effort). This year I think will tell us a lot about what kind of player he is and what kind of player he can become. If he doesn't excel this year, something is wrong.
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Post#33 » by GhostOfChicago » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:54 pm

I mean anything is possible. I didn't expect the likes of Steph Curry or Harden being superstars/MVP's.

I'll let Lauri prove himself worthy of being an All Star before the MVP talk.
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Post#34 » by Hangtime84 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:01 pm

Only way he wins it is become white version of Durant.

More consistent long range shooter, extremely improved ball handler, and extremely improved 1 on 1 moves.
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Post#35 » by Showtime23 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:07 pm

chefo wrote:This is very unlikely from a very stylistic point of view--you look at MVP players over the last 15 years (ever since they changed the rules on perimeter D), and the last one that was not either the primary or 1a ball-handler to win it was Dirk in 2006/7.

LBJ, Kobe, Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Greek Freak, DRose, even Durant... played a ton with the ball in their hands, and I mean a ton. Here's the thing with Lauri--we've seen him featured as the primary option on O, both his rookie year and last year for stretches. Both times, he kicked major posterior.

But, it has never been consistent, partially due to the lack of discipline and IQ on O by the entire squad (trying to post him up versus smalls vs. just high/low pass when he jams his elbow in their back for example), partly because Lauri does not have the big butt to play inside on a recurring basis and punish teams for cheating, without having the scheme in place to exploit these mismatches.

But here's a thing I also noticed--when you give him the ball in his spots (elbows, wing 3s), there's been nobody who can stop what he wants to do (drive, short pull-up, contested or open 3, etc.). He can almost always get a modestly clean look, just like Dirk used to do back in his prime. However, to do that reccurringly and successfully for a game, let alone a season, it takes a ton of discipline and IQ on the entire team's part and the Bulls were easily one of the dumbest squads in terms of bball IQ in the entire league last year, and probably the year before. It almost takes dedication to a system like you had in the early 90s to constantly exploit matchups.

How many times have we seen Lauri score 2-3 buckets easily and then not touch the ball for a quarter and a half? No matter who it is, that player has almost zero odds of winning an MVP. I think Lauri, if everything breaks right and he develops his skills, can easily peak at something like 26/7 and 11, if he is either the focal or one of the focal points on O. But again, for a big that needs to get fed all the time, that's not a function of him alone, but more of how the team plays. He's given us a glimpse of MVP-like talent, but it's been short and therefore easy to discount.

That's why I am so thrilled about Sato--that's a smart guy with legit NBA talent that knows that the alphas need to get fed regularly--I'm praying that the dribble fests from our PGs of the last two years are finally behind us.


Nice summary. This is where I am at and what management should think along the lines.
Lauri on one night looks like absolutely elite level player but he still cannot deliver consistently which a lot of stars tend to do such as Doncic. When he had his 25/10 stretches, I really thought he could surpass Dirk until the fatigue and Dirk is the only viable role model for him to win anything.
I dont doubt his offensive production just like Lavine but will his 25/10 make his team actually relevant?

Since he technically experienced only 1.5 yrs, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But if he doesnt deliver next yr, he is no different from Lavine. Just a offensive specialist (Booker) thats only good at producing raw stats.
This year he has so much help (Sato, Young) theres no more fatigue, freak injury excuses. I wonder why so many veterans join a bottom of the feeder lottery team but if they fail again, dont expect anyone like Pau Gasol will join.
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Post#36 » by khufure » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:22 pm

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Yes and I think he'll be the one to take it. Older players get superceded by the younger. Same way there was a GOAT before MJ took the throne and I'm sure there will eventually be another player to take it from him.

No chance in hell there will be better player than Jordan ever. I mean Lebron as good as he is, isn't good enough to lick him shoes.

EVER? :lol:

Yo, EVER is a very long time. Especially with 7+ billion people every half century. My guess is the NBA is likely to die as a sport in at most a couple hundred years. I think there will be someone at least as good as MJ before then.
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Post#37 » by TheFinishSniper » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:51 pm

khufure wrote:
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Yes and I think he'll be the one to take it. Older players get superceded by the younger. Same way there was a GOAT before MJ took the throne and I'm sure there will eventually be another player to take it from him.

No chance in hell there will be better player than Jordan ever. I mean Lebron as good as he is, isn't good enough to lick him shoes.

EVER? :lol:

Yo, EVER is a very long time. Especially with 7+ billion people every half century. My guess is the NBA is likely to die as a sport in at most a couple hundred years. I think there will be someone at least as good as MJ before then.

EVER

wanted to make a point because only player better than jordan is actually jordan with steph curry 3pt shooting ability
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TheFinishSniper wrote:
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TheFinishSniper wrote:No chance in hell there will be better player than Jordan ever. I mean Lebron as good as he is, isn't good enough to lick him shoes.

EVER? :lol:

Yo, EVER is a very long time. Especially with 7+ billion people every half century. My guess is the NBA is likely to die as a sport in at most a couple hundred years. I think there will be someone at least as good as MJ before then.

EVER

wanted to make a point because only player better than jordan is actually jordan with steph curry 3pt shooting ability


I mean you could then say Wilt or Russell are clearly superior forEVER due to their various accolades. They were the GOATs before Jordan. Before Lebron came along I am pretty sure Bird was considered the GOAT SF. It's not always about stats but impact.
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Post#39 » by GrowingHorns » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:12 pm

Not realistic at all. But what do I know, if he ends up having .45 season from 3pt line scoring closer to 30/10 than 20/10 and at the same time been taking leaps in defensive skills. But yeah, unlikely. Top 10-20 peak level is great as itself if he gets there.
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Re: Lauri Markkanen will win an MVP during his career 

Post#40 » by SHO'NUFF » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:15 am

No way!....multiple?...double no way!

John Collins (Hawks) might even end up being a better PF than him. Same age, similar stats.
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