MrSparkle wrote:We’re so far into this “Fire GarPax” thing that it’s beyond stale, but again, for perspective, we lost 60 games last year.
If their big pickup was a 6th man, then that’s the same as their big FA pickups (Thad and Sato).
And frankly Zach and Lauri are fringe 6th man, atleast on an elite team they’d probably not be starting unless they were 3rd/4th options.
So are we a team of 6th men? I seriously need to see Coby run with starters. It’s going to be painful if he’s averaging 15 mpg and DNPs into January. Painful.
Just dump Dunn already.
This is my concern with the roster. I know we been tanking but seriously, is there a real star on this roster or is lavine just the tall guy playing pick up with the midgets? (No offense to any midgets)
When we traded butler the theory besides being stuck with a supermax on our cap is we didnt want to be just a mediocre team. We wanted to really compete for a title. At this point I'm not even sure we have a legit playoff team. Lavine and lauri will have to make major leaps to carry us to success. Can they do it? Remains to be seen.
I'm one that believes this needs a short leash meaning give them this season to see if they at least have what it takes to win 42 games. If we competing all year and we still win only 30-35 games I think we should immediately go back to searching for a new core even trading either lavine or lauri or maybe both to get a legit star on this roster. I dont want a repeat of the baby bulls era where we began becoming locked into our roster due to having to give deals to Chandler, deng Kirk Hinrich etc. Hindsight is 20/20 but if we moved on from deng earlier then we could have had a situation where rose and noah would have been here on rookie deals going into the summer of 2010 with enough room to sign wade lebron and Bosh and wade and lebron have both admitted chicago was their 1st choice but we didnt have the money to add bosh. Deng contract was the hindrance. Kirk was too but we had to part with the 17th pick to unload it. Kirk and deng was never good enough to lead us to a title. If we part with them early we have the space to sign that big 3 plus had Noah and rose. We would have had a dynasty
I dont want to go with this so long where we handing new deals to lavine and lauri even Carter Jr and they are just not good enough to lead us anywhere. For context sake , deng and kirk etc were at least good enough to get us into the playoffs. I def believe it should be a short leash for guys who can't even do that
I agree 100%.
There is a world of difference between a player like 15-17 Jimmy and the guys we have. He struggled to lead a crap team.... but he got the Bulls to the playoffs with a little bit of catch-up when he hyper extended his knee for a quarter of the season.
Lauri and Zach are talents but man — the absolute epitome of 1-way players. They set the bar so low for their positional defending that we will throw an Episode 6 cgi George Lucas remaster Return of the Jedi victory party if Zach ends with a 0.0 neutral defensive rating.
Then you have Wendell, an undersized (6’9) medium-athlete defensive center in a league where 7’+ athletic centers are trending.
Can I cry now? Can we also be serious GarPax? This core has 0.01% championship odds even against the 2025 Lakers where LeBron is 40 years old and playing with son.
To backtrack, I actually think Lauri is an interesting player to build around, but they’re doing it all wrong. He needs a freak big center (like an Embiid, Drummond, even a McGee or Jordan) so that there is a dominant twin tower edge. And more importantly, he needs a PG to pass him the ball in his hot spots. Rondo, Rubio were there — they won’t win you tons of games, but they would’ve at least assisted his development and numbers.
It’s just a hodgepodge roster. They keep kinda doing this ‘Collect good players’ thing while missing the mark on the types that a Popovich would get and develop. They really don’t consider the fit of players they commit to. It kind of works in NBA 2K, but not in real life.
Otto-Zach-Lauri sharing playmaking duties sounds like a fantasy. I’d like to see 2 of those 3 lead an elite defense. Mind you, SG and PF are the most important defensive positions in the league after SF. Again, you only bypass bad defense there with a superstar scorer/playmaker, like Harden.
The one hope I had is Coby starts at point and has a trajectory half similar to D. Fox. If he’s proving incapable of even beginning real-time development at the point, against the lowly competition we have, then this roster and season is a wash. No doubt in my mind Otto/Thad/Zach/Lauri can push this team above 38 wins, but it’s gonna be ugly offense with suspect defense, and the future is going to be real shady knowing that our older ‘B-tier’ vets were largely responsible. Otto is a highlight of this roster, but if he commands the max next summer?
Forget about it, the Bulls will be screwed - looking like a brutal dilemma. Overpay a fringe star or let go a big piece of the winning puzzle.