Stratmaster wrote: johnnyvann840 wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:I wouldn't even try to venture a guess as we are likely not even aware of some of the worst things players have done. Besides, let those without sin, etc.
From a basketball behavior related standpoint, sadly i would have to list 3 former Bulls in the 1 through 4 positions. I would fill those with Isaiah Thomas, DRose and Jimmy Butler. Dennis Rodman would likely be a candidate at the 4.
But again, that isn't worst human beings. That is worst bball related behavior on and off the court.
How is Rose, Butler and Rodman even on a list when there are guys like Javaris Crittendon who killed somebody and was busted for dealing large amounts of cocaine and raped women?
I mean what on earth did Jimmy Butler ever do (at least that we know of) that was even in the same stratosphere? The whole D Rose "we men" thing was not his finest moment but the girl was also not the most believable. Nobody knows what happened there. Whether it was consensual or not, Rose was cleared of any wrongdoing in the matter-- https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2667510-derrick-rose-civil-trial-latest-details-comments-and-more
... Rodman might be a freak, but I don't think he's that terrible of a person. The worst thing he's done is petty theft of some weird stuff and being buddies with a cruel oppressive dictator. Jimmy might be an A hole but he's never done anything that remotely qualifies in comparison to Cousins or Crittendon or Isiah "Zeke" Thomas. Or James Dolan for that matter.
Basketball behavior related? WTF does that even have to do with "worst person". Jimmy was an arrogant prick of a teammate to some of his teammates whom he felt weren't putting in the effort. Crittendon was a trafficker of hard drugs and killed somebody. Cousins threatened the life of his childs mother. Zeke was a repeat sexual assault perp. Come on man. Rose and Butler? even Worm. No. Sorry. Those guys do not belong in the same sentence is those others.
You might try reading my post again FFS. You know where i said twice i wasn't even going to venture an opinion on non basketball things like, as you say, murder; and then explained why.
And i didn't mention them in the same sentence as anyone so IDK WTF you are talking about.
But hey. Here's to a new season with more of the usual!
Settle down there, Chachi. It's OK, really.
Still have a couple questions about your opinions on the matter. What things from a basketball behavior related standpoint did Butler, Isiah or Rodman do that was detrimental to their respective teams. We know Rose supposedly sat out after being cleared by doctors... Outside of calling out young teammates about not working hard enough or whatever his problem was. However, on the floor, the numbers speak for themselves. Butler has been one of the highest impact positive players in the NBA for the last several seasons. His teams, regardless of being the Bulls, the Wolves or the 76ers were all immensely better with Butler than without him. Huge swings in Jimmy's favor. So, it doesn't appear he had a negative effect on any of his teams. He's also made everybody around him much better as well.
Also, as much as I cannot stand Zeke as a person, I don't recall him ever hurting his teams. Leading the "no handshake deal" was lame but the series was over. Kissing Magic Johnson on the lips was a little weird but again... how did that hurt the Pistons? He was one hell of a player despite being a phony POS off the court.
Same question for Rodman. A freak on and off the court? sure. Basketball related behavior being a problem for his teams? I don't think so. At least not the Bulls and Pistons. All they did was win Championships with Rodman.